Is the Universe Survival Arc too Big for Super to Execute?

[Totamo]

This show is insanely polarizing with some calling it a great time and others calling it the worst thing dragon ball has ever done which includes Evolution.

This arc in my eyes has potential to be the best thing dragon ball has done with all new characters, action, comedy and drama. they can do so much with this.

but now looking at it, super has a problem with logic, development and execution.all things that could make this arc fantastic.

Do you think super is biting off more than they can chew here?

[emperior]

We can't say it yet. They could even nail it, or at least I hope they will, but it will also depend on Toriyama's outline. So far, it seems like they are trying their best to make it as good as possible.

The fact we got 10+ weeks of fillers and the fact we will get a new opening with this arc make me feel like this will be a sort of "soft reboot"

[Chuquita]

I absolutely think they're biting off more than they can chew.

I think this arc could work fine as a weekly manga series (look how expansive in-universe One Piece and Naruto's worlds became) but I feel like with the pace that Super moves at that it's just too much to properly cover in an arc that's the amount of episodes most of Super's arcs so far have been. Even at my most optimistic about this arc (and that's a low bar because I'm not looking forward to this tournament at all) I feel like it's gonna be like the Champa arc where I come away wishing they'd told us more about these characters' backstories.

[Doctor.]

It's too big of a scope for most writers to properly execute. I don't trust this kind of concept with mediocre writers like Toriyama, Toyotaro and Toei's staff at all.

[ekrolo2]

It's too big of a scope for most writers to properly execute. I don't trust this kind of concept with mediocre writers like Toriyama, Toyotaro and Toei's staff at all.

It would take the Avengers/Justice League equivalent of a writing team to execute it well, the guys steering this ship now don't have a prayer.

[ChronoTwigger]

Nah, it's too big only 'cause people doesn't understand how things are done.
There's NO WAY in this world or another you can animate 120 characters. And have 120 fights + fillers. NO WAY. And no need for.
When even Saint Seiya tried to do 99 fights, at least 50 got rushed to the point of lasting 1 frame (really!). Only 20 get proper time. 20 out of 99.
So, producers will find any kind of idea to spare themselves this magnitude.
Like: one fighter it's randomly sorted once to fight against one of another universe. You win, 3 points. At the end, the higher points universe survive.
So, in the end, 10 fights for us to see.
Not 120.

Always remember: ZAMASU DESTROYED AN ENTIRE UNIVERSE AND ALL GODS, AND YOU DIDN'T SEE IT. That's how things are done,

[The gr]

Dragon super writing is really mediocre just take a look at the u6 that tournament has a lot issues ranging from flat and dull character like half of team u6 with the exception of frost and cabba awful cast usage and the fact that goku and Vegeta have no reason to hold back Vegeta vs Maggie was the worst example for this they made Vegeta in to the biggest jackass

I have weird feeling this tournament is going to suck because toei toyble and toriyama can't handle these type of arc because there average or mediocre writers but I'm hoping I'm wrong and this arc will be Legit

[Lord Beerus]

I think so, yeah.

I mean, we're looking at least 60 fights if we're going by the traditional tournament method. And that's not even including all the huge amounts exposition and lore dump that has to happen to give a better context of what kind of universes and race the competitors are from. I have no way how the hell Toei are going to handle all of this. This arc really seems far too big in concept for the current directing and writing team to handle, with all due respect.

[precita]

All I know is if all the other main characters outside of Goku/Vegeta don't get some good and well done fights...this will be the straw that breaks the camels back.

They're hyping up Gohan and Krillin as return to being fighters, they're plucking 17 out of obscurity, having 18 fight again, having Fat Buu hopefully fight after missing the previous tournament, and using Piccolo/Tien/Roshi, etc.

You don't bring back nearly the entire extended cast and then not have them do anything or give them rushed or bad matches. I don't think they all have to win a match and some probably won't, but if they don't have a good fight before going down...man. This will "make or break" Super. It will be the last straw.

[Totamo]

Dragon super writing is really mediocre just take a look at the u6 that tournament has a lot issues ranging from flat and dull character like half of team u6 with the exception of frost and cabba awful cast usage and the fact that goku and Vegeta have no reason to hold back Vegeta vs Maggie was the worst example for this they made Vegeta in to the biggest jackass

I have weird feeling this tournament is going to suck because toei toyble and toriyama can't handle these type of arc because there average or mediocre writers but I'm hoping I'm wrong and this arc will be Legit

its funny you mention frost, when most fans hate the character.

