Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[rereboy]

your seeing things.

No, I'm not.

Your right, except for the fact that even the worst version of Goku, when told of his wife, and child's death at the hand of black, flipped out, and started crushing him effortlessly. Here there's nothing

You mean, after he found their bodies and spend time collecting them all, digging up graves and burying them all, and without their killer there in front of him taunting him, he's not shown having exactly the same reaction? Somehow, doesn't seem surprising.

That still doesn't change the fact that his friends, and his son are gone now, forever, and he doesn't even have the power to resurrect his other friends. There is something to be sad about, and angry about for son Goku, his child, and all of his friends are now dead. There's not even a single panel of him screaming and powering up, or any of that.

Just like there isn't a panel of him finding them. Realizing they were dead. Digging up the graves. Burying them.

[Gog]

No, I'm not.

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You really are, there's not a single tear on his face.

You mean, after he found their bodies and spend time collecting them all, digging up graves and burying them all, and without their killer there in front of him taunting him, he's not shown having exactly the same reaction? Somehow, doesn't seem surprising.

No, I'd expect Goku to have completely flipped out when he found their corpses, but I'd imagine that happened before. It's just baffling why they wouldn't include it, I'm also surprised that he was capable of shrugging off the death of his family so quick, but whatever

Just like there isn't a panel of him finding them. Realizing they were dead. Digging up the graves. Burying them.

Just like there isn't a panel of him finding them, his heart breaking and screaming into the skies, then digging their graves, etcetra

[rereboy]

You really are, there's not a single tear on his face.

I clearly mentioned that his "eyes were bright with tears", not that he had tears on his face. Look at his pupils, they have a white hue that is gone in the next panel.

No, I'd expect Goku to have completely flipped out when he found their corpses, but I'd imagine that happened before. It's just baffling why they wouldn't include it, I'm also surprised that he was capable of shrugging off the death of his family so quick, but whatever

Because the point of the special is not to waste panels on Goku having a cry and so on like this was some sort of a drama movie.

Just like there isn't a panel of him finding them, his heart breaking and screaming into the skies, then digging their graves, etcetra

"Because the point of the special is not to waste panels on Goku having a cry and so on like this was some sort of a drama movie."

[Gog]

I clearly mentioned that his "eyes were bright with tears", not that he had tears on his face. Look at his pupils, they have a white hue that is gone in the next panel.

I actually went through the effort of putting the page i another tab, and zooming in on the panel, that you stated his eyes were bright with tears in. I didn't actually find anything... I can't believe that we're arguing whenever or not Goku cried.

Because the point of the special is not to waste panels on Goku having a cry and so on like this was some sort of a drama movie.

Because this is a short web comic, that unfortunately cannot focus on any good character moments, as its not kewl enough, unlike 6th for King cold, or something like that

"Because the point of the special is not to waste panels on Goku having a cry and so on like this was some sort of a drama movie."

Because this is a short web comic, that unfortunately cannot focus on any good character moments, as its not kewl enough, unlike 6th for King cold, or something like that

[rereboy]

I actually went through the effort of putting the page i another tab, and zooming in on the panel, that you stated his eyes were bright with tears in. I didn't actually find anything... I can't believe that we're arguing whenever or not Goku cried.

I can't see for you. In the panel I mentioned, his pupils clearly have a white hue that is gone in the next panel. I interpreted that as his eyes being temporarily bright with tears before the Piccolo-like Ki draws his attention. If you interpret it differently that's up to you and if you can't see the white hue, like I said, I can't see for you.

Because this is a short web comic, that unfortunately cannot focus on any good character moments, as its not kewl enough, unlike 6th for King cold, or something like that

In the original manga, Goku arrived on Namek, found his son dying with a broken neck and didn't even skip a beat or showed any particular anger. Darn that Toriyama for skipping that and then giving Freeza like 4 transformations, unnecessarily. He should see more drama movies, learn a thing or two.

[Gog]

I can't see for you. In the panel I mentioned, his pupils clearly have a white hue that is gone in the next panel. I interpreted that as his eyes being temporarily bright with tears before the Piccolo-like Ki draws his attention. If you interpret it differently that's up to you and if you can't see the white hue, like I said, I can't see for you.

Actually I checked again, and there are white spots in his eyes, you were right. I'm actually sad that Nail interrupted him, would have liked to see Goku cry, especially considering that this is meant to be a much darker chapter.

In the original manga, Goku arrived on Namek, found his son dying with a broken neck and didn't even skip a beat or showed any particular anger. Darn that Toriyama for skipping that and then giving Freeza like 4 transformations, unnecessarily. He should see more drama movies, learn a thing or two.

