You wanted strong women in Dragon Ball? (spoilers)

[AnimeMaakuo]

This makes me glad I stopped watching the show right after DBGT. Everything after turned into utter shit IMHO.

The stories are regurgitated, the animation is bad, the sound effects are not the same, the music is done very poorly, and they're playing everything safe. This franchise has become an embarrassment to those fans like myself.

Why didn't they create stories of the characters when they were a lot younger? Instead, they have to make BIGGER transformations, BIGGER explosions, MORE powerful enemies, etc. They wrapped everything up in DBGT and it should've ended. At the very least, make a story about Vegeta Jr. and Goku Jr.

This "Evil Goku", Lady Broly", "Return of Freeza", and "Super Saiyan God" looks dumb and unoriginal.

Nah, the animation, story and music got better since the fights vs Hit, and the only sound effect I don't like is the teletransportation's. If you give it a chance you may like Super

I edited my quote if you could please fix that, thanks.

The animation got better? That's your opinion. I disagree. To me, giving DB Super a chance is like trying to watch Barney and pretend that the show is heartwarming. It's completely crazy and dumb.

[Ki Breaker]

This makes me glad I stopped watching the show right after DBGT. Everything after turned into utter shit IMHO.

The stories are regurgitated, the animation is bad, the sound effects are not the same, the music is done very poorly, and they're playing everything safe. This franchise has become an embarrassment to those fans like myself.

Why didn't they create stories of the characters when they were a lot younger? Instead, they have to make BIGGER transformations, BIGGER explosions, MORE powerful enemies, etc. They wrapped everything up in DBGT and it should've ended. At the very least, make a story about Vegeta Jr. and Goku Jr.

This "Evil Goku", Lady Broly", "Return of Freeza", and "Super Saiyan God" sound dumb and unoriginal.

Well, dbgt was really not worth being the continuation of db to many people, they had to fill the time slot with something and toriyama was ready to write, hence we got super..
It's really just a decision taken on a whim hence it's start and more than 3/4 of it is pretty bad..

The evil Goku was actually Handeld okay, SS god was fine to kill off the numbered SS forms, that was getting out of hand, freeza's return is.. not much on it's defense, if frost gets his hand on the transformation freeza got then it would make a little sense..

Let's see how lady broly turns out first, if it's a disaster, we got years to complain..

I won't recomme you to watch super, but if you can give the zeno tournament a shot, they should have cleared up most of the issues they had till now

[Alee9977]

This makes me glad I stopped watching the show right after DBGT. Everything after turned into utter shit IMHO.

The stories are regurgitated, the animation is bad, the sound effects are not the same, the music is done very poorly, and they're playing everything safe. This franchise has become an embarrassment to those fans like myself.

Why didn't they create stories of the characters when they were a lot younger? Instead, they have to make BIGGER transformations, BIGGER explosions, MORE powerful enemies, etc. They wrapped everything up in DBGT and it should've ended. At the very least, make a story about Vegeta Jr. and Goku Jr.

This "Evil Goku", Lady Broly", "Return of Freeza", and "Super Saiyan God" looks dumb and unoriginal.

Nah, the animation, story and music got better since the fights vs Hit, and the only sound effect I don't like is the teletransportation's. If you give it a chance you may like Super

I edited my quote if you could please fix that, thanks.

The animation got better? That's your opinion. I disagree. To me, giving DB Super a chance is like trying to watch Barney and pretend that the show is heartwarming. It's completely crazy and dumb.

Watch fights like Goku SSB vs Golden Freezer and then watch Goku and Vegeta vs Black and Zamasu or Vegetto vs Zamasu or just Goku vs Hit, you can find them easily on Youtube.
Almost everybody here will tell you the animation got way better compared to RoF arc.

[AnimeMaakuo]

This makes me glad I stopped watching the show right after DBGT. Everything after turned into utter shit IMHO.

