Unpopular DB opinions

[Kokonoe]

With that said, I was enjoying the Super mangas and I'm just about to get into watching Super (I watched a episode or two a while back and thought it was more enjoyable by comparison).

You have some valid points that I agree with. BoG is pretty overrated, it's was enjoyable for me but not as Movie 9, 12 and 13.

Ah, glad I'm not entirely alone here! Oh man, I LOVE Fusion Reborn. I remember when they showed it real late in DBZ's life on Toonami I think on a weekend and it just felt like reliving DBZ again for me at the time. Really great movie, I also really like Tree of Might.

Pardon me going off-topic, but I like your avatar, even if I don't recognize it. :3

Thanks! It's Kaguya from Touhou, but wearing the attire of Valerie/Mache from Pokemon.

[ekrolo2]

I can see why people would dislike BoG, there are quite a few things about it that bug me too and I think that's the sole good inclusion of the new stuff period.

SSGod is a good concept even if the anime made it convoluted as fuck later, it's main problem is the same as Ultimate Gohan: it's too easy to attain. There's literally nothing stopping everyone from holding their hands and getting to God tier. There's no training involved or an emotional requirement like 4 to get it, just hold hands and boom! You can take Beerus on (and probably stomp Whis if you're Gohan or Gotenks). Plus the fight Goku has using the form is rather mediocre even if I appreciate the fact we have actual environmental variety for once in a Z battle.

Rageta, this doesn't need explaining. The ages being screwed up is a minor nitpick too. I don't mind Goku being cocky (he did beat Majin Boo and Freeza after all) or Vegeta acting like a tool. Those moments served the whole pride thing the movie was about, it isn't like Super where that same stuff happens but the context that makes it work is totally gone and replaced with nothing.

[Gog]

I would have wished that the franchise would have been more spaced travel, and alien based. You could still fit in the god's

[Kokonoe]

Other than Vegeta, who was different?

I prefer BoG to 13. 13 is okay, but the bad guy is just a giant monster, which is not nearly as interesting as a character with a personality.

Vegeta's was a big deal for me since his pride and well, going from how he usually is to the other spectrum was jarring for me.

Someone else who was different was actually Goku. His demeanor has him initially getting agitated of their brief spar, and he has this egotistical side of him that he's never portrayed, even in the Buu saga. In the past he showed his pride, but never in the way he is portrayed in Battle of the Gods. It kinda felt like he wasn't Goku at times, and I just had gotten finished rewatching the series at the time when I watched BotG.

He is seemingly okay that the world is going to be destroyed and all his friends murdered, which is a stark contrast compared to how motivated he'd get in the past, even if the odds were severely not in his favor, he'd still fight to save everyone. In general, he's just really a pushover in this film and it's really uncharacteristic of him, at least compared to the original series.

[Noah]

It's not an overrated film. Its just that you have different tastes, and opinions like any dead boy, put in a virtual world.

Pardon, but I'm willing to ask: are you craving for attention?

You've been posting a lot, it almost like you don't give a damn about your own posts and just want to have more in your count.

Ah, glad I'm not entirely alone here! Oh man, I LOVE Fusion Reborn. I remember when they showed it real late in DBZ's life on Toonami I think on a weekend and it just felt like reliving DBZ again for me at the time. Really great movie, I also really like Tree of Might.

Movie 12 was great, too bad Gogeta didn't have more screen time and oh I must rewatch Movie 3 some of these days, I remember what I most liked is all the Z gang fighting together in this.

[Doctor.]

Goku fought until he was out of power and even when he drops back to Earth he's still ready to fight Beerus. Sometimes you lose and you admit defeat, that doesn't mean you don't care.

One of the main themes of BoG, for Goku specifically, is recognizing your limits.

[ABED]

But he didn't go from zero to 100. It was a change that happened over time. When he admits that Goku is #1, that is him letting go of his insecurities. I'm confused about your view of Goku. I've seen the series all the way through several times and nothing struck me as out of character. When did he not fight to save his friends in BoG?

