The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Khin]

Krillin's highest recorded power level was just over 10,000 in the manga, and said to be 13,000 in the daizenshuu. V-jump put Krillin's power level at 75,000 during the Frieza fight, however V-jump is not an accurate source with clear power level mistakes, such has putting Kami below Popo and King Piccolo.

There's nothing that contradicts Kuririn being 75,000 at the start of the battle Freeza. In fact, it even supports everything that points towards Kuririn's power throughout the Freeza arc - such as Kuririn being shown to be able kept up with Ginyu (whose battle power is 23,000), and Vegeta's comment Kuririn and Gohan's power currently rising and considering them as being useful against Freeza.

Plus, while there's definitely some questionable battle power in the V-Jump, Kami being listed as weaker than Piccolo Daimao could be simply because he got weaker due to his age. And Mr. Popo being listed as stronger than Kami could also be due to him training the earthlings in preparation for the Saiyans, which results in him getting stronger.

[dragonball0900]

Krillin's highest recorded power level was just over 10,000 in the manga, and said to be 13,000 in the daizenshuu. V-jump put Krillin's power level at 75,000 during the Frieza fight, however V-jump is not an accurate source with clear power level mistakes, such has putting Kami below Popo and King Piccolo.

Krillin managed to fight alone (Gohan wasn't there at the moment) in a panel of the manga against Ginyu Goku, and the battle seemed equally. The only reason they didn't win is because of what Vegeta said, they didn't want to damage Goku's body. Gohan could easily be 30,000 or more at this point.

There's nothing that contradicts Kuririn being 75,000 at the start of the battle Freeza. In fact, it even supports everything that points towards Kuririn's power throughout the Freeza arc - such as Kuririn being shown to be able kept up with Ginyu (whose battle power is 23,000), and Vegeta's comment Kuririn and Gohan's power currently rising and considering them as being useful against Freeza.

Well to be fair, at the start of the battle with Frieza is just too early to put the 75,000. Krillin was only a bit superior to Ginyu Goku just some time ago in the same day without any battle. If there's a moment for that 75,000 reading, then it's at the end of the battle with Frieza. Gohan's 200,000 could also be from the zenkai he got from Dende.

I have managed to make a multiplier for Krillin's boosts in Namek:

13,000 x1.8 = 23,400 - This number is around the same as Ginyu Goku who is 23,000.

23,400 x1.8 = 42,000 - This could be the number Krillin had at the start of the battle with Frieza.

42,000 x1.8 = 75,000 - It seems to make sense. We finally got to 75,000! The multiplier certainly works here.

[TheUltimateNinja]

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Plus, while there's definitely some questionable battle power in the V-Jump, Kami being listed as weaker than Piccolo Daimao could be simply because he got weaker due to his age. And Mr. Popo being listed as stronger than Kami could also be due to him training the earthlings in preparation for the Saiyans, which results in him getting stronger.

Kami was able to finger flick Post-Divine Water Goku who was just as strong if not stronger than Young Piccolo, and he was already quite old by then. I doubt with just a few more years he'd suddenly tank below Piccolo.

[dragonball0900]

I agree that Kami wouldn't be below King Piccolo. That 220 number doesn't make sense at all. It would be strange for Kami to lose a lot of power.

[Khin]

Just for the record, Kami and Mr. Popo's battle power are from the Weekly Shonen Jump, not the V-Jump issue, just a correction (I forgot about this).

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Your multiplier surprisingly works well, but there's nothing wrong with Kuririn being 75,000 at the start of the battle, his power was constantly rising, after all.

Some time has passed since their battle with Ginyu, after they defeat him, they take Goku to the healing machine, changed clothes, Kuririn then went to meet Dende, they stole the Dragon Balls, and grant their wish, then Freeza arrived. That was quite a good amount of time for Kuririn to went from 20,000-25,000-ish battle power to 75,000.

Kami was able to finger flick Post-Divine Water Goku who was just as strong if not stronger than Young Piccolo, and he was already quite old by then. I doubt with just a few more years he'd suddenly tank below Piccolo.

Imagine a 75 year old man and compare him to when he was 5 years ago. A lot can possibly change to people who are old. It's certainly plausible for him to become weaker than the Daimao in several years, especially when he do nothing but hang around in his place and oversee the world.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Imagine a 75 year old man and compare him to when he was 5 years ago. A lot can possibly change to people who are old. It's certainly plausible for him to become weaker than the Daimao in several years, especially when he do nothing but hang around in his place and oversee the world.

We know that he was even stronger at the 23rd TB since he was able to put up a bit of a fight against Piccolo and Tenshinhan who had surpassed Young Piccolo said Kami far surpassed any conceivable level, I just don't see him going from that to being much weaker than Piccolo and Popo in 5 years, especially not nearly 5x weaker than Popo who is apparently nearly as strong as Raditz which is nonsensical.

