The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Gog]

Kuririn vs Saitama?

Satima punches him, and Kuririn explodes

[Zamasu55]

Merged Zamasu without immortality vs berrus

Bonus For those who saw strongest disciple kenichi

Kenichi at the end of series vs teen goku

Beerus wins even with immortality.

[dragon boss z]

Frost vs gotenks

Frost wins easily. Frost was significantly superior to base goku/vegeta and although they were more powerful in copy arc, there is no way they go from being infinitely weaker than gotenks to stomping him. Frost should be closer to buuhan if not above.

But even Gohan made Goku go ssj and even put up a good fight.

[nickzambuto]

Actually however Broly isn't a galaxy buster that's an actual misconception

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpHdgn3UaBc

The real misconception is that it's a misconception.

No, I'm going to state this, never once has the southern galaxy been refereed to as the, the southern quardret, in fact Dragon Ball Super outright disproves that misconception. By showing hundreds, upon, hundreds of galaxy's.

Wouldn't the fact that there's hundreds of galaxies prove there's more than four?

[Gog]

The real misconception is that it's a misconception.

No, I'm going to state this, never once has the southern galaxy been refereed to as the, the southern quardret, in fact Dragon Ball Super outright disproves that misconception. By showing hundreds, upon, hundreds of galaxy's.

Wouldn't the fact that there's hundreds of galaxies prove there's more than four?

Exactly so that mean's that the south galaxy isn't the southern quadret. And Broly never actually destroyed it, only ravaging the planets, and killing the civilizations. Guys Hulk flattens Broly.

[nickzambuto]

The real misconception is that it's a misconception.

No, I'm going to state this, never once has the southern galaxy been refereed to as the, the southern quardret, in fact Dragon Ball Super outright disproves that misconception. By showing hundreds, upon, hundreds of galaxy's.

Wouldn't the fact that there's hundreds of galaxies prove there's more than four?

Exactly so that mean's that the south galaxy isn't the southern quadret. And Broly never actually destroyed it, only ravaging the planets, and killing the civilizations. Guys Hulk flattens Broly.

What? If there are hundreds of galaxies inside what is referred to as the Northern Galaxy, then there would also be hundreds of galaxies inside of the Southern Galaxy. Broli was "attacking" an area of the universe containing hundreds of galaxies, and the beginning of the film blatantly shows him wiping out at least one.

[Gog]

What? If there are hundreds of galaxies inside what is referred to as the Northern Galaxy, then there would also be hundreds of galaxies inside of the Southern Galaxy. Broli was "attacking" an area of the universe containing hundreds of galaxies, and the beginning of the film blatantly shows him wiping out at least one.

Except for the fact that the southern galaxy is still there, it's blatantly stated that he's attacking it. Never once is the southern galaxy is refereed to as the southern quardert, don't know where you got that from. And it doesn't show him wiping out the southern galaxy, it's just an artistic representation of him attacking it from a young age.

[Ki Breaker]

Zamasu vs majin buu
Choose any incarnation of buu you want

[apex_pretador]

Merged Zamasu without immortality vs berrus

Bonus For those who saw strongest disciple kenichi

Kenichi at the end of series vs teen goku

Beerus kills him without any difficulty

Actually I'd back Hulk as even a weaker incarnation of him was actually capable of picking up a star. Also Hulk actually contrary to popular belief isn't slow. Coupled with his insane regeneration. The fact that he can take anything Broly throws at him, and dish out more.

Hulk smash

Hulk isn't slow but he is at best supersonic-hypersonic.

Zamasu vs majin buu
Choose any incarnation of buu you want

Buu with vegetto absorbed still dies.

Frost vs gotenks

Frost wins easily. Frost was significantly superior to base goku/vegeta and although they were more powerful in copy arc, there is no way they go from being infinitely weaker than gotenks to stomping him. Frost should be closer to buuhan if not above.

