The New Gods of the Universe Survival Arc Discussion Thread

[Low Tone G]

His central concept was human sin and the way it corrupted the whole universe and wanted restore the perfect utopia that was lost, by killing the sinners... And only differnce between him and Christ that he wanted not only the sin to disappear but the sinners too.

And Zamasu had a better plan and more active.

Yeah.. maybe he had... I think Zamas was the first god who seemed like a real myhtological figure so I don't really mind he was brought in.

[Kanassa]

His central concept was human sin and the way it corrupted the whole universe and wanted restore the perfect utopia that was lost, by killing the sinners... And only differnce between him and Christ that he wanted not only the sin to disappear but the sinners too.

And Zamasu had a better plan and more active.

Yeah.. maybe he had... I think Zamas was the first god who seemed like a real myhtological figure so I don't really mind he was brought in.

Christ was more like leaving the Earth after a one night stand, but forgot to leave while the Earth was sleeping. Zamasu at least had an all powerful umpalumpa implode his very being.

[ChronoTwigger]

After a very deep thinking, I've come to the idea all these gods are toys you can find in a kid room.
The clown and Brats dolls, the robot, Pinky the elephant, some cat, and I remember a toy that really look like the furry midget.



...Zeno playground.

[ZeroDio]

One Thing I hope happens in this Arc is Fem Broly & SSJ Cabba fights Goku & Vegeta

And after some intense fighting Goku or Vegeta tries to help Fem Broly out to achieve a SSJ Form that she can control (Something like a LSSJ Form minus the Bulging Muscles but with some added Traits from False SSJ & The Aura Style of SSJ Blue)

[Baggie_Saiyan]

It would be really cool if every GoD got a montage when they're introduced since like U6 arc it doesn't seem like they're gonna fight.

[Simere]

After a very deep thinking, I've come to the idea all these gods are toys you can find in a kid room.
The clown and Brats dolls, the robot, Pinky the elephant, some cat, and I remember a toy that really look like the furry midget.



...Zeno playground.

The Egyptian girl is his sex doll.

[Cipher]

You know everyone notices how Toriyama uses all the gods from mythologies, except for christianity, but maybe instead of using figures he's using the example of the trinity. Look at the podiums Each one has the top of each Universe is represented by 3 individuals they are all "linked" to each other. Essentially one being with three different roles. Kind of like the Judeo-Christian religion of having 3 beings be the heads of the universe, but act as one-ish.

Dr. Slump has a (typically weird, Toriyama-esque) take on a Judeo-Christian god. And angels, for that matter.

I'm not sure if Zamasu's whole halo schtick came from Toriyama or not, but that's also pulling from Christian iconography. As is his winged-angel manifestation.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

I don't know if its so much the artstyle itself, but the lack creativity to the designs themselves is what I see. I mean there really is no Toriyama style to them anymore.

I guess that's more or less what I disagree with. It's a different style than he was using in '96, but if you put these new designs in a lineup with Toei-created characters from any era ever, I think you could pick them out fairly easily. They're distinctly Toriyama and not at all as generic as I think you're casting them as; they're just 2010s Toriyama as opposed to '90s Toriyama. It's very much the post-Jaco style; rounder, sleeker, expressive, more stripped down. Toei has never designed incidental characters like that; they've never really captured the simpler designs.

For what it's worth, I don't think there's anything generic about the character designs in Jaco either. Tights, Jaco, Omori and Katayude would all stand out as distinctly Toriyama if you dropped them into another manga.

But a lot of that is in his drawing style, rather than the designs themselves if adapted by someone else. Which is why I love the designs by way of Toriyama, or picturing how they should look in his style, but in Super I agree they're kind of ... eh???

Maybe you could charge Toriyama with producing less adaptable designs than he did in the '90s?

