Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 75

Post by BakaManiaHD » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:02 am

Mazingerdestro wrote:Also did anyone notice that in the extended version of the 15 sec preview of the new arc in Toei's channel, they didn't add an instrumental version of the new opening song and instead they used an effect like audacity's lyrics remover? If you listen closely in the end you can hear the singer's voice in the background, compressed.

Did both these issues happen because the deadlines are so close?
i think this is a just an echo effect added by the composer for the instrumental
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 75

Post by Mazingerdestro » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:06 am

BakaManiaHD wrote:
Mazingerdestro wrote:Also did anyone notice that in the extended version of the 15 sec preview of the new arc in Toei's channel, they didn't add an instrumental version of the new opening song and instead they used an effect like audacity's lyrics remover? If you listen closely in the end you can hear the singer's voice in the background, compressed.

Did both these issues happen because the deadlines are so close?
i think this is a just an echo effect added by the composer for the instrumental
Really? I am no music expert but the background noise did sound like actual words. Maybe you are right or maybe the song has more than one singer and this part sounds in the background? we will see
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 75

Post by emperior » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:07 am

I like the new colors (the ones in the preview, not the NEP)

If they do some tweaking here and there it's going to look really good. Really seems like this new arc will be a soft reboot of Super.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 75

Post by Ajay » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:12 am

Mazingerdestro wrote:Really? I no music expert but the background noise did sound like actual words. Maybe you are right or maybe the song has more than one singer and this part sounds in the background? we will see
I think what it actually is are just layered vocals that haven't been muted. It's pretty common to build up a singer's voice through multiple layers, especially with effects added.

They will have been sent the individual components of the track, and whoever put the trailer together forgot to mute the reverb track along with the main vocals.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 75

Post by ShinyPhanpy » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:13 am

Ajay wrote:
dhaval_dongre wrote:The Japanese version looks so much better. I think that version is the more definitive one, and the actual episode will look somewhat like that. The Videl-Gohan, Buu-Satan, Vegeta shots in it looks way better than the Crunchy one. It will be great if Ajay or any one of you can do a side by side comparison.
Interesting. You're right. There are extra lighting effects on the simulcast:

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Everything's blown out in the NEP compared to the preview.
Oh my god, the 18 and the Roshi shots look so much better in the Japanese version, hope the final broadcast is more like that one. The sky in particular is much less straining on the eyes.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 75

Post by Mazingerdestro » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:26 am

Ajay wrote:
Mazingerdestro wrote:Really? I no music expert but the background noise did sound like actual words. Maybe you are right or maybe the song has more than one singer and this part sounds in the background? we will see
I think what it actually is are just layered vocals that haven't been muted. It's pretty common to build up a singer's voice through multiple layers, especially with effects added.

They will have been sent the individual components of the track, and whoever put the trailer together forgot to mute the reverb track along with the main vocals.
Yeah. That's pretty much what I thought.
The song sounds energetic and the animation detailed and interesting. Everything looks great so far in terms of the actual production (Heck we get multiple pvs...even though there are the same video just extended). Can't wait to see the new ending animation.
I dont think you ever talked about Chozetsu Dynamic ( except that Tate worked on some parts) but wasn't the storyboard too plain for an op?

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 75

Post by Gashif Aldi » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:46 am

Mazingerdestro wrote:
Ajay wrote:
Mazingerdestro wrote:Really? I no music expert but the background noise did sound like actual words. Maybe you are right or maybe the song has more than one singer and this part sounds in the background? we will see
I think what it actually is are just layered vocals that haven't been muted. It's pretty common to build up a singer's voice through multiple layers, especially with effects added.

They will have been sent the individual components of the track, and whoever put the trailer together forgot to mute the reverb track along with the main vocals.
Yeah. That's pretty much what I thought.
The song sounds energetic and the animation detailed and interesting. Everything looks great so far in terms of the actual production (Heck we get multiple pvs...even though there are the same video just extended). Can't wait to see the new ending animation.
I dont think you ever talked about Chozetsu Dynamic ( except that Tate worked on some parts) but wasn't the storyboard too plain for an op?
It's not even the full OP. Calm down.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 75

Post by VejituhTheWarriorGuy » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:22 am

So, is Super going for a more cell animation type of look now? Seems rather odd to do it almost 80 episodes into the series
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 75

Post by IGhostUlt » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:27 am

VejituhTheWarriorGuy wrote:So, is Super going for a more cell animation type of look now? Seems rather odd to do it almost 80 episodes into the series
No not at all. That filter looks nothing like the way Z looked like in the 90s.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 75

Post by Mazingerdestro » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:27 am

Gashif Aldi wrote:
Mazingerdestro wrote:
Ajay wrote:
I think what it actually is are just layered vocals that haven't been muted. It's pretty common to build up a singer's voice through multiple layers, especially with effects added.