But even Gohan made Goku go ssj and even put up a good fight.

Gohan is strong currently. I'd put his current base >= his "mystic" base and Goku was holding back.

[Nejishiki]

Not when he oneshotted a galaxy buster.

The canon Goku and co? That's an entirely different debate.

Actually however Broly isn't a galaxy buster that's an actual misconception

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpHdgn3UaBc

The real misconception is that it's a misconception.

[spoiler]No, actually, he's a casual galaxy buster. He's an almost effortless galaxy buster, because the South Galaxy that he is "attacking" during the film is not just one galaxy. It's actually the South Quadrant. It's an entire quadrant of the universe. It's 1/4 of the universe, and it contains many galaxies in itself. In the beginning of the movie, we very blatantly, very obviously see Broli shutting down an entire galaxy, with hundreds of stars visible on-screen.

And this is nothing new. The movies always overpower the characters. SSJ3 Goku made the entire afterlife quake during Fusion Reborn. That's the size of our universe. But, as you yourself pointed out, in the actual canon, Super Perfect Cell was a solar system buster. Is SSJ3 Goku one hundred billion times stronger than Super Perfect Cell? Probably not. In the manga, he only made the planet quake. It's the movies that exaggerated things.

And it's not just that the feats happen to be arbitrarily greater in the movies. No, Toei is doing it on purpose. Because even the stated power levels are higher. Tree of Might, which came out during the Saiyans arc era, has Piccolo with a power level of 18,000, and Goku with, what, 30,000? Even though their counterparts at the time were like, 3,000 and 8,000.

Cell is a solar system buster and Broli is a galaxy buster.

Boo is... somewhere higher than Cell, somewhere between solar system and galaxy (which is a large space to occupy). Janemba is outright universal.

In conclusion, Broli is underrated and was pretty much the strongest Dragon Ball character until gods showed up. Which makes complete sense and was the entire point, he fulfilled the actual legend of the Super Saiyan, which demanded he be the mightiest warrior in the universe.[/spoiler]

Dragon Ball Z Movie 08 describes the South Galaxy (there's no southern quadrat) as "destroyed" & nothing else. Paragus claims he'll rule North, East, & West Galaxies with no mention of the South Galaxy. Here's where matters become complicated: North Kaio asks Goku to check the South Galaxy. From this, one must conclude Broli annihilated most of the South Galaxy. Using Goku's expository thoughts, he confirms though implication that Broli rampaged planet to planet. Using planet Shamo, it's described as being one of the planets the Legendary Super Saiyan rampaged through before its natives evacuated. The film never directly states New Vegeta is in the South Galaxy but you can infer this information based on the entire film. Furthermore, Paragus claims he'll later start his empire on planet Earth of the North Galaxy, meaning he's not there yet.

銀河
Galaxy
A gathering of local planets in the universe. Planets gather and form a nebula, and beyond that, a collection of gathered nebulae is called a galaxy. The four Kaiou who rule over the east, west, south, and north [sections] of the universe actually govern these galaxies. Because the Kami in the Heavenly Realm and the Kaiou supervise the galaxies that exist infinitely in all the universe, the sections known as the East, West, South, and North Galaxies are denominations that came into use through their duty.

Finally, Broli was not attacking the South Galaxy "at a young age". Those attacks were all current events in the film.

[Gog]

Dragon Ball Z Movie 08 describes the South Galaxy (there's no southern quadrat) as "destroyed" & nothing else. Paragus claims he'll rule North, East, & West Galaxies with no mention of the South Galaxy. Here's where matters become complicated: North Kaio asks Goku to check the South Galaxy. From this, one must conclude Broli annihilated most of the South Galaxy. Using Goku's expository thoughts, he confirms though implication that Broli rampaged planet to planet. Using planet Shamo, it's described as being one of the planets the Legendary Super Saiyan rampaged through before its natives evacuated. The film never directly states New Vegeta is in the South Galaxy but you can infer this information based on the entire film. Furthermore, Paragus claims he'll later start his empire on planet Earth of the North Galaxy, meaning he's not there yet.