The stories are regurgitated, the animation is bad, the sound effects are not the same, the music is done very poorly, and they're playing everything safe. This franchise has become an embarrassment to those fans like myself.

Why didn't they create stories of the characters when they were a lot younger? Instead, they have to make BIGGER transformations, BIGGER explosions, MORE powerful enemies, etc. They wrapped everything up in DBGT and it should've ended. At the very least, make a story about Vegeta Jr. and Goku Jr.

This "Evil Goku", Lady Broly", "Return of Freeza", and "Super Saiyan God" sound dumb and unoriginal.

Well, dbgt was really not worth being the continuation of db to many people, they had to fill the time slot with something and toriyama was ready to write, hence we got super..
It's really just a decision taken on a whim hence it's start and more than 3/4 of it is pretty bad..

The evil Goku was actually Handeld okay, SS god was fine to kill off the numbered SS forms, that was getting out of hand, freeza's return is.. not much on it's defense, if frost gets his hand on the transformation freeza got then it would make a little sense..

Let's see how lady broly turns out first, if it's a disaster, we got years to complain..

I won't recomme you to watch super, but if you can give the zeno tournament a shot, they should have cleared up most of the issues they had till now

You are the first person I've ever come across to say "SSGOD was fine to kill off numbered SSJ forms because it was getting out of hand".

- I thought DBGT was a million times better than anything seen in DB SUPER.

[Ki Breaker]

You are the first person I've ever come across to say "SSGOD was fine to kill off numbered SSJ forms because it was getting out of hand".

I assume that's not a bad thing?
SS100's were popping up everywhere with hair to rival the everest, not a good sight..

[AnimeMaakuo]

You are the first person I've ever come across to say "SSGOD was fine to kill off numbered SSJ forms because it was getting out of hand".

I assume that's not a bad thing?
SS100's were popping up everywhere with hair to rival the everest, not a good sight..

I disagree, but whatever makes you feel better. I'm an older fan, so maybe that's where we see things differently.

[Ki Breaker]

You are the first person I've ever come across to say "SSGOD was fine to kill off numbered SSJ forms because it was getting out of hand".

I assume that's not a bad thing?
SS100's were popping up everywhere with hair to rival the everest, not a good sight..

I disagree, but whatever makes you feel better. I'm an older fan, so maybe that's where we see things differently.

I would very much like to hear why you disagree, all about getting to know other views here..

[Lord Frieza]

This makes me glad I stopped watching the show right after DBGT. Everything after turned into utter shit IMHO.

The stories are regurgitated, the animation is bad, the sound effects are not the same, the music is done very poorly, and they're playing everything safe. This franchise has become an embarrassment to those fans like myself.

Why didn't they create stories of the characters when they were a lot younger? Instead, they have to make BIGGER transformations, BIGGER explosions, MORE powerful enemies, etc. They wrapped everything up in DBGT and it should've ended. At the very least, make a story about Vegeta Jr. and Goku Jr.

This "Evil Goku", Lady Broly", "Return of Freeza", and "Super Saiyan God" looks dumb and unoriginal.

Yeah because the Black Star Ball arc was not an utter wast of everyone time, the Baby arc didn't rip of the Saiyan, Frieza and Buu arcs, the Super 17 arc was not a rip off of the Android arc and movie 12 and the shadow dragons in no way look like King Piccolo offspring rejects......oh wait.

[Alee9977]

I assume that's not a bad thing?
SS100's were popping up everywhere with hair to rival the everest, not a good sight..

I disagree, but whatever makes you feel better. I'm an older fan, so maybe that's where we see things differently.

