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Post by gohanku » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:43 am

Godo wrote:Offtopic: Why doesn't Goku learn any other of the fighters the Shunkan Idou? That would help the other less stronger characters a lot!
Plus, I hate that Kaio-sama didn't learn the humans the kaio-ken. At least it is not shown.
I guess they could handle the 10x at the time the androids appear. That would help them from being killed that easily (Trunks timeline).
:? Anyway, I guess it is because they didn't want to or decided that it was "Goku's thing". For the Kaio-ken, I have no idea.
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Post by Godo » Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:01 am

gohanku wrote:
Godo wrote:Offtopic: Why doesn't Goku learn any other of the fighters the Shunkan Idou? That would help the other less stronger characters a lot!
Plus, I hate that Kaio-sama didn't learn the humans the kaio-ken. At least it is not shown.
I guess they could handle the 10x at the time the androids appear. That would help them from being killed that easily (Trunks timeline).
:? Anyway, I guess it is because they didn't want to or decided that it was "Goku's thing". For the Kaio-ken, I have no idea.
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Post by COCONUT MILK » Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:07 am

I don't have a fave part with krillin, it's all good to me.

Krillin is hardly an underdog, i mean if you put bruce lee in a room full of god's then he would look like nothing too.
I think he get's load's of great attention payed to him,
Chaozu is about the only underdog in dbz.

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Post by Humpski » Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:50 am

Kuririn is never given the time to shine. He always tries and fails (same with everyone else who's not Goku or Gohan) which is one of the things I dislike most about the Dragonball series.

If I could change one thing in the entire history of Dragonball it would have been that Vegeta wasn't paying attention when that Kienzan was coming at Nappa. Nappa would have been sliced in half and Kuririn would have taken out a major villain.
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Post by Dayspring » Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:32 pm

Tenshinhan made a conscious decision not to learn Kaioken, or at least not the way Goku did, as he realized blindly following Goku's older training methods would never result in him surpassing Goku, so much as increase the odds of merely catching up to him. The result of which was the Shin Kikoho, which hints at the possibility that Tenshinhan succeeded at what he set out to do: take only the strong points of Kaio's training and improve upon them himself.

Yamcha was always just a weak, stupid idiot (but not as stupid as Chaozu).
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Post by Godo » Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:06 pm

Dayspring wrote:Yamcha was always just a weak, stupid idiot (but not as stupid as Chaozu).
I think he had lots of potential, but he didn't train hard enough when he had to. And he was too afraid of other opponents. Even someone weak can be of use for Goku and the others, like if someone needs a senzu bean or something. Like gunfodder. :D

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Post by Dayspring » Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:03 pm

Godo wrote:
Dayspring wrote:Yamcha was always just a weak, stupid idiot (but not as stupid as Chaozu).
I think he had lots of potential, but he didn't train hard enough when he had to. And he was too afraid of other opponents. Even someone weak can be of use for Goku and the others, like if someone needs a senzu bean or something. Like gunfodder. :D
All true, but that doesn't prove me wrong. :P

It was part of his character. I accept that Yamcha was always wasted potential. He was the weaker guy playing catch up since day one, but he never had the drive to actually take it seriously. Naturally he never caught up.
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Post by caejones » Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:55 am

DB made it seem like Yamcha worked kind of hard, but at the same time, he may have just focused on a single threshold and once reaching it just quit because hey, what's the point in going farther?

Chaozu... I don't understand. With all of those powers he could have been kinda useful... but the instant he lost to Kuririn he stopped being significant.
*uses kaioken to swat mosquito*

Yajirobe? He just has this gift with fighting, but is too lazy to take it anywhere... he can avoid dying against Vegeta (though not really do much else)... Blargh, if he wasn't so lazy he'd probably surpass Yamcha easily.

Though this makes me wonder... did we ever see Kuririn train for the Jinzouningen? Hm.

And you'd think that Chaozu would be a bit better training with Ten. Blargh, he learns how to cook, I guess.
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Post by Dayspring » Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:39 pm

caejones wrote:DB made it seem like Yamcha worked kind of hard, but at the same time, he may have just focused on a single threshold and once reaching it just quit because hey, what's the point in going farther?
He is to martial artists as lazy students are to learning. Yamcha only trains when he knows there's a fight coming up (the 21st budokai in a few months, the Saiyans in a year, the androids in 3 years, etc), and even then, not as hard as he could. That's like students only studying when there's a test in an hour.
caejones wrote:Chaozu... I don't understand. With all of those powers he could have been kinda useful... but the instant he lost to Kuririn he stopped being significant.
*uses kaioken to swat mosquito*
I doubt he'd ever be useful. He was a gnat to begin with, his powers only being a nuissance when his opponents were still weak. Note that once Nappa came around his powers weren't strong enough to even affect him.
caejones wrote:Yajirobe? He just has this gift with fighting, but is too lazy to take it anywhere... he can avoid dying against Vegeta (though not really do much else)... Blargh, if he wasn't so lazy he'd probably surpass Yamcha easily.
Agreed. His natural talents made at least as strong as Goku back when Goku was equal to Tenshinhan.
caejones wrote:Though this makes me wonder... did we ever see Kuririn train for the Jinzouningen? Hm.
Not really. Unless you count that single chapter cover (don't know about filler), we know he trained hard. He just didn't accept Goku's invitation since there was already too much of a difference between his and their levels.
caejones wrote:And you'd think that Chaozu would be a bit better training with Ten. Blargh, he learns how to cook, I guess.
Seriously. As early as the fight against Nappa, Chaozu's already dropped to only being 1/3 of Tenshinhan's strength. :roll:
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