銀河
Galaxy
A gathering of local planets in the universe. Planets gather and form a nebula, and beyond that, a collection of gathered nebulae is called a galaxy. The four Kaiou who rule over the east, west, south, and north [sections] of the universe actually govern these galaxies. Because the Kami in the Heavenly Realm and the Kaiou supervise the galaxies that exist infinitely in all the universe, the sections known as the East, West, South, and North Galaxies are denominations that came into use through their duty.

Finally, Broli was not attacking the South Galaxy "at a young age". Those attacks were all current events in the film.

Which all confirm my thoughts, that Broly never destroyed stars, but destroyed what really mattered the people, and civilizations. Over a long period of time.

[Khin]

Kuririn vs Saitama?

Kuririn wins, probably. His highest recorded battle power was 75,000 (at start of the battle with Freeza), and even at that time his power was said to be still growing - said battle power is way beyond Vegeta's planet-busting Gyarik-ho, which sits at around 18,000.

Meanwhile, Saitama's best feat so far was when he deflected Boros' planet-busting blast with a serious punch, but the blast being said to be able to bust the planet is anime-only, it's highly questionable whether if it's the same in the manga. And Freeza-era Kuririn could easily do said feat as well.

If we base the match through hype and speculations, then Saitama would probably win, but if we base the match through feats and actual showing, then Kuririn wins.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Dragon Ball Z Movie 08 describes the South Galaxy (there's no southern quadrat) as "destroyed" & nothing else. Paragus claims he'll rule North, East, & West Galaxies with no mention of the South Galaxy. Here's where matters become complicated: North Kaio asks Goku to check the South Galaxy. From this, one must conclude Broli annihilated most of the South Galaxy. Using Goku's expository thoughts, he confirms though implication that Broli rampaged planet to planet. Using planet Shamo, it's described as being one of the planets the Legendary Super Saiyan rampaged through before its natives evacuated. The film never directly states New Vegeta is in the South Galaxy but you can infer this information based on the entire film. Furthermore, Paragus claims he'll later start his empire on planet Earth of the North Galaxy, meaning he's not there yet.

銀河
Galaxy
A gathering of local planets in the universe. Planets gather and form a nebula, and beyond that, a collection of gathered nebulae is called a galaxy. The four Kaiou who rule over the east, west, south, and north [sections] of the universe actually govern these galaxies. Because the Kami in the Heavenly Realm and the Kaiou supervise the galaxies that exist infinitely in all the universe, the sections known as the East, West, South, and North Galaxies are denominations that came into use through their duty.

Finally, Broli was not attacking the South Galaxy "at a young age". Those attacks were all current events in the film.

Surely he must have started attacking a while ago to have even made a dent in the galaxy. Let's say it's an extremely tiny galaxy and only has 100 million stars, even if he was destroying a star every minute, accounting for sleep it would take him ~3 years to even go through even 1% of the galaxy.

[nickzambuto]

Dragon Ball Z Movie 08 describes the South Galaxy (there's no southern quadrat) as "destroyed" & nothing else. Paragus claims he'll rule North, East, & West Galaxies with no mention of the South Galaxy. Here's where matters become complicated: North Kaio asks Goku to check the South Galaxy. From this, one must conclude Broli annihilated most of the South Galaxy. Using Goku's expository thoughts, he confirms though implication that Broli rampaged planet to planet. Using planet Shamo, it's described as being one of the planets the Legendary Super Saiyan rampaged through before its natives evacuated. The film never directly states New Vegeta is in the South Galaxy but you can infer this information based on the entire film. Furthermore, Paragus claims he'll later start his empire on planet Earth of the North Galaxy, meaning he's not there yet.

