"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[jplaya2023]

Can someone tell me which post in here summarizes the chapter. I'm getting bits and pieces from everywhere but it's not making any sense to me.

[mute_proxy]

Can someone tell me which post in here summarizes the chapter. I'm getting bits and pieces from everywhere but it's not making any sense to me.

Go to Herms98 twitter, there are screenshots with short explanations there

[ekrolo2]

This pretty much confirms what I assumed, Toyotaro was going for Black intentionally getting beaten to power up but he did a really bad job of showing it happen. Vegeta very easily could've killed Black any number of times and it was a total fluke that Zamasu was gonna come in and save him. Not a very convincing way to portray a plan.

That being said, this has gone a long way in fixing the scaling. We know Goku and Vegeta in Base are still inferior to Piccolo so Black's much higher Base strength (higher than SS3 Goku/SS2 Trunks) + SS1/2s multiplier would let him overwhelm Vegeta.

[mute_proxy]

Am I the only one here who doesnt overcomplicate things (with power levels and weird theories) and reads it for the nice art and entertaining story?

[jplaya2023]

That being said, this has gone a long way in fixing the scaling. We know Goku and Vegeta in Base are still inferior to Piccolo .

what?

base vegeta in super 1 shotted ssj3 gotenks. piccolo is far under them in base

[emperior]

That being said, this has gone a long way in fixing the scaling. We know Goku and Vegeta in Base are still inferior to Piccolo .

what?

base vegeta in super 1 shotted ssj3 gotenks. piccolo is far under them in base

We know for certain Goku and Vegeta are superior in base because Base Goku and Freezer in his last form were roughly equal, while Piccolo couldn't do shit to 1st form Freezer. And Goku vs Freezer battle was in RoF, its promotional manga and in Super anime, it was definitely written by Toriyama.

[HeroR]

The main traits are there (being Zamasu, getting stronger through pain), but the traits I liked most about Black are gone or underdeveloped. His delicate, flamboyant fighting style and attitude replaced with a bruttish behavior in battle. His cool and collected composure as he looked for new ways to improve when outmatched replaced with a generic DB mental breakdown. His pretentious attitude being played straight instead of being ridiculed. His obsession over Goku and his weird respect towards him and the Saiyans is almost nonexistent.

Oh, I agree with this. I thought you meant something unique to this chapter.

[ekrolo2]

That being said, this has gone a long way in fixing the scaling. We know Goku and Vegeta in Base are still inferior to Piccolo .

what?

base vegeta in super 1 shotted ssj3 gotenks. piccolo is far under them in base

That doesn't happen in the manga, Vegeta has to use SS1 to "go easy" on a Frost who got his ass kicked by Goku then got worn down some more by Piccolo. They are definitely under him in Base in the manga continuity.

[HeroR]

easy, Bulma isn't with them in the manga.

She could be when the return to the future.

He is not saving time in this arc, he is really taking his time for all. He even made a cart race.

It is clear that he is saving time, otherwise Black's origins wouldn't have been one big info dump in one chapter along with Zamasu becoming obsessed over Goku because he saw some Godtube clips. I am not sure why the kart racing is the go to, 'he's taking his time' when it's clear story details got rushed.

[jplaya2023]

That being said, this has gone a long way in fixing the scaling. We know Goku and Vegeta in Base are still inferior to Piccolo .

what?

base vegeta in super 1 shotted ssj3 gotenks. piccolo is far under them in base

That doesn't happen in the manga, Vegeta has to use SS1 to "go easy" on a Frost who got his ass kicked by Goku then got worn down some more by Piccolo. They are definitely under him in Base in the manga continuity.

okay anime feat i get it. What about BASE goku being able to fight with hit and land a punch on him?

[ekrolo2]

okay anime feat i get it. What about BASE goku being able to fight with hit and land a punch on him?

Hit is holding back to not kill anyone when he beats up Blue Vegeta he even asks the referee "Uhm, what am I supposed to do now?".

As we know from the series proper, even opponents can equally hurt one another but Hit's time skip lets him avoid damage while giving manageable damage to his opponent without accidentally killing them.

[Basako]

It is clear that he is saving time, otherwise Black's origins wouldn't have been one big info dump in one chapter along with Zamasu becoming obsessed over Goku because he saw some Godtube clips. I am not sure why the kart racing is the go to, 'he's taking his time' when it's clear story details got rushed.

He is not, he is taking it slow. He could have ended by now if he wanted.

