You wanted strong women in Dragon Ball? (spoilers)

[sintzu]

True, but after these designs, I don't know. I just can't take the wackiness much longer.

It's free so there's no reason to drop it.

These characters designs absolutely suck! You got a clown for a god of destruction? Come on man.

The least they could have done was give a female super saiyan her own unique look. No, instead they basically made her look like a male super saiyan, who is an exact clone of Broly himself.

I just about had it with this series.

The strongest character in the franchise is an unstable little chiled so the clown look good and creative in comparison.

A unique design ? they can't sell toys and cards with that.

Wait till you see them bring back Ssj4 and introduce Ssj5

I am not amused.

Everything after BOG has had some form of fan service so you should be used to it by now.

I wonder how Takao Koyama feels about this. I never really liked Broly that much but this is kinda cool. Not-Freeza and Girl-Broli teaming up at last.

I hadn't thought of Takao Koyama's thoughts on this. I'm really interested to know that now.

Maybe he designed her ? there's a 120+ new characters so I wouldn't be surprised if Toriyama brought everyone who worked on the franchise together and told them to design some characters.

Now we need gogeta blue in the manga

We'll get him sooner or later.

[Ki Breaker]

I think you're looking too hard into this because I don't notice anything similar except for maybe(?) Android 17. But hey, at least Toei didn't pull him out of their ass like they did with the Revival of Freeza, where he was stronger than God form without any explanation why.

He really isn't, That's what it was..

Again, that's your opinion.

Damn, trying to have a conversation dosen't work with you at all, obviously whatever a person says is his opinion, it dosen't need to be said all the time..
Well, how it's alike is posted by Lord freeza..
Breaking the discussion here from my side

[MisteryOne]

This makes me glad I stopped watching the show right after DBGT. Everything after turned into utter shit IMHO.

The stories are regurgitated, the animation is bad, the sound effects are not the same, the music is done very poorly, and they're playing everything safe. This franchise has become an embarrassment to those fans like myself.

Why didn't they create stories of the characters when they were a lot younger? Instead, they have to make BIGGER transformations, BIGGER explosions, MORE powerful enemies, etc. They wrapped everything up in DBGT and it should've ended. At the very least, make a story about Vegeta Jr. and Goku Jr.

This "Evil Goku", Lady Broly", "Return of Freeza", and "Super Saiyan God" looks dumb and unoriginal.

Nah, the animation, story and music got better since the fights vs Hit, and the only sound effect I don't like is the teletransportation's. If you give it a chance you may like Super

I edited my quote if you could please fix that, thanks.

The animation got better? That's your opinion. I disagree. To me, giving DB Super a chance is like trying to watch Barney and pretend that the show is heartwarming. It's completely crazy and dumb.

Animation getting better is not a matter of opinion. Is a fact. Goku Black and Zamasu vs Future Trunks and Goku in ep56 and Vegetto vs Zamasu in episode 67 are completely monsters in terms of animation. And no, is not my opinion. Look at the frames, the movement ant the drawings. If you don't see that those two scenes are one of the best of the franchise, then you clearly doesn't know anything about animation or the way it's done. In this same forum you can see a thread about it trough.

The storytelling of Super is way better than most of GT. It's interesting how you have not seen the show yet you think GT is better. As far as I concerned, as a hardcore and old fashioned DB fan, the Goku Black arc (which by the way is not a evil Goku at all, bit this is what happens when you talk about something you don't know) is better writed than the shitty Cell an Boo arcs (specially in the manga).It has the best villain of the franchise, tension (something that didn't exist in the Cell arc because of Polunga) and an original ending instead of a cliché one. Of course, this last is my opinion. But still, you are hating on a show without even watching it, which is a extremely childlish attictude. In terms of story, Super is nowhere near original DB or the saiyan/namek arcs, and rhe filler is usually awful, but it's stupid to say «that's my opinion» because you can't have an opinion about something you don't know about. But well, nostalgia haters is not a new thing.

Also, tell me why Super Saiyan God or Goku Black, which is actually a new concept in the anime series since he is not an evil Goku, are more unoriginal than making a hunt for Dragonballs again (Dragonballs that for wahtever reason were never detected by the DB radar in Z, and that are know for destroy the planet they were used in despite the fact that that never happened before since his creator only lived in Earth), turn Majin Vegeta into a «new» villain and make an arc about irñt, or bringing back A17 with an unexplined power up. And things like making Gohan lose the Ultimate power without explanation (in ROF he at least had one), or the Universal Spirit Bomb, which by concept is just impossible.

