Is the Universe Survival Arc too Big for Super to Execute?

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Re: Is The Universe Survival Arc too big for Super to execute

Post by Totamo » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:44 pm

The gr wrote:
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The gr wrote:Dragon super writing is really mediocre just take a look at the u6 that tournament has a lot issues ranging from flat and dull character like half of team u6 with the exception of frost and cabba awful cast usage and the fact that goku and Vegeta have no reason to hold back Vegeta vs Maggie was the worst example for this they made Vegeta in to the biggest jackass
    I have weird feeling this tournament is going to suck because toei toyble and toriyama can't handle these type of arc because there average or mediocre writers but I'm hoping I'm wrong and this arc will be Legit
    its funny you mention frost, when most fans hate the character.
    Is there problem with it plus I wasn't talking about the fandom
    No, its just that frost who had arguable the best backstory among them, is the most hated while Hit has the second least and is the most popular from that arc.

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    Re: Is The Universe Survival Arc too big for Super to execute

    Post by ChaosLordBrandon » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:48 pm

    Totamo wrote:
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    Totamo wrote: its funny you mention frost, when most fans hate the character.
    Is there problem with it plus I wasn't talking about the fandom
    No, its just that frost who had arguable the best backstory among them, is the most hated while Hit has the second least and is the most popular from that arc.
    And almost every I know who watches Super loves Hit and most people I know desprise Frost. So that pretty much means nothing.

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    Re: Is The Universe Survival Arc too big for Super to execute

    Post by sintzu » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:03 pm

    If you're looking for everyone of the 120 fighters to get equal relevant fights, all the destroyers and their angles to get equal screen time and everyone new to have a detailed back story then yes, it's too big for Super and every other anime out there.

    What we're going to get and what's eralistically to expect is 2-3 episodes of quick fights like what the original tournaments had to reach the main fighters and the finals will probably have 2-3 main fighters from each universe.

    I'm not sure how many destroyers they'll focus on but I think it's safe to say that the clown and U10's destroyer and angles will be focused on at least.

    Try to be positive everyone (look who's talking :lol: ) we're in for a really good arc that'll have good fights and it'll open the doors even more for future stories.
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    Re: Is The Universe Survival Arc too big for Super to execute

    Post by pacz360 » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:32 pm

    Gog wrote:Look at all of you negative Ducks quacking about how the survival arc is too big for mediocre writers to handle. Honestly I think if the stars have aligned and if God himself allowed it, this arc is going to be great, and it'll have the best story and characters out of anything this franchise has to offer.
    Dude do you really believe toei, toriyama and especially toei to handled an arc with 140 characters?

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    Re: Is The Universe Survival Arc too big for Super to execute

    Post by The gr » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:47 pm

    pacz360 wrote:
    Gog wrote:Look at all of you negative Ducks quacking about how the survival arc is too big for mediocre writers to handle. Honestly I think if the stars have aligned and if God himself allowed it, this arc is going to be great, and it'll have the best story and characters out of anything this franchise has to offer.
    Dude do you really believe toei, toriyama and especially toei to handled an arc with 140 characters?
    They won't handle 140 character some figth could happen off screen
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    Re: Is The Universe Survival Arc too big for Super to execute

    Post by Lujin_16 » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:37 pm

    They know how big this arc is otherwise they would never do 11 weeks of fillers and i'm sure the start of this arc will be slow paced...Episode 77 is mostly
    focused on Bulma pregnant and 1-2 episodes for C-17 etc...Still we have to wait for the fights and that's a good sign

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    Re: Is The Universe Survival Arc too big for Super to execute

    Post by Boo Machine » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:41 pm

    Ya know, as big as this tournament sounds, I actually can't see it being that long. A couple of universe will probably be eliminated early. Hell one universe might get disqualified and destroyed just to show us the stakes.

    So I'm not terribly worried about it. Though I understand where the concern comes from.
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    Re: Is The Universe Survival Arc too big for Super to execute

    Post by precita » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:43 pm

    Most of the fights will obviously be skipped over or shown in quick montages.

    Just as long as all the main characters get one long fight on-screen, then its fine.