You mean Goku, who one shotted Recome, and gave his son a Senzu bean, who clearly showed worry for Gohan. He didn't show much anger, as he had a chance of saving his son that time, and he was also in complete control of the situation, because who was going to stop him Recome? You mean darn that Slagir for skipping past a potentially amazing character moment, but nope Goku, and Nail need to team up quickly so that they can exterminate all the nin-PTO

[rereboy]

You mean Goku, who one shotted Recome, and gave his son a Senzu bean, who clearly showed worry for Gohan. He didn't show much anger, as he had a chance of saving his son that time, and he was also in complete control of the situation, because who was going to stop him Recome? You mean darn that Slagir for skipping past a potentially amazing character moment, but nope Goku, and Nail need to team up quickly so that they can exterminate all the nin-PTO

I didn't say that he didn't save Gohan. I said that he didn't show any particular anger or skipped a beat. And he didn't. He was perfectly calm and relaxed about the whole thing and he defeated Reccome when he needed to defeat Reccome without showing him any real ill will.

You seem to not understand that you are basically criticizing Dragon Ball-like tropes. Not really focusing on drama? That's Dragon Ball-like. Focusing much more on fighting? That's Dragon Ball-like. New power-ups and transformations? That's Dragon Ball-like. You might as well have a go at the original manga while you are at it, then, for consistency's sake.

[Gog]

I didn't say that he didn't save Gohan. I said that he didn't show any particular anger or skipped a beat. And he didn't. He was perfectly calm and relaxed about the whole thing and he defeated Reccome when he needed to defeat Reccome without showing him any real ill will.

yes, as Goku had the whole entire situation in his hands, he was the strongest, he had senzu beans, and if Recome had killed Gohan, Goku would have broken him, completely, and utterly, and then he would have killed him.

You seem to not understand that you are basically criticizing Dragon Ball-like tropes. Not really focusing on drama? That's Dragon Ball-like. Focusing much more on fighting? That's Dragon Ball-like. New power-ups and transformations? That's Dragon Ball-like. You might as well have a go at the original manga while you are at it, then.

The reason why I am criticizing those tropes, is because those tropes don't belong in this type of dark story, they work well in the original dragon ball. But here?!? They don't belong, this is a much darker and different story. They could still work, except for the first one, that couldn't work in a story like this one.

[FoolsGil]

I'm sure the arguments will go back and forth, but I want to point out that Goku didn't see Krillin die the first time he was killed, and he was angrier then at that point, than in this special where he just buried his son. Just throwing that out there. Feel free to argue why he should or shouldn't be so serene about the loss of all his friends, his son, and the dragonballs.

[rereboy]

yes, as Goku had the whole entire situation in his hands, he was the strongest, he had senzu beans, and if Recome had killed Gohan, Goku would have broken him, completely, and utterly, and then he would have killed him.

That doesn't change the fact that the author had an opportunity to have Goku display emotion and have a "good character moment", as you put it, and didn't.

The reason why I am criticizing those tropes, is because those tropes don't belong in this type of dark story, they work well in the original dragon ball. But here?!? They don't belong, this is a much darker and different story. They could still work, except for the first one, that couldn't work in a story like this one.

All specials just serve as some backstory to the main story and the respective universes, just like Trunks' world and what happened in it served as backstory in the original manga. Just because they have dark parts, it doesn't mean that it will or should dwell on them like this was some sort of drama movie.

I'm sure the arguments will go back and forth, but I want to point out that Goku didn't see Krillin die the first time he was killed, and he was angrier then at that point, than in this special where he just buried his son. Just throwing that out there. Feel free to argue why he should or shouldn't be so serene about the loss of all his friends, his son, and the dragonballs.

He was also much angrier at that time than when he found Gohan dying with his neck broken. And he knew that Krillin could be revived then, while he had no assurances regarding Gohan if he hadn't managed to save him. Perhaps Goku really is a bad father

[Gog]

That doesn't change the fact that the author had an opportunity to have Goku display emotion and have a "good character moment", as you put it, and didn't.

Goku didn't need to display emotion then, he had the entire situation in his hands, nobody had died yet, and he was the strongest. But lets say what happens when people do die, Saiyan saga, completely kicked the shit out of Nappa. Freeza Saga literally blew the top when he saw Krillin die, and ascended to a new form. Future Trunks Saga when he found out about the death of his wife, and son. He went ballistic. Universe 8 saga, there was almost some tears I guess?