I don't know what it is exactly. Maybe it isn't overall genericism or burn out because everyone in Jaco looked unique enough for whom they were.
I think the focus of my disappointment is really with the fact that the other Gods of destruction whom are major characters, did not get the same attention to detail that the rest of the main characters and villains get that people recognize. The Gods we have here no not look any different from those miscellaneous fighters in the Other World Tournament.

Toriyama barely had any bad designs during his manga days, he even designed all the movie villains and major characters. Every design that you just said was mediocre, is pretty good to me, so judging off his designs from the manga, movies, anime, and games. He's either didn't draw some of these characters or he's just not trying, I vote for the latter.
Edit: Or these God of Destruction or hiding their true form or something.

I honestly think Toei must have had a hand or he isn't trying because of how many characters that had to be made of this arc. (Which honestly didn't have to all be shown at once. They could have spread out when the other teams would be introduced for the excuse of needing mystery and just release 5 at a time.)

[ChronoTwigger]

Kind of like the Judeo-Christian religion of having 3 beings be the heads of the universe, but act as one-ish.

Sorry, but to be precise, those "3 beings" in CATHOLIC religion (no other one, really XD) are the same one. It only depend on how it want to show to you.

That's to avoid someone will end to think JUDEO (???No Jesus for them)-Christian are polytheistic anyway.

[dragonballgeek]

This isn't something that Toriyama pulled out of his butt. They are legit Dieties of Mythology.

Elephant= Ganesha

Clown= Loki

Wolf= Fenrir


I'm sure plenty of you knew this. This is for those who just assumed they were just being stupid with the designs. There is a method to the madness.

[IGhostUlt]

Also not everyone is going to look good. Wouldn't make sense since there's so many of them. It's all about balance

[Lujin_16]

And the Girl who is a God of Destruction is inspired by Bastet,Isis or Cleopatra i think i'm not sure

[alexhermit]

GT nailed the last coffin into that show and yet it came back only to embarrass itself more with crude toilet flushed humor, stilted bad animation and full of plot insisted stupidity. I bet Toriyama hasent even been in touched with anime/manga pop culture since like the 80s causing his creativity to drop to a level of potato while giving every single arc mediocre to poor level of story writing, plot consistency and most lamest possible character designs.

Infact with how much copy and pasting he does, he might aswell let a computer generated bot write his story instead. lmao

[dragonballgeek]

This isn't something that Toriyama pulled out of his butt. They are legit Dieties of Mythology.

Elephant= Ganesha

Clown= Loki

Wolf= Fenrir


I'm sure plenty of you knew this. This is for those who just assumed they were just being stupid with the designs. There is a method to the madness.

[Orb]

Toriyama's method of madness is a lack of one.

[ChronoTwigger]

Oh, please, stop this already.
Loki, the famous VIKING CLOWN?
Fenrir, the wolf... where did you see it?

Then you have the ROBOT god, the fatty cat...

No mythology here, not at all.

[dragonballgeek]

Oh, please, stop this already.
Loki, the famous VIKING CLOWN?
Fenrir, the wolf... where did you see it?

Then you have the ROBOT god, the fatty cat...

No mythology here, not at all.

Whatever you say man. Look it up, friend.

Regardless how you complain, they came from somewhere. And what's better is that you are still going to watch the show despite your complaining

[ChronoTwigger]

Oh, please, stop this already.
Loki, the famous VIKING CLOWN?
Fenrir, the wolf... where did you see it?

Then you have the ROBOT god, the fatty cat...

No mythology here, not at all.

Whatever you say man. Look it up, friend.

Regardless how you complain, they came from somewhere. And what's better is that you are still going to watch the show despite your complaining

I'm not complaining the show, that I surely enjoy more than much people here.
I'm complaining about guys trying to come with strange, forced and fake parallelisms they can't prove.

Those design came from... who know? Creatives are people that use creativity.

[Lance Freeman]

Anyone else notice that the clown has a woman with pigtails for his angel? Joker and Harley, much?

[Avok]

I couldn't care less to be honest. The clown, the robot and the furry thing look horrible.

The elephant and the fox are good.