They will have been sent the individual components of the track, and whoever put the trailer together forgot to mute the reverb track along with the main vocals.
Yeah. That's pretty much what I thought.
The song sounds energetic and the animation detailed and interesting. Everything looks great so far in terms of the actual production (Heck we get multiple pvs...even though there are the same video just extended). Can't wait to see the new ending animation.
I dont think you ever talked about Chozetsu Dynamic ( except that Tate worked on some parts) but wasn't the storyboard too plain for an op?
It's not even the full OP. Calm down.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 75

Post by VejituhTheWarriorGuy » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:34 am

IGhostUlt wrote:
VejituhTheWarriorGuy wrote:So, is Super going for a more cell animation type of look now? Seems rather odd to do it almost 80 episodes into the series
No not at all. That filter looks nothing like the way Z looked like in the 90s.
I've seen a few shows go for this type of look and it's clearly inspired by cell animation
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Ajay » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:04 pm

Episode 76

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I've also updated the catalogue to include Itai's other episodes.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by kinisking » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:07 pm

Wasn't itai a supervisor 3 weeks ago? He'd crazy fast. Also itais style looks like shimanukis in that upper left picture.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Avok » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:20 pm

I hope Toei is really going with that filter thing. The color palette of Super is goddam awful as it is. Everything looks flat and too sharp.

I don't like the way the lines blur in the preview and compared to other long-runnings it looks rather poor, but if they go with it it is a sign that they're testing and finally working on post-processing. In the long run it could be very very positive for the series. Weird things is that the arc preview with the Gods doesn't look anything like it, and the colors are the same as before.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by ProjectAlpha22 » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:27 pm

Avok wrote:I hope Toei is really going with that filter thing. The color palette of Super is goddam awful as it is. Everything looks flat and too sharp.

I don't like the way the lines blur in the preview and compared to other long-runnings it looks rather poor, but if they go with it it is a sign that they're testing and finally working on post-processing. In the long run it could be very very positive for the series. Weird things is that the arc preview with the Gods doesn't look anything like it, and the colors are the same as before.
I didn't even notice this, but now that you have mentioned it I believe it does look rather nice! I get a bit of a Madhouse vibe actually. I felt overall this episode was a testing ground. Things were a bit off model, perhaps it was rushed to allow them to try some more post-processing? Either way, I do hope we see more like this in the future!
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Ajay » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:28 pm

kinisking wrote:Also itais style looks like shimanukis in that upper left picture.
For a period of time, we actually thought some of Itai's work was uncredited Shimanuki, so I'm not surprised you say that. Itai worked under Shimanuki a fair bit, so I wonder if he was influenced to a degree.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by thegamer23 » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:35 pm

Today's episode was pretty weak in terms of animation, very basic, without any fighting choreography at all.

I love the last two minutes of the episode tho, just as the leave the forest.

Next week is surprising. I don't like at all the excessive bloom/lighting effect that was used (in particular, in the opening Goku scene, it feels weird), but i have to say i like those kind of colours.

Can't wait to see more.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Mazingerdestro » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:46 pm

thegamer23 wrote:Today's episode was pretty weak in terms of animation, very basic, without any fighting choreography at all.

I love the last two minutes of the episode tho, just as the leave the forest.

Next week is surprising. I don't like at all the excessive bloom/lighting effect that was used (in particular, in the opening Goku scene, it feels weird), but i have to say i like those kind of colours.

Can't wait to see more.
It's a week before the new arc and instead of having breaks (like they should) they gave us 2 pretty enjoyable episodes. Give them a break

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by dhaval_dongre » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:52 pm

Avok wrote:Weird things is that the arc preview with the Gods doesn't look anything like it, and the colors are the same as before.
No it looks different. The Japanese version or rather the arc preview has effects similar to the NEP, but the skin done is darker or rather less lighter, the contrast has been turned down a little and the dark black lines surrounding the characters is thinner, making them look less blurry than the NEP version. Its different, at the same time not too crazy like the NEP version.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Alee9977 » Sun Jan 29, 2017 2:01 pm

dhaval_dongre wrote:
Avok wrote:Weird things is that the arc preview with the Gods doesn't look anything like it, and the colors are the same as before.
No it looks different. The Japanese version or rather the arc preview has effects similar to the NEP, but the skin done is darker or rather less lighter, the contrast has been turned down a little and the dark black lines surrounding the characters is thinner, making them look less blurry than the NEP version. Its different, at the same time not too crazy like the NEP version.
It actually has the same effects as the Japanese NEP, you can clearly see it in the final scene showing Goku's face.

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