I would very much like to hear why you disagree, all about getting to know other views here..
Just for the record, super isn't my favorite either, my sig is there for all to see

Yeah, we are all old DB fans here. Also Z wasn't perfect either, Super too, it has a lot of flaws and bad things but it isn't the worst thing in the world, is better than GT, and just the Future Trunks arc can be compared with any other Z arc, obviously story wise.
Super is way more different than how it was when it begun. I'm sure all the things you say about animation are because you read them or just saw a picture of an inbetween from ep 5 or RoF arc, I tell you things are really different from that.
As they told you before, you can try watching Super starting from this arc that had more time of preproduction than any other arc so we may see really good fights and stuff.

[AnimeMaakuo]

This makes me glad I stopped watching the show right after DBGT. Everything after turned into utter shit IMHO.

The stories are regurgitated, the animation is bad, the sound effects are not the same, the music is done very poorly, and they're playing everything safe. This franchise has become an embarrassment to those fans like myself.

Why didn't they create stories of the characters when they were a lot younger? Instead, they have to make BIGGER transformations, BIGGER explosions, MORE powerful enemies, etc. They wrapped everything up in DBGT and it should've ended. At the very least, make a story about Vegeta Jr. and Goku Jr.

This "Evil Goku", Lady Broly", "Return of Freeza", and "Super Saiyan God" looks dumb and unoriginal.

Yeah because the Black Star Ball arc was not an utter wast of everyone time, the Baby arc didn't rip of the Saiyan, Frieza and Buu arcs, the Super 17 arc was not a rip off of the Android arc and movie 12 and the shadow dragons in no way look like King Piccolo offspring rejects......oh wait.

I think you're looking too hard into this because I don't notice anything similar except for maybe(?) Android 17. But hey, at least Toei didn't pull him out of their ass like they did with the Revival of Freeza, where he was stronger than God form without any kind of explanation.

[AnimeMaakuo]

I disagree, but whatever makes you feel better. I'm an older fan, so maybe that's where we see things differently.

I would very much like to hear why you disagree, all about getting to know other views here..
Just for the record, super isn't my favorite either, my sig is there for all to see

Yeah, we are all old DB fans here. Also Z wasn't perfect either, Super too, it has a lot of flaws and bad things but it isn't the worst thing in the world, is better than GT, and just the Future Trunks arc can be compared with any other Z arc, obviously story wise.
Super is way more different than how it was when it begun. I'm sure all the things you say about animation are because you read them or just saw a picture of an inbetween from ep 5 or RoF arc, I tell you things are really different from that.
As they told you before, you can try watching Super starting from this arc that had more time of preproduction than any other arc so we may see really good fights and stuff.

It's funny how, when I mention that I'm an older DB fan, you claim that everyone else here is an older DB fan as though it gives you some kind of seniority on the matter. Right. By all means, harp on DBZ if it makes you feel any better about DB Super; it won't warrant their poor practices and storytelling.

[Ki Breaker]

I think you're looking too hard into this because I don't notice anything similar except for maybe(?) Android 17. But hey, at least Toei didn't pull him out of their ass like they did with the Revival of Freeza, where he was stronger than God form without any explanation why.

He really isn't, That's what it was..

[Lord Frieza]

This makes me glad I stopped watching the show right after DBGT. Everything after turned into utter shit IMHO.

The stories are regurgitated, the animation is bad, the sound effects are not the same, the music is done very poorly, and they're playing everything safe. This franchise has become an embarrassment to those fans like myself.

Why didn't they create stories of the characters when they were a lot younger? Instead, they have to make BIGGER transformations, BIGGER explosions, MORE powerful enemies, etc. They wrapped everything up in DBGT and it should've ended. At the very least, make a story about Vegeta Jr. and Goku Jr.

This "Evil Goku", Lady Broly", "Return of Freeza", and "Super Saiyan God" looks dumb and unoriginal.

Yeah because the Black Star Ball arc was not an utter wast of everyone time, the Baby arc didn't rip of the Saiyan, Frieza and Buu arcs, the Super 17 arc was not a rip off of the Android arc and movie 12 and the shadow dragons in no way look like King Piccolo offspring rejects......oh wait.