[HeroR]

It is clear that he is saving time, otherwise Black's origins wouldn't have been one big info dump in one chapter along with Zamasu becoming obsessed over Goku because he saw some Godtube clips. I am not sure why the kart racing is the go to, 'he's taking his time' when it's clear story details got rushed.

He is not, he is taking it slow. He could have ended by now if he wanted.

Again, it has been proven that the manga rushed things since Black's origins were reduced to one chapter of an info dump and Zamasu never even met Goku before becoming obsessed with him by watching Godtube. Just because the manga has a joke here and there or because it didn't stuffed everything into one mega chapter doesn't mean it isn't rush.

[Basako]

It is clear that he is saving time, otherwise Black's origins wouldn't have been one big info dump in one chapter along with Zamasu becoming obsessed over Goku because he saw some Godtube clips. I am not sure why the kart racing is the go to, 'he's taking his time' when it's clear story details got rushed.

He is not, he is taking it slow. He could have ended by now if he wanted.

Again, it has been proven that the manga rushed things since Black's origins were reduced to one chapter of an info dump and Zamasu never even met Goku before becoming obsessed with him by watching Godtube. Just because the manga has a joke here and there or because it didn't stuffed everything into one mega chapter doesn't mean it isn't rush.

Blacks origin was explained fine and complete and Zamasu didn't become obsessed, you are confusing with the anime. He was interested about Goku because he was told that he defeated Boo and anoyed that a mortal was so strong. Then he decided the take his body to use it for his purposes.

The manga has used a lot of chapters to explain all fine, all about Zamasu, Babari, Trunks. There is nothing missing, it's not rushed. Previous arcs were, this is not at all. Even if the identity is revealed in one chapter, the same goes for the anime, the character has had much more building before. Is not everything stuffed, like you say.

There is nothing rushed in this arc of the manga. The story is being told slow and fine.

[HeroR]

Blacks origin was explained fine and complete and Zamasu didn't become obsessed, you are confusing with the anime. He was interested about Goku because he was told that he defeated Boo and anoyed that a mortal was so strong. Then he decided the take his body to use it for his purposes.

The manga has used a lot of chapters to explain all fine, all about Zamasu, Babari, Trunks. There is nothing missing, it's not rushed. Previous arcs were, this is not at all. Even if the identity is revealed in one chapter, the same goes for the anime, the character has had much more building before. Is not everything stuffed, like you say.

There is nothing rushed in this arc of the manga. The story is being told slow and fine.

Being 'explained just fine' doesn't mean it wasn't rushed. Everything that happened to fall in place for the heroes and the figured out who Black was within less than a chapter. Zamasu took Goku's body and even his name in the manga, that is a certain level of obsession even if it is shallow compared to the anime. He even mimic Goku's techniques. Also, the Supreme Kai happened to visit Zamasu the exact same day that Trunks happened to come back to the past and mentioned Buu who has been dead for at leave five years at this point, the stars really aligned on that one.

Rushing is more than just skipping plot details. Rushing also means that the plot details that are there and ran through, like Black's identity being done in one chapter via a giant info dump.

[TheMikado]

Blacks origin was explained fine and complete and Zamasu didn't become obsessed, you are confusing with the anime. He was interested about Goku because he was told that he defeated Boo and anoyed that a mortal was so strong. Then he decided the take his body to use it for his purposes.

The manga has used a lot of chapters to explain all fine, all about Zamasu, Babari, Trunks. There is nothing missing, it's not rushed. Previous arcs were, this is not at all. Even if the identity is revealed in one chapter, the same goes for the anime, the character has had much more building before. Is not everything stuffed, like you say.

There is nothing rushed in this arc of the manga. The story is being told slow and fine.

Being 'explained just fine' doesn't mean it wasn't rushed. Everything that happened to fall in place for the heroes and the figured out who Black was within less than a chapter. Zamasu took Goku's body and even his name in the manga, that is a certain level of obsession even if it is shallow compared to the anime. He even mimic Goku's techniques. Also, the Supreme Kai happened to visit Zamasu the exact same day that Trunks happened to come back to the past and mentioned Buu who has been dead for at leave five years at this point, the stars really aligned on that one.

Rushing is more than just skipping plot details. Rushing also means that the plot details that are there and ran through, like Black's identity being done in one chapter via a giant info dump.

