The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

[apex_pretador]

What if Vegeta went SSJ against Frieza?

Vegeta at this time was comfortably weaker than goku, who, despite the fact that freeza was heavily weakened by spirit bomb, and got caught off-guard by him manhandling him at 50%, was only able to dominate him after he got exhausted. Knowing vegeta, he would allow freeza to powerup to 100% and soon get wrecked quickly.

What if Piccolo decided to go alone to Room of Spirit and Time after his fight with Cell, but before fight with Cyborgs?

Androids go to master roshi's house, and Tien barely holds them off with his tri-beam till piccolo emerges from ROSAT. He vaporizes them with a single blast of energy, then cell too.
Goku goes to namek to fetch dende, and to revive tien.

Vegeta and trunks would've entered instantly as soon as piccolo comes out. They come out as grade 2 SS but still weaker than piccolo. Vegeta would've entered again and come out at his CG level.
Goku then enters rosat with Gohan and comes out much weaker than his cell games level, around vegeta's level, and so does gohan.

By the time of buu arc, piccolo , goku and vegeta are all equals. They work together to beat dabra.

What if Dr. Brief didn't take #16's bomb out of his body, and so #16 did end up self destructing against Cell?

Cell regenerates and kills everyone.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Androids go to master roshi's house, and Tien barely holds them off with his tri-beam till piccolo emerges from ROSAT. He vaporizes them with a single blast of energy, then cell too.
Goku goes to namek to fetch dende, and to revive tien.

Vegeta and trunks would've entered instantly as soon as piccolo comes out. They come out as grade 2 SS but still weaker than piccolo. Vegeta would've entered again and come out at his CG level.
Goku then enters rosat with Gohan and comes out much weaker than his cell games level, around vegeta's level, and so does gohan.

By the time of buu arc, piccolo , goku and vegeta are all equals. They work together to beat dabra.

Tenshinhan wouldn't be able to hold them off for long enough, assuming he's even able to hit all three at once, if even one manages to dodge he gets oneshotted. Either Piccolo ends his trip early or everyone's dead and the androids are absorbed by the time he comes out.

Goku would still end up as strong as his CG level since he would realize the flaws of the Grade forms regardless and come up with Grade 4 like he did in canon.

[Gog]

What if Vegeta went SSJ against Frieza?

Freeza rips him in half, and takes the head as his trophy. Seriously the gap in strength is to large, you'd have to do Bringer Of Death levels of logic jumping to justify him beating, and even scratching Freeza.

[TheUltimateNinja]

What if Vegeta went SSJ against Frieza?

Freeza rips him in half, and takes the head as his trophy. Seriously the gap in strength is to large, you'd have to do Bringer Of Death levels of logic jumping to justify him beating, and even scratching Freeza.

Vegeta would probably completely lose control once he goes SSJ and immediately kill Frieza. He may be weaker than 100% Frieza but suppressed Frieza would be easy for him.

[ekrolo2]

Vegeta would probably completely lose control once he goes SSJ and immediately kill Frieza. He may be weaker than 100% Frieza but suppressed Frieza would be easy for him.

As long as he kills Freeza before he can start drowning out about using only X amount of power he can come out on top of this very easily. A lot of people seem to forget that Freeza takes awhile to get to 100% and that's time Vegeta isn't gonna give him.

[dragonball0900]

I have Vegeta at 2,400,000. If we multiply that 50 times, then that's 120,000,000, the same power as 100% Final Form Frieza.

Goku dominated Frieza throughout the battle, but with Vegeta it would be a long battle like Goku vs Frieza Anime Version. Vegeta could've ended up winning though, since Frieza can get tired throughout the fight.

[nickzambuto]

I don't see why so many people are convinced Vegeta wouldn't be able to beat Freeza. I imagine them ending up as dead equals. That seems a lot more appropriate then the legend finally appearing and just failing utterly.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Vegeta would probably completely lose control once he goes SSJ and immediately kill Frieza. He may be weaker than 100% Frieza but suppressed Frieza would be easy for him.

As long as he kills Freeza before he can start drowning out about using only X amount of power he can come out on top of this very easily. A lot of people seem to forget that Freeza takes awhile to get to 100% and that's time Vegeta isn't gonna give him.

Frieza can power up to ~75% near instantaneously, though. That's 90 million, and by my numbers SSJ Vegeta would experience serious difficulty with that.

I have Vegeta at 2,400,000. If we multiply that 50 times, then that's 120,000,000, the same power as 100% Final Form Frieza.

Goku dominated Frieza throughout the battle, but with Vegeta it would be a long battle like Goku vs Frieza Anime Version. Vegeta could've ended up winning though, since Frieza can get tired throughout the fight.

2.4 million is too close to Goku's 3 million, that's the same as the gap between 100% Frieza and SSJ Goku.