I think you're looking too hard into this because I don't notice anything similar except for maybe(?) Android 17. But hey, at least Toei didn't pull him out of their ass like they did with the Revival of Freeza, where he was stronger than God form without any explanation why.

I'm really not looking all that hard.

Baby Arc - Baby looks like a gray Buu and gets his powers from others (Buu saga) Lots of running around, hiding and waiting for Goku and his new form(Frieza arc) and he's in Vegeta's body fighting Goku as a giant moneky (saiyan saga).

Shadow Dragon arc -

[AnimeMaakuo]

I think you're looking too hard into this because I don't notice anything similar except for maybe(?) Android 17. But hey, at least Toei didn't pull him out of their ass like they did with the Revival of Freeza, where he was stronger than God form without any explanation why.

He really isn't, That's what it was..

Again, that's your opinion.

[Alee9977]

I would very much like to hear why you disagree, all about getting to know other views here..
Just for the record, super isn't my favorite either, my sig is there for all to see

Yeah, we are all old DB fans here. Also Z wasn't perfect either, Super too, it has a lot of flaws and bad things but it isn't the worst thing in the world, is better than GT, and just the Future Trunks arc can be compared with any other Z arc, obviously story wise.
Super is way more different than how it was when it begun. I'm sure all the things you say about animation are because you read them or just saw a picture of an inbetween from ep 5 or RoF arc, I tell you things are really different from that.
As they told you before, you can try watching Super starting from this arc that had more time of preproduction than any other arc so we may see really good fights and stuff.

It's funny how, when I mention that I'm an older DB fan, you claim that everyone else here is an older DB fan as though it gives you some kind of seniority on the matter. Right. By all means, harp on DBZ if it makes you feel any better about DB Super; it won't warrant the poor practices and storytelling.

We all here have followed DB for ages or decades, it's not like you are the first DB fan in the world.
I perfectly know Super isn't perfect, as well as I know Z isn't perfect either despite being a legend of the anime,but you keep acting like Z was perfect and had no flaws, but hey, it's your opinion and you are the one who came to the Super forum just to say shitty things about it, I just told you to give it a chance in the new arc but you seem to only believe Z is the one and only anime you are here for, I'm surprised you say you are a DB fan when you don't even give a shot to Super.
And this will be my last comment about this, don't want to deviate the main theme of the topic.

[AnimeMaakuo]

It's not like you are the first DB fan in the world.

I've not even implied that. From where are you extrapolating this position from?

[sintzu]

Next thing we know, and Vegeta gets taken out early by Frost, who has the golden form, which is pink

I think Frost will have a new form and Vegeta will have Ssj3.

If we're getting a female Broly then sooner or later we'll get every possible fan service you can think of and those 2 were a lot more likely to happen then a female Broly.

[AnimeMaakuo]

I'm surprised you say you are a DB fan when you don't even give a shot to Super.

Oh, really? I'm sorry you feel that way.

[Xeztin]

I think that the new Broly will be the Super Saiyan transformation for all females simply because of Toriyama looking at them as being very scary when mad. (Like Chi-Chi). "Saiyan's like strong willed women" looks like it got took to the extreme in a good way

[Alee9977]

Next thing we know, and Vegeta gets taken out early by Frost, who has the golden form, which is pink

I think Frost will have a new form and Vegeta will have Ssj3.

If we're getting a female Broly then sooner or later we'll get every possible fan service you can think of and those 2 were a lot more likely to happen then a female Broly.

We have female Broly, Pink golden frost and Ssj3 vegeta, they should give us growned Goten and Trunks too... Right?

It's not like you are the first DB fan in the world.

I've not even implied that. From where are you extrapolating this position from?

Well you don't like the idea that there are other old DB fans here, or that's what looked like when I said that a lot of us are older DB fans. That's why I said that, you aren't the oldest DB fan ever, like it or not, lot of us followed the anime and manga for a long time.