銀河
Galaxy
A gathering of local planets in the universe. Planets gather and form a nebula, and beyond that, a collection of gathered nebulae is called a galaxy. The four Kaiou who rule over the east, west, south, and north [sections] of the universe actually govern these galaxies. Because the Kami in the Heavenly Realm and the Kaiou supervise the galaxies that exist infinitely in all the universe, the sections known as the East, West, South, and North Galaxies are denominations that came into use through their duty.

Finally, Broli was not attacking the South Galaxy "at a young age". Those attacks were all current events in the film.

Surely he must have started attacking a while ago to have even made a dent in the galaxy. Let's say it's an extremely tiny galaxy and only has 100 million stars, even if he was destroying a star every minute, accounting for sleep it would take him ~3 years to even go through even 1% of the galaxy.

Meaning he was destroying much more than one star per minute.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Meaning he was destroying much more than one star per minute.

Unless Saiyan ships suddenly became much faster, travel time alone would stop that from being possible.

[dragon boss z]

Frost wins easily. Frost was significantly superior to base goku/vegeta and although they were more powerful in copy arc, there is no way they go from being infinitely weaker than gotenks to stomping him. Frost should be closer to buuhan if not above.

But even Gohan made Goku go ssj and even put up a good fight.

Gohan is strong currently. I'd put his current base >= his "mystic" base and Goku was holding back.

That doesn't make any sense. Gohan confirmed he doesn't train anymore and he had to go ssj just to fight some scrub that Jaco could of killed with his ship's laser. Gohan is maybe around where he was at the beginning of the Buu saga, possibly even weaker until he proves he can go ssj2 again.

[Gog]

Or we could just say that Broly wasn't destroying stars, but planets, but more importantly the civilizations. Makes a tad but more sense.

[dragon boss z]

Kuririn vs Saitama?

Kuririn wins, probably. His highest recorded battle power was 75,000 (at start of the battle with Freeza), and even at that time his power was said to be still growing - said battle power is way beyond Vegeta's planet-busting Gyarik-ho, which sits at around 18,000.

Meanwhile, Saitama's best feat so far was when he deflected Boros' planet-busting blast with a serious punch, but the blast being said to be able to bust the planet is anime-only, it's highly questionable whether if it's the same in the manga. And Freeza-era Kuririn could easily do said feat as well.

If we base the match through hype and speculations, then Saitama would probably win, but if we base the match through feats and actual showing, then Kuririn wins.

Krillin's highest recorded power level was just over 10,000 in the manga, and said to be 13,000 in the daizenshuu. V-jump put Krillin's power level at 75,000 during the Frieza fight, however V-jump is not an accurate source with clear power level mistakes, such has putting Kami below Popo and King Piccolo.

[dragon boss z]

Or we could just say that Broly wasn't destroying stars, but planets, but more importantly the civilizations. Makes a tad but more sense.

Ya I look at the scene of Broly destroying a galaxy the same as King Vegeta busting 3 planets with just a raise of his hand while he was standing on it. They are just hyperbole scenes to signify the the destruction they cause. Broly logically shouldn't be a galaxy buster and King Vegeta logically shouldn't be a casual triple planet buster, nor should he be able to survive a planet explosion since he can't breathe in space. Also it wouldn't even make sense for him to destroy those planets since saiyans are just supposed to clear the life on the planet so they can sell it.

[Nejishiki]

God & Mr. Popo's 220 & 1030 Battle Powers are from Weekly Shounen Jump, not V-Jump. V-Jump is usually more in tune with the databook information so let's refrain from abandoning context.

EDIT: Furthermore, Kuririn's Battle Power is confirmed to be a standing 1083 in the anime adaption of Dragon Ball while it's ambiguous in the original story (the figure is there but it's not placed for anyone in particular). Daizenshuu 7 claims Kuririn's full Battle Power is 1770 against Nappa & Vegeta & a standard 13000 against Reacoom.