[Totamo]

All I know is if all the other main characters outside of Goku/Vegeta don't get some good and well done fights...this will be the straw that breaks the camels back.

They're hyping up Gohan and Krillin as return to being fighters, they're plucking 17 out of obscurity, having 18 fight again, having Fat Buu hopefully fight after missing the previous tournament, and using Piccolo/Tien/Roshi, etc.

You don't bring back nearly the entire extended cast and then not have them do anything or give them rushed or bad matches. I don't think they all have to win a match and some probably won't, but if they don't have a good fight before going down...man. This will "make or break" Super. It will be the last straw.

when was the last time any of those characters had a real fight?

[precita]

when was the last time any of those characters had a real fight?

In Super? During the Freeza arc.

In DBZ? Their last major fights.

[Totamo]

when was the last time any of those characters had a real fight?

In Super? During the Freeza arc.

In DBZ? Their last major fights.

Buu or Cell?

Because in those fights the z fighters were trashed left and right.

[Alruneia]

Yes.

I absolutely think they're biting off more than they can chew.

[...] Even at my most optimistic about this arc (and that's a low bar because I'm not looking forward to this tournament at all) I feel like it's gonna be like the Champa arc where I come away wishing they'd told us more about these characters' backstories.

This basically covers my stance as well. I don't trust Super, especially not the anime, with giving satisfying backstories for the characters. I also don't trust Super, especially the monthly manga, with properly covering the many battles this tournament will (or should) have.

[ekrolo2]

This basically covers my stance as well. I don't trust Super, especially not the anime, with giving satisfying backstories for the characters. I also don't trust Super, especially the monthly manga, with properly covering the many battles this tournament will (or should) have.

I hadn't even thought of the manga, yeah, that thing is thoroughly screwed unless they announce a new release schedule for it.

[ChaosLordBrandon]

Nah, it's too big only 'cause people doesn't understand how things are done.
There's NO WAY in this world or another you can animate 120 characters. And have 120 fights + fillers. NO WAY. And no need for.
When even Saint Seiya tried to do 99 fights, at least 50 got rushed to the point of lasting 1 frame (really!). Only 20 get proper time. 20 out of 99.
So, producers will find any kind of idea to spare themselves this magnitude.
Like: one fighter it's randomly sorted once to fight against one of another universe. You win, 3 points. At the end, the higher points universe survive.
So, in the end, 10 fights for us to see.
Not 120.

Always remember: ZAMASU DESTROYED AN ENTIRE UNIVERSE AND ALL GODS, AND YOU DIDN'T SEE IT. That's how things are done,

This. For example team universe 8 destroyed team universe 5 off panel. Also zamasu and black killed the populations of tons planets and what was the only we saw him actually destroy? Earth.

Here is some other examples the Black Beard pirates( a team of like 11 characters) gave the white beard pirates(a team of like 13 characters) a huge defeat. did we see any of it? Nope.

[Gog]

Look at all of you negative Ducks quacking about how the survival arc is too big for mediocre writers to handle. Honestly I think if the stars have aligned and if God himself allowed it, this arc is going to be great, and it'll have the best story and characters out of anything this franchise has to offer.

[ZeroDio]

I am pretty sure Toei will only focus on The fights involving U6 & U7 and any fighters who are put in the "essential to Plot" category, while the rest of the fights will be done off screen

[The gr]

Dragon super writing is really mediocre just take a look at the u6 that tournament has a lot issues ranging from flat and dull character like half of team u6 with the exception of frost and cabba awful cast usage and the fact that goku and Vegeta have no reason to hold back Vegeta vs Maggie was the worst example for this they made Vegeta in to the biggest jackass

I have weird feeling this tournament is going to suck because toei toyble and toriyama can't handle these type of arc because there average or mediocre writers but I'm hoping I'm wrong and this arc will be Legit

its funny you mention frost, when most fans hate the character.

Is there problem with it plus I wasn't talking about the fandom

[ChaosLordBrandon]

People seriously are not expecting for them to show all fights right? a lot of them will just be off paneled or very short.

If any of you have read One Piece, Oda simply off panels the vast majority of fights that don't involve straw hats outright. Look at marine fold most fights there occured off paneled or were very short.

That pretty much exactly what they will do here. And most fights that don't involve Universe 6 or 7 it will be off paneled or very short. You can tell Universe 6 will have a huge role just by looking the arc preview.