I don't see why so many people are convinced Vegeta wouldn't be able to beat Freeza. I imagine them ending up as dead equals. That seems a lot more appropriate then the legend finally appearing and just failing utterly.

To be honest it would be extremely hilarious if Vegeta were to finally achieve the legend only to get fucked up regardless.

[dragonball0900]

2.4 million is too close to Goku's 3 million, that's the same as the gap between 100% Frieza and SSJ Goku.

Actually, that's the same gap between Monster Zarbon and Vegeta on the first round, and we know how that fight went. Also Goku was clearly dominating Frieza in the battle, which could've gone the same way.

I also have Frieza doubling his power each transformation. 530,000 x2 is 1,060,000 in Second Form. x2 is 2,120,000 with Third Form, and I have Vegeta above Third Form Frieza since he was able to see movements from Final Form Frieza.

[TheUltimateNinja]

2.4 million is too close to Goku's 3 million, that's the same as the gap between 100% Frieza and SSJ Goku.

Actually, that's the same gap between Monster Zarbon and Vegeta on the first round, and we know how that fight went. Also Goku was clearly dominating Frieza in the battle, which could've gone the same way.

I also have Frieza doubling his power each transformation. 530,000 x2 is 1,060,000 in Second Form. x2 is 2,120,000 with Third Form, and I have Vegeta above Third Form Frieza since he was able to see movements from Final Form Frieza.

I have Frieza adding 530,000 each time he transforms, so third form Frieza would be 1,590,000. Frieza was already superior to Vegeta when he transformed, then he started completely curbstomping him without even trying once he powered up a bit, and then Goku was casually deflecting those powered up attacks.
My numbers:
2nd form Frieza: 1,060,000
Piccolo: 1,155,000
3rd form Frieza: 1,590,000
Vegeta: 1,800,000
Final Form Frieza: 2,120,000
Final Form Frieza (Powered up): 2,400,000
Goku: 3,000,000
Final Form Frieza (Vs Goku): 3,000,000

[Noah]

What-if Cell trained before the Cell Games?

[TheUltimateNinja]

What-if Cell trained before the Cell Games?

10 days wouldn't do him much good, but even a slight difference would allow him to overcome Gohan in the final clash.

[Noah]

10 days wouldn't do him much good, but even a slight difference would allow him to overcome Gohan in the final clash.

You say that even considering he possesses Freeza "prodigy" genes?

[TheUltimateNinja]

10 days wouldn't do him much good, but even a slight difference would allow him to overcome Gohan in the final clash.

You say that even considering he possesses Freeza "prodigy" genes?

He's composed of genes from other people as well. And it's not like he can do any sort of intense training, he doesn't have any sparring partners or specialized training methods available. Also, even Frieza wouldn't get that much stronger from only 10 days of training. He could spawn some Juniors but that'd just waste his energy and they're much weaker than him anyway.

[Gog]

I don't see why so many people are convinced Vegeta wouldn't be able to beat Freeza. I imagine them ending up as dead equals. That seems a lot more appropriate then the legend finally appearing and just failing utterly.

Because Vegeta's base form is just so small compared to Goku. Except for the fact that Freeza is dead equals with Goku. Also we can't have Vegeta winning something

[Noah]

And it's not like he can do any sort of intense training, he doesn't have any sparring partners or specialized training methods available.

What if he had? Would he become strong as RoF Freeza?

He could spawn some Juniors but that'd just waste his energy and they're much weaker than him anyway.

I don't remember Cell stating that creating Juniors wasted his energy, anyway, that would be a good form of training, he create 5 and then fight with all of them at once! Remember, Cell was impressed that SSJ2 Gohan killed them so easy, not that he couldn't do the same, but I bet he would spend more time achieving this.

[Gog]

What If... Gohan went SSB when he got triggered by Cell?

[Ki Breaker]

What If... Gohan went SSB when he got triggered by Cell?

Nothing, just goku wouldn't die, writers will have him stop training and get powered down to SS soon anyway

[emperior]

What If... Gohan went SSB when he got triggered by Cell?

Nothing, just goku wouldn't die, writers will have him stop training and get powered down to SS soon anyway

Why wouldn't Goku die? Unless Gohan would act differently as a SSB than he did as a SS2, he wouldn't be able to prevent Cell from exploding along the Earth, so Goku would still need to sacrifice himself.

[Gog]

What If... Gohan went SSB when he got triggered by Cell?

Nothing, just goku wouldn't die, writers will have him stop training and get powered down to SS soon anyway

Why wouldn't Goku die? Unless Gohan would act differently as a SSB than he did as a SS2, he wouldn't be able to prevent Cell from exploding along the Earth, so Goku would still need to sacrifice himself.

Gohan would be much more calmer, so he wouldn't play around. Actually Cell could actually survive in this scenario..