Tanooki's DBZ: Season 2 Box Set Dissection

DaemonCorps · Post by **DaemonCorps** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:16 pm

Eclipse wrote:
DaemonCorps wrote: Sounds like a mass forum project in the making. I'd really want to be a part of making some kind of fan documentary of the series. The only thing, is I'm seriously lacking in the computer savvy-ness to be part of this hypothetical project. I'm just throwing out ideas there...
You know what, just because of that, I'm doing it. Expect a thread or something in the next while

Yay! I'll definitely try and help with whatever I can for that project

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shenron002 · Post by **shenron002** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:45 pm

Well, I emailed Steve Franko the comparison and this is the reply I got:

Steve Franko: you are looking a bad down conversion. that is what is pathetic!

1) http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7069/27440767jc1.png (Season Set)
2) http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4571/95550422kt0.png (Season Set)
Comparison
3) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/knkng/Bulma.jpg (Dragon Box)
4) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/knkng/Beauty.png (Season Set)
Splitscreen Comparison
5) http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/t ... 2kt0-1.png

My final thoughts: What a rude human being! Fits right in with FUNI!

SonGokuGT · Post by **SonGokuGT** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:51 pm

shenron002 wrote:Well, I emailed Steve Franko the comparison and this is the reply I got:

Steve Franko: you are looking a bad down conversion. that is what is pathetic!

1) http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7069/27440767jc1.png (Season Set)
2) http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4571/95550422kt0.png (Season Set)
Comparison
3) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/knkng/Bulma.jpg (Dragon Box)
4) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/knkng/Beauty.png (Season Set)
Splitscreen Comparison
5) http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/t ... 2kt0-1.png

My final thoughts: What a rude human being! Fits right in with FUNI!

Christ, what a jerk! Enjoy adjusting the hue and saturation for Playboy videos, prick! Someone also needs to learn some grammar!

Lobster_Rage155 · Post by **Lobster_Rage155** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:53 pm

"you are looking a bad down conversion." What the fuck does that even mean? I'd assume it's meant to be "You are looking at a bad down conversion" but even then, that doesn't make much sense.

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:00 pm

I doubt You E-mailed him shenron002...

shenron002 · Post by **shenron002** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:09 pm

I'm dead serious, I emailed him and he emailed me back. Anyways if you doubt me, fill free to try yourself!

http://www.videopost.com/pages/steve.html

sfranko811@aol.com

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:17 pm

shenron002 wrote:I'm dead serious, I emailed him and he emailed me back. Anyways if you doubt me, fill free to try yourself!

sfranko811@aol.com

Oh boy, if that is Franko's email, we oughta have a field day with this.

FDLink · Post by **FDLink** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:41 pm

shenron002 wrote:Well, I emailed Steve Franko the comparison and this is the reply I got:

Steve Franko: you are looking a bad down conversion. that is what is pathetic!

1) http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7069/27440767jc1.png (Season Set)
2) http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4571/95550422kt0.png (Season Set)
Comparison
3) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/knkng/Bulma.jpg (Dragon Box)
4) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/knkng/Beauty.png (Season Set)
Splitscreen Comparison
5) http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/t ... 2kt0-1.png

My final thoughts: What a rude human being! Fits right in with FUNI!

HOLY BALLS! Does it really look that bad in motion, too? What the fuck are people buying? This is way worse than the whole "Nappa foaming" thing.

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:43 pm

All I can say is that it looked nothing like that on my set.

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:52 pm

Thanos6 wrote:All I can say is that it looked nothing like that on my set.

Yea, because FUNimation took the time to make your set look extra special. Either you didn't notice it, or you just don't really care about it.

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:35 pm

And this is only season two! I think the Majin Boo episodes are going to be the worst for two reasons...

1. Goku's halo will be cut off in most scenes.
2. Majin Boo's pink skin will make more lines disappear then anything else.

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:00 pm

SatoSky wrote:
Thanos6 wrote:All I can say is that it looked nothing like that on my set.
Yea, because FUNimation took the time to make your set look extra special. Either you didn't notice it, or you just don't really care about it.

*rolls eyes* Yes, how foolish of me.

shenron002 · Post by **shenron002** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:10 pm

you are looking a bad down conversion. that is what is pathetic!

So let me get this right, when they went to down convert it for DVD, they managed to damage the film?

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:23 pm

I think he tried to say "You are looking down on a GOOD transfer" or something.

That, or what Shenron said.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:39 pm

Thanos6 wrote:All I can say is that it looked nothing like that on my set.

Well, it sure did on my setup.

-Corey

shenron002 · Post by **shenron002** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:09 pm

I'm dead serious, I emailed him and he emailed me back. Anyways if you doubt me, fill free to try yourself!

http://www.videopost.com/pages/steve.html

sfranko811@aol.com

Shenron002:
Hey, what are you trying to pull here!

1)http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7069 ... 67jc1.png?(Season Set)
2)http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4571 ... 22kt0.png?(Season Set)

Comparison

3)http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/knkng/Bulma.jpg?(Dragon Box)
4)http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/ ... eauty.png?(Season Set)

Split Screen Comparison

5)http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/t ... kt0-1.png?

This is pathetic, I could do better with Photoshop!

Steve Franko:
you are looking a bad down conversion.? that is what is pathetic!

Shenron002:
So let me get this right, when they went to down convert it for DVD at 480p, they managed to damage the composition? and has nothing to do with the remastering you and your team applied to it?

Is there any chance that you and your team could do a frame by frame remastering by hand and realigning of the frames, that is comparable to Dragon Box/PONY Canyon's?

And is there any chance of turning it back to 4:3? I know if you turned the original Star Trek/Wizard of Oz to 16:9 there would be a heavy backlash of complaints for the Original Aspect Ratio.

Steve Franko:
here's the deal, i color corrected 16mm release prints with optical sound tracks. these prints are several generations down from the original interpositives (IP). i have to say for the age of the prints, they have held up remarkably well. in any case, you are correct, the original format was 4x3. the decision was not mine to re-crop these prints to fit into a 16x9 hd frame. that decision was made by the people at funimation. transfer was done 16x9 to a 24psf hd master. my job is to try to faithfully restore these prints as best as possible with in a tight budget. you are correct you can color correct frame by frame, but that would be cost prohibitive. until this project reaches the status of star wars, wizard of oz, snow white and the seven dwarfs, Lawrence of Arabia, sand pebbles and the godfather trilogy, this process will not happen. you really need to see these transfers on a hi def projector from the master transfer reels, then you might see the difference.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:13 pm

Yes, until Dragonball Z reaches the status of those movies, FUNimation is prohibited by the laws of science to just buy the Dragonbox masters and sell those to us.

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:15 pm

Steve Franko will be known as the guy who ruined DragonBall Z.

Fine, whatever shenron002 I apologize.

my job is to try to fathfully restore these prints as best as
possible with in a tight budget

Tight budget? According to FUNimation you had a million dollars! If that responce is actually from Steve Franko, he has horrible grammer. Thats comming from me... ME!

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:40 pm

Are you sure that the dollar amounts being thrown out there had anything t do with what kind of money FUNi spent?

Sure, the place Steve Franco wors for may have paid a buttload of cash to get the equipment, but FUNi's paying them for the service of "remastering" DBZ.

It's not like if I want to get my car fixed I have to pay for every piece of equipment used to fix the car.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:03 pm

Did FUNi pay him like 3 dollars an episode?

Kanzenshuu

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