"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[kinisking]

Er... Yes? It was on the manga, where Toriyama has more involvement, so could be his fault.

Toriyama allows toyotouro to do his own thing though. That's like blaming Toriyama for GT.

The anime also straight up ignores Toriyama's notes even when they are are in black and white. So yeah a small detail like that could easily have been omitted by the anime. We really have no way of knowing who's responsible for what.

What makes you think that?

[HeroR]

What makes you think that?

They're talking about how Black has a normal Super Saiyan according to the Toriyama's notes, but the anime only used Rose. Although it was literally a side note and Toriyama didn't even bother to draw Super Saiyan Black.

[emperior]

Toriyama allows toyotouro to do his own thing though. That's like blaming Toriyama for GT.

The anime also straight up ignores Toriyama's notes even when they are are in black and white. So yeah a small detail like that could easily have been omitted by the anime. We really have no way of knowing who's responsible for what.

What makes you think that?

Goku Black was supposed to go Super Saiyan before going Rosè, like in the manga. It's very strange they ignored that though, maybe they misunderstood the note.

[dbgtFO]

The anime also straight up ignores Toriyama's notes even when they are are in black and white. So yeah a small detail like that could easily have been omitted by the anime. We really have no way of knowing who's responsible for what.

What makes you think that?

Goku Black was supposed to go Super Saiyan before going Rosè, like in the manga. It's very strange they ignored that though, maybe they misunderstood the note.

Well there was also an outline, which might have cleared things up... if it was available to us.
In any case since we obviously aren't fully aware of what's going on behind the scenes, it's best to not make firm conclusions on what is and isn't fact(who am I kidding, people will continue doing it anyways!).

[HeroR]

Goku Black was supposed to go Super Saiyan before going Rosè, like in the manga. It's very strange they ignored that though, maybe they misunderstood the note.

That was never said. All it was said in Toriyama's note was that Black had a normal Super Saiyan form, not that he was supposed to used it before going Rose.

[kinisking]

The anime also straight up ignores Toriyama's notes even when they are are in black and white. So yeah a small detail like that could easily have been omitted by the anime. We really have no way of knowing who's responsible for what.

What makes you think that?

Goku Black was supposed to go Super Saiyan before going Rosè, like in the manga. It's very strange they ignored that though, maybe they misunderstood the note.

The notes said that he could do it, but it never said he had to do it. Although it's strange that they didn't show it.

[dragonballgeek]

The anime also straight up ignores Toriyama's notes even when they are are in black and white. So yeah a small detail like that could easily have been omitted by the anime. We really have no way of knowing who's responsible for what.

What makes you think that?

Goku Black was supposed to go Super Saiyan before going Rosè, like in the manga. It's very strange they ignored that though, maybe they misunderstood the note.

its not strange at all. Zamasu is a diety, so why is it strange that he went straight to Rose when he uses god ki? It should be more natural for him than relying on regular ki.

[SansrivaaL]

What makes you think that?

Goku Black was supposed to go Super Saiyan before going Rosè, like in the manga. It's very strange they ignored that though, maybe they misunderstood the note.

The notes said that he could do it, but it never said he had to do it. Although it's strange that they didn't show it.

Thats the strange part, they had a lot of opportunities to show it, or even mention it but nope, if it wasnt for the manga we wouldnt even know that Black has access to it. I've mentioned this before in the manga thread since I wanted at least seen an episode with Black going SSJ, unless Toei didnt know that Black could go SSJ.

[HeroR]

Thats the strange part, they had a lot of opportunities to show it, or even mention it but nope, if it wasnt for the manga we wouldnt even know that Black has access to it. I've mentioned this before in the manga thread since I wanted at least seen an episode with Black going SSJ, unless Toei didnt know that Black could go SSJ.

Why wouldn't they know? It's right in the notes Toriyama send of them of Rose.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Black having regular SS wasn't that important and the Manga showed that going route diminished some of his villainy, was a wise decision by Toei. Never once through the entire anime arc did we feel that Black was chump and needed physical help like being healed, even when Goku was beating on him in the present Toei handled it soooooo much better then Toyo's Vegeta beat because they made it like Black wasn't even caring, wheras in the Manga he was made to look like a fool and needed rescuing by Zamasu in turn helped him get Rosé. Which meant he needed Zamasu wheras in the anime Zamasu was more like an added luxury to Black to help him achieve his Zero Mortal Plan quicker.