Really, please tell me why Frieza archiving God level (which is not from Super, but well) is more bullshit than A17 rearching SS4 level. Both of them have shitty explanations, but one of them didn't ended into bringing back all the old villains.

Seriously, how is bringing back Frieza, Gero,Broly, Nappa,etc any worse than bringing back all the villains from hell?

Golden Freezer has nothing to do with Super, it was created by Akira Toriyama for the ROF film (and btw, you saying that Golden Freezer being weaker than a SSBlue is an opinion just shows how stupid it's to hate something you don't know aboit, it is something CONFIRMED).Super right now only has two finished original arcs , U6 and Goku Black.Probably the worst thing from the entire franchise except for Super 17 arc (complete nonsense which goes against original manga in a way that not even Super has attemped) and Baby arc (Majin Vegeta 2.0 turning into an arc). Of course, IMo

[dbs fanboy]

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This makes me glad I stopped watching the show right after DBGT. Everything after turned into utter shit IMHO.

I'm saddened by the fact that probably the only reason of why you came here it's because the shitstorm a certain character is creating

[sintzu]

I'm fucking floored. I really have no idea what to say about this, who the hell expected the first female Super Saiyan in canon to be fucking fem-Broly?

Even then, that's not getting into how Broly is now semi-canon, I guess.

NO ONE did. we thought we'd see Broly but there's no way anyone expected a female Broly.

Someone will probably say she looks like him, we might even see a flash back to one of his movies.

Just when I thought they couldn't make anything else worse, they turn Broly into a female. WTF?

You'll change your mind when they announce Ssj5.

I really can't believe Broly is coming back that's a little too fanservicey.

This is the same show that is giving us recolored Ssj forms, a resurrected Freeza, Future Trunks, Vegetto, an evil Goku and alternate universe Saiyans and Freeza.

We entered the fan service zone the minute minus was announced to be a Bardock story and ever since then we've been getting one thing after the next. BOG was the only story that relyed on something completely new.

[AnimeMaakuo]

Animation getting better is not a matter of opinion. Is a fact.

Animation getting better is a fact? Please, don't act like an elitist prick. It doesn't help your cause.

[sintzu]

This makes me glad I stopped watching the show right after DBGT. Everything after turned into utter shit IMHO.

You should at least watch the BOG movie.

[Lord Beerus]

This makes me glad I stopped watching the show right after DBGT. Everything after turned into utter shit IMHO.

The stories are regurgitated, the animation is bad, the sound effects are not the same, the music is done very poorly, and they're playing everything safe. This franchise has become an embarrassment to those fans like myself.

Why didn't they create stories of the characters when they were a lot younger? Instead, they have to make BIGGER transformations, BIGGER explosions, MORE powerful enemies, etc. They wrapped everything up in DBGT and it should've ended. At the very least, make a story about Vegeta Jr. and Goku Jr.

This "Evil Goku", Lady Broly", "Return of Freeza", and "Super Saiyan God" looks dumb and unoriginal.

Nah, the animation, story and music got better since the fights vs Hit, and the only sound effect I don't like is the teletransportation's. If you give it a chance you may like Super

I edited my quote if you could please fix that, thanks.

The animation got better? That's your opinion. I disagree. To me, giving DB Super a chance is like trying to watch Barney and pretend that the show is heartwarming. It's completely crazy and dumb.

Animation getting better is not a matter of opinion. Is a fact. Goku Black and Zamasu vs Future Trunks and Goku in ep56 and Vegetto vs Zamasu in episode 67 are completely monsters in terms of animation. And no, is not my opinion. Look at the frames, the movement ant the drawings. If you don't see that those two scenes are one of the best of the franchise, then you clearly doesn't know anything about animation or the way it's done. In this same forum you can see a thread about it trough.