All specials just serve as some backstory to the main story and the respective universes, just like Trunks' world and what happened in it served as backstory in the original manga. Just because they have dark parts, it doesn't mean that it will or should dwell on them like this was some sort of drama movie.

Except even if they serve as nothing but backstory they can still be well done. Yes, but then it was turned into a dark tv special, and everyone loved the fuck out of it. But it should, as this is a much darker story than anything else in the series. If you don't dwell on the dark bits, than this isn't a tale worth telling, and dwelling on the dark bits doesn't make it a drama movie.

[HeroR]

I'm sure the arguments will go back and forth, but I want to point out that Goku didn't see Krillin die the first time he was killed, and he was angrier then at that point, than in this special where he just buried his son. Just throwing that out there. Feel free to argue why he should or shouldn't be so serene about the loss of all his friends, his son, and the dragonballs.

Goku found Krillin's body seconds after he was killed. Here, days past. More than enough time for Goku to cool off.

[rereboy]

Goku didn't need to display emotion then, he had the entire situation in his hands, nobody had died yet, and he was the strongest. But lets say what happens when people do die, Saiyan saga, completely kicked the shit out of Nappa. Freeza Saga literally blew the top when he saw Krillin die, and ascended to a new form. Future Trunks Saga when he found out about the death of his wife, and son. He went ballistic. Universe 8 saga, there was almost some tears I guess?

So, as long as he manages to save his son's life in time in time, there is absolutely no problem if someone tries to kill his son by brutally breaking his neck and Goku, as a father, doesn't need to show emotion? But, if someone dies, even though he knows there's an afterlife and that he will probably be able to revive them anyway, then there's a problem if he doesn't freak out?

Except even if they serve as nothing but backstory they can still be well done. Yes, but then it was turned into a dark tv special, and everyone loved the fuck out of it. But it should, as this is a much darker story than anything else in the series. If you don't dwell on the dark bits, than this isn't a tale worth telling, and dwelling on the dark bits doesn't make it a drama movie.

Something doesn't become automatically good just because it focus more on drama. That's a style difference, not a quality difference.

Also, dwelling on the "dark" is exactly what makes a drama a drama.

EDIT: btw, here's Trunks' movie listed genres on myanimelist.net: Adventure, Drama, Fantasy, Shounen. Here are the listed genres for Dragon Ball Z: Action, Adventure, Comedy, Fantasy, Martial Arts, Shounen, Super Power.

[Gog]

So, as long as he manages to save his son's life in time in time, there is absolutely no problem if someone tries to kill his son by brutally breaking his neck and Goku, as a father, doesn't need to show emotion? But, if someone dies, even though he knows there's an afterlife and that he will probably be able to revive them anyway, then there's a problem if he doesn't freak out?

This is Goku, he's one of the most forgiving people to walk on the planet. There was a problem, which was why he knocked out Recome, and the rest of the ginyu force and they also weren't worth it. Yes he will freak out, especially if its one his sons, or anyone close to him. That's just who he is, I'd even say that what's happening right now is out of character.

Something doesn't become automatically good just because it focus more on drama. That's a style difference, not a quality difference.

Also, dwelling on the "dark" is exactly what makes a drama a drama.

Except by all rights this is a drama we are reading. A drama tale is one of tragedy, this is a tale of tragedy, we are literally reading one, and unfortunately it's not very good at being a drama.

[Noah]

Bulma, Dende, Gohan, but who is in 4th grave? Guru? Surprised it didn't enraged Goku to see his friennd and son death, also surprised Goku thought to use mask (Oh well, it is not filler Z/Super Goku) So Freeza blast worked like some sort atomic bomb and polluted atmosphere, that's new.

So Goku didn't turn SSJ because he didn't saw his friends killed in his front? I can take that, but still think he should be more sad that they died.

[miguelnuva1]

Goku lives in a world where the dead can be brought back. In till he learns that all the Dragon Balls are gone and there's no way to make neew ones then he should snap.

[coola]

Yajirobe did told Goku back in Piccolo Daimao saga, that people die, and we can't do anything about it.

[Marco Polo]

The mask makes sense. Frieza destroyed all life on the planet including the plants, so Goku is exploring an environment that has had zero oxygen production for 4 days.

You really are, there's not a single tear on his face.

I clearly mentioned that his "eyes were bright with tears", not that he had tears on his face. Look at his pupils, they have a white hue that is gone in the next panel.

I think it's just the smoke.

[Gog]

I can already imagine what the end of this special looks like...

King Cold: I love both of my sons equally. Frieza and... -looks at smudged writing on hand- Colin.

[rereboy]

I think it's just the smoke.

Perhaps.