[Gog]

It's not an overrated film. Its just that you have different tastes, and opinions like any dead boy, put in a virtual world.

Pardon, but I'm willing to ask: are you craving for attention?

You've been posting a lot, it almost like you don't give a damn about your own posts and just want to have more in your count.

I just like posting a lot, it's an obsessional thing about me. I do care about what I post, it's just that I post a lot of things.

[Kokonoe]

But he didn't go from zero to 100. It was a change that happened over time. When he admits that Goku is #1, that is him letting go of his insecurities. I'm confused about your view of Goku. I've seen the series all the way through several times and nothing struck me as out of character. When did he not fight to save his friends in BoG?

I suppose it's more or less that the submissiveness just seemed different in contrast to how the narrative in the previous series was, and in that the character's portrayal changed a tad. It's not something that would ever occur in the original series, like even when he "gave up" for Cell per say, it was for a deliberate reason, for Gohan to ascend. His casual bargaining with Beerus in fear of what he might do was the unusual aspect of this, at least for me. On that end, I noticed the general tone of the film wasn't as "serious" in how even the side characters acted to the danger, like jokes are still going off in the fearful moments. Perhaps it's just a narrative thing.

I also felt the line, "underestimating me?", to be something clearly different than how Goku usually talks. The line just added a different kind of cockyness compared to his banter with his foes. It's something you'd expect Vegeta to say.

[ABED]

But he didn't go from zero to 100. It was a change that happened over time. When he admits that Goku is #1, that is him letting go of his insecurities. I'm confused about your view of Goku. I've seen the series all the way through several times and nothing struck me as out of character. When did he not fight to save his friends in BoG?

I suppose it's more or less that the submissiveness just seemed different in contrast to how the narrative in the previous series was, and in that the character's portrayal changed a tad. It's not something that would ever occur in the original series, like even when he "gave up" for Cell per say, it was for a deliberate reason, for Gohan to ascend. His casual bargaining with Beerus in fear of what he might do was the unusual aspect of this, at least for me. On that end, I noticed the general tone of the film wasn't as "serious" in how even the side characters acted to the danger, like jokes are still going off in the fearful moments. Perhaps it's just a narrative thing.

I also felt the line, "underestimating me?", to be something clearly different than how Goku usually talks. The line just added a different kind of cockyness compared to his banter with his foes. It's something you'd expect Vegeta to say.

Goku didn't give up for Gohan's sake. He gave up for strategic reasons. He knew he couldn't defeat Cell, but fought first to let Gohan see Cell fight.

DB is a goofy story. There's always been humor, even in some of the tensest moments.

I don't think "underestimating me" feels at all out of line with Goku. Are you primarily a dub fan?

[kinisking]

Speaking of the dubs, I think they're about equal. Some voices are better and some are worse in both. I still slightly prefer the dub because Goku and Gohan .

That comment was incredibly vague. What do you mean by "the dubs"? In the English Language region alone almost every series has at least two confirmed dubs in existence (the main exception is The Final Chapters, and by confirmed I mean the infamous Ocean Kai dub that still hasn't been released). Also, equal in what way? The scripts for the English dubs can vary to almost the same (Curse of the Blood Rubies with 1980s Harmony Gold, 1995 Funi/BLT, and 2010 Funi) to very different (Compare Funi's various dubs of DBZ with their dub of Kai for the equivalent episodes, or to stay with DBZ old Funi episode 54 and Remastered episode 67). The acting of course varies from dub to dub.

I'm sorry, I meant funimation and the sub.

[GTx10]

I think the Uncut Dub of Z is better then Uncut Kai's Dub. The dialogue feels more natural to me in the Uncut Z Dub. Yes, I'm dead serious. I just like the delivery of the lines and the inflection of the voices.
English Uncut Kai feels phoned in and the characters sound "hollow" and lack surprise. Big deal, so Sean says "Kaio-Ken" correctly or the dialogue is close to the Japanese dialogue. The correct dialogue makes Uncut English Kai sound cliche.