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    Re: Is The Universe Survival Arc too big for Super to execute

    Post by kinisking » Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:02 pm

    I see a lot of disrespect for the author that brought us all together. He might be inconsistent, but calling him mediocre is just rude. He'd had amazing ideas and the fact that we're here proves that.
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    Re: Is The Universe Survival Arc too big for Super to execute

    Post by Gog » Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:46 pm

    pacz360 wrote:
    Gog wrote:Look at all of you negative Ducks quacking about how the survival arc is too big for mediocre writers to handle. Honestly I think if the stars have aligned and if God himself allowed it, this arc is going to be great, and it'll have the best story and characters out of anything this franchise has to offer.
    Dude do you really believe toei, toriyama and especially toei to handled an arc with 140 characters?
    If God allows it than yes. They will succeed

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    Re: Is The Universe Survival Arc too big for Super to execute

    Post by pacz360 » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:08 am

    Gog wrote:
    pacz360 wrote:
    Gog wrote:Look at all of you negative Ducks quacking about how the survival arc is too big for mediocre writers to handle. Honestly I think if the stars have aligned and if God himself allowed it, this arc is going to be great, and it'll have the best story and characters out of anything this franchise has to offer.
    Dude do you really believe toei, toriyama and especially toei to handled an arc with 140 characters?
    If God allows it than yes. They will succeed
    Then I hope to god your right.
    kinisking wrote:I see a lot of disrespect for the author that brought us all together. He might be inconsistent, but calling him mediocre is just rude. He'd had amazing ideas and the fact that we're here proves that.
    Of course he has good ideas But it depends on how he executes those ideas.

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    Re: Is The Universe Survival Arc too big for Super to execute

    Post by kinisking » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:21 am

    pacz360 wrote:
    Gog wrote:
    pacz360 wrote: Dude do you really believe toei, toriyama and especially toei to handled an arc with 140 characters?
    If God allows it than yes. They will succeed
    Then I hope to god your right.
    kinisking wrote:I see a lot of disrespect for the author that brought us all together. He might be inconsistent, but calling him mediocre is just rude. He'd had amazing ideas and the fact that we're here proves that.
    Of course he has good ideas But it depends on how he executes those ideas.
    He executed it so well that millions of people world wide find themselves infatuated with the show.
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    Re: Is The Universe Survival Arc too big for Super to execute

    Post by Nekis13 » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:26 am

    I could see them having a montage of the less important fights, for the sake of getting this thing moving.

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    Re: Is The Universe Survival Arc too big for Super to execute

    Post by Makai » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:53 am

    We still have no idea how long the arc will last though, and considering the build up to it, it'll definitely be the longest one in Super. It could perhaps even be one of the longest yet in all the series'. At least long enough to showcase all off the universes at a good pace and all of their fighters. Considering it's something this big, it wouldn't be wise to blow through it like they've done with the previous arcs in this series.

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    Re: Is The Universe Survival Arc too big for Super to execute

    Post by Beyond » Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:06 am

    Hopefully Toriyama takes some notes from Togashi for this arc.

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    Re: Is The Universe Survival Arc too big for Super to execute

    Post by sintzu » Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:13 am

    Makai wrote:We still have no idea how long the arc will last though, and considering the build up to it, it'll definitely be the longest one in Super. It could perhaps even be one of the longest yet in all the series.
    The torunament between 2 universes was 14 episodes so this'll be at least 30.
    Beyond wrote:Hopefully Toriyama takes some notes from Togashi for this arc.
    The dark tournament arc was among the best story arcs I've ever seen so anything like that would be OK with me.
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    Re: Is The Universe Survival Arc too big for Super to execute

    Post by Ki Breaker » Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:22 am

    kinisking wrote:
    pacz360 wrote:
    Gog wrote:
    If God allows it than yes. They will succeed
    Then I hope to god your right.
    kinisking wrote:I see a lot of disrespect for the author that brought us all together. He might be inconsistent, but calling him mediocre is just rude. He'd had amazing ideas and the fact that we're here proves that.
    Of course he has good ideas But it depends on how he executes those ideas.
    He executed it so well that millions of people world wide find themselves infatuated with the show.
    His execution if the original is the reason Dragonball is still popular, even after all these years people still emerge saying they were inspired by Dragonball..
    That's some excellent story telling right there
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    Re: Is The Universe Survival Arc too big for Super to execute

    Post by sintzu » Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:27 am

    Ki Breaker wrote: His execution if the original is the reason Dragonball is still popular, even after all these years people still emerge saying they were inspired by Dragonball..
    That's some excellent story telling right there
    It's also one of the only 20+ year old stories that's still relevant today.
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    Re: Is The Universe Survival Arc too big for Super to execute

    Post by precita » Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:39 am

    sintzu wrote:
    Ki Breaker wrote: His execution if the original is the reason Dragonball is still popular, even after all these years people still emerge saying they were inspired by Dragonball..
    That's some excellent story telling right there
    It's also one of the only 20+ year old stories that's still relevant today.
    There's still a lot of anime from the 80's or 90's that's still popular or relevant today. Sailor Moon for one thing, many of the Gundam series, etc.

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    Re: Is The Universe Survival Arc too big for Super to execute

    Post by Ki Breaker » Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:58 am

    sintzu wrote:If you're looking for everyone of the 120 fighters to get equal relevant fights, all the destroyers and their angles to get equal screen time and everyone new to have a detailed back story then yes, it's too big for Super and every other anime out there.
    Hey, if they take their time this could be pulled off..
    At least something closer to this
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