[Khin]

We know that he was even stronger at the 23rd TB since he was able to put up a bit of a fight against Piccolo and Tenshinhan who had surpassed Young Piccolo said Kami far surpassed any conceivable level, I just don't see him going from that to being much weaker than Piccolo and Popo in 5 years, especially not nearly 5x weaker than Popo who is apparently nearly as strong as Raditz which is nonsensical.

The earthlings reached the thousand mark by training, so why is Popo (who was training them) reaching that level as well nonsensical? And like I said before, a lot can change to an old person in just a span of 5 years. Hell, Kami could have been so much stronger than Piccolo Daimao that even getting much weaker for several years he was still strong enough to finger-flick someone at his level.

[TheUltimateNinja]

We know that he was even stronger at the 23rd TB since he was able to put up a bit of a fight against Piccolo and Tenshinhan who had surpassed Young Piccolo said Kami far surpassed any conceivable level, I just don't see him going from that to being much weaker than Piccolo and Popo in 5 years, especially not nearly 5x weaker than Popo who is apparently nearly as strong as Raditz which is nonsensical.

The earthlings reached the thousand mark by training, so why is Popo (who was training them) reaching that level as well nonsensical? And like I said before, a lot can change to an old person in just a span of 5 years. Hell, Kami could have been so much stronger than Piccolo Daimao that even getting much weaker for several years he was still strong enough to finger-flick someone at his level.

They should have given Goku that same training. Or just done it themselves since in the end Kami was willing to go and finish it himself.

[dragon boss z]

Krillin's highest recorded power level was just over 10,000 in the manga, and said to be 13,000 in the daizenshuu. V-jump put Krillin's power level at 75,000 during the Frieza fight, however V-jump is not an accurate source with clear power level mistakes, such has putting Kami below Popo and King Piccolo.

There's nothing that contradicts Kuririn being 75,000 at the start of the battle Freeza. In fact, it even supports everything that points towards Kuririn's power throughout the Freeza arc - such as Kuririn being shown to be able kept up with Ginyu (whose battle power is 23,000), and Vegeta's comment Kuririn and Gohan's power currently rising and considering them as being useful against Freeza.

Plus, while there's definitely some questionable battle power in the V-Jump, Kami being listed as weaker than Piccolo Daimao could be simply because he got weaker due to his age. And Mr. Popo being listed as stronger than Kami could also be due to him training the earthlings in preparation for the Saiyans, which results in him getting stronger.

Keeping up with a Ginyu who doesn't know how to use Goku's body really isn't that impressive. And Gohan was helping. I would say Krillin was maybe close to 20,000.

Krillin's highest recorded power level was just over 10,000 in the manga, and said to be 13,000 in the daizenshuu. V-jump put Krillin's power level at 75,000 during the Frieza fight, however V-jump is not an accurate source with clear power level mistakes, such has putting Kami below Popo and King Piccolo.

Krillin managed to fight alone (Gohan wasn't there at the moment) in a panel of the manga against Ginyu Goku, and the battle seemed equally. The only reason they didn't win is because of what Vegeta said, they didn't want to damage Goku's body. Gohan could easily be 30,000 or more at this point.

Krillin only matched Ginyu for a short time, and in the scan above you can see Gohan was their to help and he was about to get hit. I would put both him around the 20,000 range, but I don't think Krillin got much stronger than that.

[Noah]

New matches (equal power/limited stamina):

- Future Trunks (early Android arc) vs. General Blue
- Goku vs. Nappa
- Kid Gohan (Saiyan arc) vs. Cyborg Tao
- Piccolo vs. Vegeta
- Super Perfect Cell vs. Golden Oozaru Baby-Vegeta
- Tenshinhan vs. Kid Boo (No candy beam/planet destruction)
- Yamcha vs. Dr. Gero

[dragonball0900]

Krillin only matched Ginyu for a short time, and in the scan above you can see Gohan was their to help and he was about to get hit. I would put both him around the 20,000 range, but I don't think Krillin got much stronger than that.

Vegeta said that the reason Gohan and Krillin couldn't defeat Ginyu is because they didn't want to hurt Goku's body. They were holding back all the time.

[DanielSSJ]

EDIT: Furthermore, Kuririn's Battle Power is confirmed to be a standing 1083 in the anime adaption of Dragon Ball while it's ambiguous in the original story (the figure is there but it's not placed for anyone in particular). Daizenshuu 7 claims Kuririn's full Battle Power is 1770 against Nappa & Vegeta & a standard 13000 against Reacoom.

I think the 1,083 number was supposed to be a not-at-full-power number, given how Vegeta immediately tells Nappa that that figure (and the ones he rattled off for Gohan and Piccolo) is worthless since the Earthlings can suppress their power.