The storytelling of Super is way better than most of GT. It's interesting how you have not seen the show yet you think GT is better. As far as I concerned, as a hardcore and old fashioned DB fan, the Goku Black arc (which by the way is not a evil Goku at all, bit this is what happens when you talk about something you don't know) is better writed than the shitty Cell an Boo arcs (specially in the manga).It has the best villain of the franchise, tension (something that didn't exist in the Cell arc because of Polunga) and an original ending instead of a cliché one. Of course, this last is my opinion. But still, you are hating on a show without even watching it, which is a extremely childlish attictude. In terms of story, Super is nowhere near original DB or the saiyan/namek arcs, and rhe filler is usually awful, but it's stupid to say «that's my opinion» because you can't have an opinion about something you don't know about. But well, nostalgia haters is not a new thing.

Also, Golden Freezer has nothing to do with Super, it was created by Akira Toriyama for the ROF film (and btw, you saying that Golden Freezer being weaker than a SSBlue is an opinion just shows how stupid it's to hate something you don't know aboit, it is something CONFIRMED).Super right now only has two finished original arcs , U6 and Goku Black.Probably the worst thing from the entire franchise except for Super 17 arc (complete nonsense which goes against original manga in a way that not even Super has attemped) and Baby arc (Majin Vegeta 2.0 turning into an arc). Of course, IMo

SSJB Goku and SSJ Future Trunks vs SSJR Goku Black and Zamasu was in Episode 57 and Vegetto vs Merged Zamasu was in Episode 66.

And, yes, both Episode 57 and Episode 66 had stunning animation.

[AnimeMaakuo]

Really, please tell me why Frieza archiving God level (which is not from Super, but well) is more bullshit than A17 rearching SS4 level. Both of them have shitty explanations, but one of them didn't ended into bringing back all the old villains.

It's pretty simple, actually. Do you remember how, in DBZ, Android 17 & 18 could obliterate any Super Saiyan?

In DBGT, Super 17's design was to absorb the energy from his opponents to make them render them defenseless. Makes sense, right?

Freeza, a villain who was left to die by Super Saiyan Goku and chopped up by Super Saiyan Trunks, mysteriously comes back stronger than God form.

How does Freeza get this strong? Freeza already showed Goku 100% power during their fight on Namek, did Freeza not? Nevertheless, Freeza had to make an appearance because using an original idea would be too risky and wouldn't generate the most money.

It seems to me that people who complain about DBGT haven't even watched it.

[Alee9977]

Animation getting better is not a matter of opinion. Is a fact.

Animation getting better is a fact? Please, don't act like an elitist prick. It doesn't help your cause.

It is a fact, if you don't want to accept it is your problem, at the end you are the one who never watched anything of Super and now acting like you know everything about the show. It is impossible to have a conversation with you man man, everybody is telling you how it is and you still don't want to accept it, you even defend GT.

Golden Freezer was made for a movie of the show that stopped 18 years ago, it makes sense they make a movie with an old enemy don't you think? Wasn't supposed to appear in Super, but he did and we all know how it turned out

[AnimeMaakuo]

everybody is telling you how it is and you still don't want to accept it, you even defend GT.

I had no idea that 2 or more people make up the majority of the fan base.

[DragonBallFoodie]

I really think we should change the title of this thread. DB has always had strong women (Chi-Chi, 18, Videl).

[Duo]

One day, at a creative meeting between Toei Staff and Akira Toriyama...

Producer: "So we've been doing some international market research, and there's a few things we think you should try."

Toriyama (playing on phone, leaning back in chair): "Oh yeah?"

Producer: "Well, turns out a lot of internationals like Broli..."

Toriyama: "Who?" (Producer shows picture) "...who?"

Producer: "...moving on, they'd also like to see a female Super Saiyan, and maybe some way to bring Super Saiyan 4 into the story."

Toriyama (pulls out a bottle of Tequila and takes 3 shots): "Well guy I don't know what the hell that last thing is either, but I think I can help you out (grabs picture of Broli and starts drawing on it).

[dbs fanboy]

Really, please tell me why Frieza archiving God level (which is not from Super, but well) is more bullshit than A17 rearching SS4 level. Both of them have shitty explanations, but one of them didn't ended into bringing back all the old villains.

It's pretty simple, actually. Do you remember how, in DBZ, Android 17 & 18 could obliterate any Super Saiyan?

In DBGT, Super 17's design was to absorb the energy from his opponents to make them render them defenseless. Makes sense, right?

Freeza, a villain who was left to die by Super Saiyan Goku and chopped up by Super Saiyan Trunks, mysteriously comes back stronger than God form.

How does Freeza get this strong? Freeza already showed Goku 100% power during their fight on Namek, did Freeza not? Nevertheless, Freeza had to make an appearance because using an original idea would be too risky and wouldn't generate the most money.