[The Patrolman]

I don't see how GT is better Super. Like some of the fanbase thinks.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I don't see how GT is better Super. Like some of the fanbase thinks.

Several members of the forum have gone into detail on the matter many times. I remember having a discussion about it just recently. If only my memory were worth a damn, I'd link you to it. I could type up a few paragraphs giving both sides and giving my opinion, but I'm really not in the mood. Either way, it's not a popular opinion, and I certainly find GT to be infinitely more of a bore than Super, although I think there's at least a case to be made for either.

[The Patrolman]

I don't see how GT is better Super. Like some of the fanbase thinks.

Several members of the forum have gone into detail on the matter many times. I remember having a discussion about it just recently. If only my memory were worth a damn, I'd link you to it. I could type up a few paragraphs giving both sides and giving my opinion, but I'm really not in the mood. Either way, it's not a popular opinion, and I certainly find GT to be infinitely more of a bore than Super, although I think there's at least a case to be made for either.

When you are in the mood could link it to me?

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Here's a whole thread about it: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=35880

[Kokonoe]

But he didn't go from zero to 100. It was a change that happened over time. When he admits that Goku is #1, that is him letting go of his insecurities. I'm confused about your view of Goku. I've seen the series all the way through several times and nothing struck me as out of character. When did he not fight to save his friends in BoG?

I suppose it's more or less that the submissiveness just seemed different in contrast to how the narrative in the previous series was, and in that the character's portrayal changed a tad. It's not something that would ever occur in the original series, like even when he "gave up" for Cell per say, it was for a deliberate reason, for Gohan to ascend. His casual bargaining with Beerus in fear of what he might do was the unusual aspect of this, at least for me. On that end, I noticed the general tone of the film wasn't as "serious" in how even the side characters acted to the danger, like jokes are still going off in the fearful moments. Perhaps it's just a narrative thing.

I also felt the line, "underestimating me?", to be something clearly different than how Goku usually talks. The line just added a different kind of cockyness compared to his banter with his foes. It's something you'd expect Vegeta to say.

Goku didn't give up for Gohan's sake. He gave up for strategic reasons. He knew he couldn't defeat Cell, but fought first to let Gohan see Cell fight.

DB is a goofy story. There's always been humor, even in some of the tensest moments.

I don't think "underestimating me" feels at all out of line with Goku. Are you primarily a dub fan?

Yeah, I'm a dub fan, but keep in mind I've also watched the entire sub a few times and read the manga. I suppose we just have different interpretations of the characters and events. For me, it's a noticeable difference, although for you you see it as more of the same. Because if it were the same (to me) I would've latched onto the movie, but there's something about it that is different all around, and all my previous criticisms are what I felt is different.

But yar, opinions. I'm hoping Super is more entertaining and DBZish to me, so I plan on watching that soon.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Yeah, I'm a dub fan, but keep in mind I've also watched the entire sub a few times and read the manga.

If you're primarily a fan of the old dubs, there are naturally going to be irreconcilable interpretive differences, since it comes from a different perspective. It doesn't matter that much if you've seen all versions, it matters where your focus is.

[Kokonoe]

Yeah, I'm a dub fan, but keep in mind I've also watched the entire sub a few times and read the manga.

If you're primarily a fan of the old dubs, there are naturally going to be irreconcilable interpretive differences, since it comes from a different perspective. It doesn't matter that much if you've seen all versions, it matters where your focus is.

Part of the reasons I watched the sub initially and read the manga was to get a clear example of what it was like before the dub, so my focus is where it needs to be for comparisons sake.

[Ki Breaker]

Frost is a great addition to Dragonball, as freeza couldn't be kept around..
This way we get freeza to be a character that stays and participates in tournaments