Why isn't Zamasu in Episode 75/76?

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Re: Why isn't Zamasu in Episode 75/76?

Post by Mnich » Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:30 pm

The_Destroyer wrote:The only two characters that are missing are Dabura and Raditz, really.
And we are gonna see Dabura in the next episode as he was seen in the preview.

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Re: Why isn't Zamasu in Episode 75/76?

Post by Merged Zamasu » Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:39 pm

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The_Destroyer wrote:The only two characters that are missing are Dabura and Raditz, really.
And we are gonna see Dabura in the next episode as he was seen in the preview.
Really? Cool, so it seems there will be more villains next episode.

Perhaps they willingly decided to hide Black/Zamasu so that when they reveal him in Ep.76, it will be a bigger surprise.

It's true that Zamasu's arc has just ended. But wasn't Cell brought back for a filler episode (the one where he got rekt by Pikkon) right after his arc had ended?

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Re: Why isn't Zamasu in Episode 75/76?

Post by The_Destroyer » Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:44 pm

Mnich wrote:
The_Destroyer wrote:The only two characters that are missing are Dabura and Raditz, really.
And we are gonna see Dabura in the next episode as he was seen in the preview.
I must of missed that :lol: . I was too focused on the next arc's preview.

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Are you doing this as a joke or something? To me it seems pretty weird, always talking about him stuff. Whatever floats your boat, I guess.
If you think i'm weird, you've yet to see Broly's fanboys. They are even worse. And, don't worry, you'll see plenty of them in the coming months.
How? To me it just seemed like Zamasu pissed him off, nothing to suggest Goki was scared of him.
It's illogical to believe Goku didn't fear Zamasu. Heck, the simple fact Goku decided to fuse with Vegeta is proof enough of the fact he was indeed scared by Zamasu's power.
So he was scared of Buu also? Yeah and he must of been scared of Hit too because he was forced to use kaioken.

No. They did it because they needed enough power to hurt Zamasu. They even said it. Goku didn't even once say "Yo Vegeta this is scary we gotta fuse now." If you want to see what true fear looks like, watch Krillin's fights.

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Re: Why isn't Zamasu in Episode 75/76?

Post by Merged Zamasu » Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:54 pm

So he was scared of Buu also? Yeah and he must of been scared of Hit too because he was forced to use kaioken.
Don't mention those trash characters when we're talking about the most noble of Gods. They pollute the thread.
No. They did it because they needed enough power to hurt Zamasu. They even said it. Goku didn't even once say "Yo Vegeta this is scary we gotta fuse now." If you want to see what true fear looks like, watch Krillin's fights.
If Goku had said that, he would've looked even more ridiculous than he already is. Obviously he must have feared Zamasu. If he was not terrified by what Zamasu had become, Goku is not a character with emotions, but an emotionless robot.

If someone becomes one with the Universe and starts incinerating the entire planet you're currently in, logic dictates you fear said person.

Toryama thinks you possess basic logic and thus understand everyone feared Zamasu, especially in Ep.67. You don't want to disappoint him, don't you?

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Re: Why isn't Zamasu in Episode 75/76?

Post by The_Destroyer » Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:22 pm

Merged Zamasu wrote:
So he was scared of Buu also? Yeah and he must of been scared of Hit too because he was forced to use kaioken.
Don't mention those trash characters when we're talking about the most noble of Gods. They pollute the thread.
No. They did it because they needed enough power to hurt Zamasu. They even said it. Goku didn't even once say "Yo Vegeta this is scary we gotta fuse now." If you want to see what true fear looks like, watch Krillin's fights.
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Merged Zamasu wrote: If Goku had said that, he would've looked even more ridiculous than he already is. Obviously he must have feared Zamasu. If he was not terrified by what Zamasu had become, Goku is not a character with emotions, but an emotionless robot.

If someone becomes one with the Universe and starts incinerating the entire planet you're currently in, logic dictates you fear said person.

Toryama thinks you possess basic logic and thus understand everyone feared Zamasu, especially in Ep.67. You don't want to disappoint him, don't you?
Goku is typically brave and doesn't show fear when facing enemies much more powerful than him. This is the same guy who was trying to steal Beerus's plate. He's not afraid of the God of Destruction. He's not afraid of Zeno. He sure as hell is afraid of Zamasu. You want to see fear? Watch movie 8 and see how Vegeta acts when sees Broly.

I guess it could be argued that he's afraid of what Zamasu would do if he won. But that's the case with every villain he faced.

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Re: Why isn't Zamasu in Episode 75/76?

Post by Kanassa » Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:35 pm

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If you think i'm weird, you've yet to see Broly's fanboys.
Nope, I've talked with many of the most extreme Broly fanboys. And you are still weirder.
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:

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Re: Why isn't Zamasu in Episode 75/76?