It seems to me that people who complain about DBGT haven't even watched it.

Super 17 is a fusion of two androids with the same amount of strenght, and yet he ended up being stronger than Cell. Regular 17 who lived on Earth was weaker than Ssj Gohan and equal in strenght with Piccolo. While android 19 and Gero could absorb energy, 17 couldn't and yet Super 17 is able to do it. And lets not forget that somehow one of the androids was somehow created in hell. And you're trying to tell me that two 17 equal in strenght fusing and then becoming stronger than Perfect Cell who alone was stronger than 18 and 17 and absorbed them both (who were equal in power as well) makes sense. Now you could argue and say that the 17 from hell was stronger, and it would still be bullshit the fact that not only he could be created in hell, but he was strong enough to be considered a threat by the GT warriors.

In RoF, the explanation pretty much was that Freeza was born with all the power he showed in Namek and that he never ever trained before, so he decided to train becoming really, really strong. It may be stupid but my point is that both of this changes in power are. You can like one more over the other or think that one makes more sense than the other but it doesn't change the fact that both of them are dumb.

[dbs fanboy]

One day, at a creative meeting between Toei Staff and Akira Toriyama...

Producer: "So we've been doing some international market research, and there's a few things we think you should try."

Toriyama (playing on phone, leaning back in chair): "Oh yeah?"

Producer: "Well, turns out a lot of internationals like Broli..."

Toriyama: "Who?" (Producer shows picture) "...who?"

Producer: "...moving on, they'd also like to see a female Super Saiyan, and maybe some way to bring Super Saiyan 4 into the story."

Toriyama (pulls out a bottle of Tequila and takes 3 shots): "Well guy I don't know what the hell that last thing is either, but I think I can help you out (grabs picture of Broli and starts drawing on it).

Accurate.

[Gog]

One day, at a creative meeting between Toei Staff and Akira Toriyama...

Producer: "So we've been doing some international market research, and there's a few things we think you should try."

Toriyama (playing on phone, leaning back in chair): "Oh yeah?"

Producer: "Well, turns out a lot of internationals like Broli..."

Toriyama: "Who?" (Producer shows picture) "...who?"

Producer: "...moving on, they'd also like to see a female Super Saiyan, and maybe some way to bring Super Saiyan 4 into the story."

Toriyama (pulls out a bottle of Tequila and takes 3 shots): "Well guy I don't know what the hell that last thing is either, but I think I can help you out (grabs picture of Broli and starts drawing on it).

Wee~eelll it's not inaccurate. Are you an executive producer at Toei?

[Cetra]

One day, at a creative meeting between Toei Staff and Akira Toriyama...

Producer: "So we've been doing some international market research, and there's a few things we think you should try."

Toriyama (playing on phone, leaning back in chair): "Oh yeah?"

Producer: "Well, turns out a lot of internationals like Broli..."

Toriyama: "Who?" (Producer shows picture) "...who?"

Producer: "...moving on, they'd also like to see a female Super Saiyan, and maybe some way to bring Super Saiyan 4 into the story."

Toriyama (pulls out a bottle of Tequila and takes 3 shots): "Well guy I don't know what the hell that last thing is either, but I think I can help you out (grabs picture of Broli and starts drawing on it).

I can see and hear it very clearly.

[Draconic]

Last week or so there where reports of Toriyama being sick. I guess we now know the reason

[Lord Beerus]

One day, at a creative meeting between Toei Staff and Akira Toriyama...

Producer: "So we've been doing some international market research, and there's a few things we think you should try."

Toriyama (playing on phone, leaning back in chair): "Oh yeah?"

Producer: "Well, turns out a lot of internationals like Broli..."

Toriyama: "Who?" (Producer shows picture) "...who?"

Producer: "...moving on, they'd also like to see a female Super Saiyan, and maybe some way to bring Super Saiyan 4 into the story."

Toriyama (pulls out a bottle of Tequila and takes 3 shots): "Well guy I don't know what the hell that last thing is either, but I think I can help you out (grabs picture of Broli and starts drawing on it).

I'm 100% certain that is how Female LSSJ Broly was created.

[Grimlock]

Paradise grass not only affected Toyotaro, somehow it went straight to Toriyama too... That's the only reason I can think of to explain this randomness.