Toei in my opinion handled Black so much better as an actual villain of the arc. From the scene at the end of the first episode to when he merged he lived up.

[Grimlock]

The other old enemies are the ones that are still around...

The only good thing about the next episode will be the briefly return of Buu. I'll awake up for that, then I'll fall asleep yet again until February 5th.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

[Kagari]

Here's the full 76 summary: https://twitter.com/herms98/status/822121385774313472

[HeroR]

Black having regular SS wasn't that important and the Manga showed that going route diminished some of his villainy, was a wise decision by Toei. Never once through the entire anime arc did we feel that Black was chump and needed physical help like being healed, even when Goku was beating on him in the present Toei handled it soooooo much better then Toyo's Vegeta beat because they made it like Black wasn't even caring, wheras in the Manga he was made to look like a fool and needed rescuing by Zamasu in turn helped him get Rosé. Which meant he needed Zamasu wheras in the anime Zamasu was more like an added luxury to Black to help him achieve his Zero Mortal Plan quicker.

Toei in my opinion handled Black so much better as an actual villain of the arc. From the scene at the end of the first episode to when he merged he lived up.

People thought Black was a chump after Goku beat him in the past, ignoring that Black was holding back and he was being sucked through a time portal.

Also, we did see Black get smashed by Vegeta in the anime, but the reason why it came out better was because the beating came after Black showed he was a powerful threat. So Vegeta smashing him made Vegeta look better and stronger, while in the manga it just made Black look weak, not Vegeta being strong. Also, Black's mental breakdown from Vegeta beating him like a typical Dragon Ball villain didn't help when Black in the anime kept his cool and found a way to save himself.

I personally don't have a problem with Super Saiyan Black. I just don't like how the manga used it.

[kinisking]

Krillin getting scared is getting old. In ROF, it made sense because he saw someone that brutally impaled and killed him and he hadn't fought in a while but now it's eh. Although more fearful than a lot of the other z-fighters, he's always been pretty brave.

[ArchedThunder]

Krillin getting scared is getting old. In ROF, it made sense because he saw someone that brutally impaled and killed him and he hadn't fought in a while but now it's eh. Although more fearful than a lot of the other z-fighters, he's always been pretty brave.

He's up against people like Cell and Buu, how does that not make sense?

[FortuneSSJ]

-Episode 76 preview-
Looks like they conveniently left Cell out, because of how hard he is to draw and animate. How disappointing.

[HeroR]

Krillin getting scared is getting old. In ROF, it made sense because he saw someone that brutally impaled and killed him and he hadn't fought in a while but now it's eh. Although more fearful than a lot of the other z-fighters, he's always been pretty brave.

He's up against people like Cell and Buu, how does that not make sense?

Plus, Cell nearly killed him with a kick and Buu literally at him alive as chocolate. I am not sure why he wouldn't be traumatized. Everyone else not having PTSD are the freaks here.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

No Cell means, no Wakamoto. Episode #76 can go to hell. The little bit of excitement I had for it is pretty much dead. What a waste.

[Noah]

Krillin getting scared is getting old. In ROF, it made sense because he saw someone that brutally impaled and killed him and he hadn't fought in a while but now it's eh. Although more fearful than a lot of the other z-fighters, he's always been pretty brave.

Even though I'm not a fan of Krillin, I hate his Toei counterpart, you could see in most fillers, movies and even in RoF arc on Super that they always tend to show him as a coward character. Toriyama Krillin is the best.

No Cell means, no Wakamoto. Episode #76 can go to hell. The little bit of excitement I had for it is pretty much dead. What a waste.

What? Oh man, I would like to see the return of Wakamoto as Cell, f*** Toei!

[Will]

Unless I am missing something, Toei already announced Cell officially for episode 76 in a previous preview.