New matches (equal power/limited stamina):

- Future Trunks (early Android arc) vs. General Blue
- Goku vs. Nappa
- Kid Gohan (Saiyan arc) vs. Cyborg Tao
- Piccolo vs. Vegeta
- Super Perfect Cell vs. Golden Oozaru Baby-Vegeta
- Tenshinhan vs. Kid Boo (No candy beam/planet destruction)
- Yamcha vs. Dr. Gero

- Trunks has a clear advantage being able to manipulate Ki and whatnot, though Blue might very well be able to manage something with his paralysis technique.
- Nappa's built like a tank, but Goku is far more skilled and is more level-headed. It's a long and drawn out battle, but I think Goku comes out on top in the end.
- Gohan probably has superior Ki control, but Taopaipai has superior hand-to-hand skills and far more experience, not to mention that at this point in time, Gohan isn't used to fighting, so he probably won't be able to give his all due to fear. Taopaipai wins by a landslide.
- In straightforward ability, Vegeta and Piccolo are nearly even, so it comes down to their special characteristics. Vegeta's a particularly tenacious bastard and can take hits like a mofo, but Piccolo has a wide assortment of special techniques and unique abilities. It's a close one, but my money's on Piccolo.
- Something tells me that Cell would have a skill advantage over the parasite.
- If Boo loses his never-ending stamina, then one of his biggest advantages goes right out the window. Even so, Tenshinhan would be hard-pressed to get a handle on Boo's fighting style, loose cannon that he is. All in all, I think Tenshinhan comes out on top six times out of ten.
- Depends on if Yamcha knows about Gero's energy absorption ability going in or not. If he does and is careful to avoid shooting ki blasts or being grabbed, I would say that he wins. Otherwise, Gero would absorb a Kamehameha or Sokidan, and Yamcha gets Yamcha'd

[Gog]

Equal power levels.

Nappa V Broly.

[dragon boss z]

Krillin only matched Ginyu for a short time, and in the scan above you can see Gohan was their to help and he was about to get hit. I would put both him around the 20,000 range, but I don't think Krillin got much stronger than that.

Vegeta said that the reason Gohan and Krillin couldn't defeat Ginyu is because they didn't want to hurt Goku's body. They were holding back all the time.

Did he say that in the manga?

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

I think the 1,083 number was supposed to be a not-at-full-power number, given how Vegeta immediately tells Nappa that that figure (and the ones he rattled off for Gohan and Piccolo) is worthless since the Earthlings can suppress their power.

That's what I gathered. Also consider when Tien one-shotted the Saibamen shortly after the numbers were mentioned. If Tien was just barely above a thousand he would have struggled in the fight. The Z fighters being around 30-60% higher than Raditz power level makes sense. I can imagine Piccolo was around 2000.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Zamasu vs majin buu
Choose any incarnation of buu you want

I think any version of Buu can defeat Zamasu. Since I'm confident SSJ2 Trunks can beat Zamasu if he didn't have immortality, but Trunks I don't think was near Buu yet in any form.

[DanielSSJ]

Did he say that in the manga?

It wasn't necessarily stated outright, but Vegeta does insinuate that Kuririn and Gohan haven't done away with Ginyu yet because he looks like Goku. It's actually in the scan you put up above.

[Nejishiki]

EDIT: Furthermore, Kuririn's Battle Power is confirmed to be a standing 1083 in the anime adaption of Dragon Ball while it's ambiguous in the original story (the figure is there but it's not placed for anyone in particular). Daizenshuu 7 claims Kuririn's full Battle Power is 1770 against Nappa & Vegeta & a standard 13000 against Reacoom.

I think the 1,083 number was supposed to be a not-at-full-power number, given how Vegeta immediately tells Nappa that that figure (and the ones he rattled off for Gohan and Piccolo) is worthless since the Earthlings can suppress their power.

Yeah, I'm aware. I acknowledged that it's a "standing" figure while later providing his "full power" reading.

[Ki Breaker]

Zamasu vs majin buu
Choose any incarnation of buu you want

I think any version of Buu can defeat Zamasu. Since I'm confident SSJ2 Trunks can beat Zamasu if he didn't have immortality, but Trunks I don't think was near Buu yet in any form.

That's what I think too, but the results of these matchups are so varied as of now, doing them don't even make sense anymore..

[dragon boss z]

Did he say that in the manga?

It wasn't necessarily stated outright, but Vegeta does insinuate that Kuririn and Gohan haven't done away with Ginyu yet because he looks like Goku. It's actually in the scan you put up above.

Well it was a 2v1 and both of them were close to 20k and Krillin had moves like the kienzan. Not to mention Ginyu didn't know any of his moves or how his body works so even if he was at 23k he might of been fighting like he was weaker than that. Also Vegeta just likes to be a dick, lol.