Post by SSJ Ace Son » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:03 pm

isnt he umm...well...yknow....dead....kinda... :clap:
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Re: Why isn't Zamasu in Episode 75/76?

Post by Doctor. » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:06 pm

Most likely Zamasu/Black are too recent and the episode is supposed to be a nostalgia trip of sorts (Freeza is also a recent villain, but he's so iconic that you cannot not have him). It's not hard to understand why.

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Re: Why isn't Zamasu in Episode 75/76?

Post by Freeza9000 » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:02 am

I'm more wondering about the fact that we didn't see Golden Freeza. Maybe he will appear in the actual full episode, just not the NEP, but if he doesn't appear, then I guess Toei is trying to tell us to forget the ROF arc. After all, ROF was a travesty. :lol: :lol:

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Re: Why isn't Zamasu in Episode 75/76?

Post by Merged Zamasu » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:15 am

Kanassa wrote:
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If you think i'm weird, you've yet to see Broly's fanboys.
Nope, I've talked with many of the most extreme Broly fanboys. And you are still weirder.
Cool, but irrelevant. Save your judgement for yourself.
SSJ Ace Son wrote:isnt he umm...well...yknow....dead....kinda... :clap:
Ah, i forgot Cell, Freeza and Nappa had been resurrected off-screen during the Future Trunks arc.
Most likely Zamasu/Black are too recent
Stop using this excuse please. They brought back Cell for a filler episode right after his arc had just ended. If they wanted to, they could do the same with Zamasu.

Why can't people understand that appearing in one filler episode is not the same as appearing in an entire arc?

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Re: Why isn't Zamasu in Episode 75/76?

Post by MKCSTEALTH » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:36 am

Most likely because they are all recent enemies from Super, whereas this next episode seems to be a tribute to the enemies of old. I mean Krillin shouldn't even know who King Piccolo is because he was dead during the entirety of that saga. It makes sense for Tambourine.

I think it's weird we're getting a Saiyan Saga Vegeta showing up. Would've rather Raditz. Doesn't make much sense. Does that imply that Krillin is still afraid of Vegeta?

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Re: Why isn't Zamasu in Episode 75/76?

Post by Puto » Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:39 am

It's obviously supposed to be all the major enemies that Kuririn had to deal with, as the episode is centred around his fear. Kuririn likely doesn't even know what Zamasu looks like and just barely saw Black, so it's no wonder they're not there.
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Re: Why isn't Zamasu in Episode 75/76?

Post by Merged Zamasu » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:19 am

Puto wrote:It's obviously supposed to be all the major enemies that Kuririn had to deal with, as the episode is centred around his fear. Kuririn likely doesn't even know what Zamasu looks like and just barely saw Black, so it's no wonder they're not there.
But he also doesn't know how King Piccolo looks like. I don't remember DB very well, but wasn't Krillin already dead when King Piccolo revelaed himself?

Furthermore, i will use the Other World arc as an example. The Other World arc is right after the Cell arc, yet Cell nonetheless made a cameo. Cell was still a very new villain at that time, yet he appeared alongside classic villains like Freeza and the Ginyu Force. If Cell had that privilege, to make a cameo right after his arc had ended and to interact with oldervillains, why shouldnt Zamasu also have said privilege?

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Re: Why isn't Zamasu in Episode 75/76?

Post by TheMathemagician » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:41 am

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Puto wrote:It's obviously supposed to be all the major enemies that Kuririn had to deal with, as the episode is centred around his fear. Kuririn likely doesn't even know what Zamasu looks like and just barely saw Black, so it's no wonder they're not there.
But he also doesn't know how King Piccolo looks like. I don't remember DB very well, but wasn't Krillin already dead when King Piccolo revelaed himself?

Furthermore, i will use the Other World arc as an example. The Other World arc is right after the Cell arc, yet Cell nonetheless made a cameo. Cell was still a very new villain at that time, yet he appeared alongside classic villains like Freeza and the Ginyu Force. If Cell had that privilege, to make a cameo right after his arc had ended and to interact with oldervillains, why shouldnt Zamasu also have said privilege?
It's true about Piccolo Daimao. But Daimao pretty much caused his first death in the first place. Daimao had more impact on Kuririn than Raditz, a guy Kuririn actually met. Zamasu doesn't hold much weight for Kuririn.
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Re: Why isn't Zamasu in Episode 75/76?

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Puto wrote:It's obviously supposed to be all the major enemies that Kuririn had to deal with, as the episode is centred around his fear. Kuririn likely doesn't even know what Zamasu looks like and just barely saw Black, so it's no wonder they're not there.
But he also doesn't know how King Piccolo looks like. I don't remember DB very well, but wasn't Krillin already dead when King Piccolo revelaed himself?