I think you're confusing being rushed with the style. The anime opted for a mystery who-dunnit style while the manga didn't. It didn't need to drag out the mystery elements of it because it never proposed it as some be overarching mystery.
Maybe Toyotaro decided the mystery and conclusion elements were strong enough to focus on thematically. *Spoiler alert: They weren't.* Who knows but you can't make the argument that the manga was rushed because it decided to go with a different style. It focused on elements like world, lore, and universe expansion rather than the who dunnit elements. I actually prefer its focus on world building.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

It is clear that he is saving time, otherwise Black's origins wouldn't have been one big info dump in one chapter along with Zamasu becoming obsessed over Goku because he saw some Godtube clips. I am not sure why the kart racing is the go to, 'he's taking his time' when it's clear story details got rushed.

He is not, he is taking it slow. He could have ended by now if he wanted.

Again, it has been proven that the manga rushed things since Black's origins were reduced to one chapter of an info dump and Zamasu never even met Goku before becoming obsessed with him by watching Godtube. Just because the manga has a joke here and there or because it didn't stuffed everything into one mega chapter doesn't mean it isn't rush.

Or the manga didn't rush things, but the anime made these additions.

[Basako]

Blacks origin was explained fine and complete and Zamasu didn't become obsessed, you are confusing with the anime. He was interested about Goku because he was told that he defeated Boo and anoyed that a mortal was so strong. Then he decided the take his body to use it for his purposes.

The manga has used a lot of chapters to explain all fine, all about Zamasu, Babari, Trunks. There is nothing missing, it's not rushed. Previous arcs were, this is not at all. Even if the identity is revealed in one chapter, the same goes for the anime, the character has had much more building before. Is not everything stuffed, like you say.

There is nothing rushed in this arc of the manga. The story is being told slow and fine.

Being 'explained just fine' doesn't mean it wasn't rushed. Everything that happened to fall in place for the heroes and the figured out who Black was within less than a chapter. Zamasu took Goku's body and even his name in the manga, that is a certain level of obsession even if it is shallow compared to the anime. He even mimic Goku's techniques. Also, the Supreme Kai happened to visit Zamasu the exact same day that Trunks happened to come back to the past and mentioned Buu who has been dead for at leave five years at this point, the stars really aligned on that one.

Rushing is more than just skipping plot details. Rushing also means that the plot details that are there and ran through, like Black's identity being done in one chapter via a giant info dump.

Yeah, but it wasn't rushed. It's not like what you say, the character has had a lot of development before and finally the identity is revealed in chapter 18. In the anime they figure out who is Black in a single episode too, because he told them, is that rushed too? No, there is no logic in what you say. The character has had the development in all previous chapters till the identity it's revealed in one, it's not rushed. There aren't plot details skipped either, even more, we got more complete flashback about Trunks against Babidi, the link of the Kaioshins and Hakaishins is more elaborated, the time travelling better explained too, all about the rings. It's not like you say, the manga in this arc is being slow paced and complete. Now we have the fights and he is not rushing them either. I could agree some rushing too, we have had two chapers about Vegeta against Black, I could have had it one, maybe. Well, as long as he does it fine, I'm ok.

But don't think I will praise all about the manga, I will rant the power levels of the last chapters once we have the translations. As it looks right now, I don't like it.

[HeroR]

Or the manga didn't rush things, but the anime made these additions.

Which you have no way to prove. The things that people thought were 'Toei's additions' like the Evil Containment Wave turned out not to be the case. Plus, we have seen the manga rushed plot points.

Yeah, but it wasn't rushed. It's not like what you say, the character has had a lot of development before and finally the identity is revealed in chapter 18. In the anime they figure out who is Black in a single episode too, because he told them, is that rushed too? No, there is no logic in what you say. The character has had the development in all previous chapters till the identity it's revealed in one, it's not rushed. There aren't plot details skipped either, even more, we got more complete flashback about Trunks against Babidi, the link of the Kaioshins and Hakaishins is more elaborated, the time travelling better explained too, all about the rings. It's not like you say, the manga in this arc is being slow paced and complete. Now we have the fights and he is not rushing them either. I could agree some rushing too, we have had two chapers about Vegeta against Black, I could have had it one, maybe. Well, it's fine.

Those were rushed because it pack as much as possible into convenient space. They also didn't figure out Black's identity in one episode. Black told them after they put enough of the clues together to know that Zamasu used the Super Dragon Balls. What they mess up at was how Black was created.

It isn't slow. Only certain stuff like Future Majin Buu, which honestly didn't need to be there, were examples of the manga flushing anything out. Everything was was, 1,2.3.

[OLKv3]

There's nothing at all rushed about this arc. "Hurr it's not in the anime so it's rushed". No. This is the first arc that Toyo has actually properly paced like a legit manga instead of an abridged and rushed version of the anime