Furthermore, i will use the Other World arc as an example. The Other World arc is right after the Cell arc, yet Cell nonetheless made a cameo. Cell was still a very new villain at that time, yet he appeared alongside classic villains like Freeza and the Ginyu Force. If Cell had that privilege, to make a cameo right after his arc had ended and to interact with oldervillains, why shouldnt Zamasu also have said privilege?
Ok, let me try something else. Merged Zamasu was killed by "The" God Zeno, while destroying the universe at the same time. Keeping those things in mind, Merged Zamasu has no spiritual world (whether hell or heaven)to go after he died. He basically does not exist anymore.
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Re: Why isn't Zamasu in Episode 75/76?

Post by Merged Zamasu » Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:15 pm

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Merged Zamasu wrote:
Puto wrote:It's obviously supposed to be all the major enemies that Kuririn had to deal with, as the episode is centred around his fear. Kuririn likely doesn't even know what Zamasu looks like and just barely saw Black, so it's no wonder they're not there.
But he also doesn't know how King Piccolo looks like. I don't remember DB very well, but wasn't Krillin already dead when King Piccolo revelaed himself?

Furthermore, i will use the Other World arc as an example. The Other World arc is right after the Cell arc, yet Cell nonetheless made a cameo. Cell was still a very new villain at that time, yet he appeared alongside classic villains like Freeza and the Ginyu Force. If Cell had that privilege, to make a cameo right after his arc had ended and to interact with oldervillains, why shouldnt Zamasu also have said privilege?
Ok, let me try something else. Merged Zamasu was killed by "The" God Zeno, while destroying the universe at the same time. Keeping those things in mind, Merged Zamasu has no spiritual world (whether hell or heaven)to go after he died. He basically does not exist anymore.
On the other hand, what we see in the forest are obviously illusions. You don't think those we just saw are the real, original Cell, Freeza and Buu, do you?

Furthermore, i do have many doubts whether Merged Zamasu is truly dead. He trascended realities. His essence spread in other timelines as well. They can easily bring Merged Zamasu back by saying a fraction of his will had survived, hidden in another dimension which Zeno couldn't sense.

Zeno clearly holds no control whatsoever over time, otherwise there wouldn't be multiple Zenos.

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Re: Why isn't Zamasu in Episode 75/76?

Post by omaro34 » Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:43 pm

lol because Zamasu was just recently defeated and these are villains from Z and the original DB.
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Re: Why isn't Zamasu in Episode 75/76?

Post by Merged Zamasu » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:08 pm

omaro34 wrote:lol because Zamasu was just recently defeated and these are villains from Z and the original DB.
Will you stop using that excuse? I seriously wonder if some of you have trouble reading. I keep repeating the same things over and over again because there is always the one guy who uses arguments which i have already countered.
Furthermore, i will use the Other World arc as an example. The Other World arc is right after the Cell arc, yet Cell nonetheless made a cameo. Cell was still a very new villain at that time, yet he appeared alongside classic villains like Freeza and the Ginyu Force. If Cell had that privilege, to make a cameo right after his arc had ended and to interact with oldervillains, why shouldnt Zamasu also have said privilege?

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Re: Why isn't Zamasu in Episode 75/76?

Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:31 pm

I just assumed it was villains that Krillin had an emotional and physical connection with. So King Piccolo appearing was just a case of adding mental stress to the whole scenario for Krillin. As Tambourine is King Piccolo's offspring, so what would be worse than battling an apparition of the person who killed you? An apparition of the person who created the being that killed you. Like instead of just fighting a demon, you fight Satan himself. Just to make the scenario also more mentally daunting for Krillin. It could even perhaps perhaps a physiological effect on Krillin as he could possibility feel guilt through the proxy of Tambourine, especially since he would have an idea of the hell that Goku went through to kill King Piccolo, avenge his best friend's death, save the world and bring him back to life.
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Re: Why isn't Zamasu in Episode 75/76?

Post by Merged Zamasu » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:44 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:I just assumed it was villains that Krillin had an emotional and physical connection with. So King Piccolo appearing was just a case of adding mental stress to the whole scenario for Krillin. As Tambourine is King Piccolo's offspring, so what would be worse that battling and apparition of the person who killed you? An apparition of the person who created the being that killed you. Like instead of just fighting a demon, you fight Satan himself. Just to make the scenario also more mentally daunting for Krillin. It could even perhaps perhaps a physiological effect on Krillin as he could possibility feel guilt through the proxy of Tambourine, especially since he would have and idea of the hell that Goku went through to kill King Piccolo, avenge his best friends death, save the world and bring him back to life.
I hope Zamasu might appear in the next episode. We've seen Dabura in the Preview, despire the fact Dabura had not appeared in Ep.75. So maybe more villains will come back. Now i'm arguing against the crowd which thinks that, since Zamasu has appeared for 20 episodes (wow!! such a long arc!!), he can't possibly make a brief cameo.

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