Universal Survival Arc NEEDS to be Super's last arc

[mecha3000]

Okay, maybe it doesn't need to be. But I feel like it should be. I mean, with stakes as big as the title - This seems like a perfect arc to end Super. The fact that Bra's existence has finally been acknowledged makes it seem like the arc will be the last. Also, it'd be a nice parallel to have this HUGE STAKES tournament be followed by the epilogue LOW STAKES tournament where Goku fights Uub (Oob). I can even imagine the narrator saying "Years later, another tournament commenced - This time, however, the stakes were non-existent."

The reason I feel like Super should end after this arc is because I feel like Super shouldn't overstay its welcome. GT (the first sequel to DB and DBZ, as you all already know) aired from 1996-1997 from what I remember - so this means Super has been running one year longer than GT (or at least almost).

At this point, Toei should be focus its efforts on a new Dragon Ball series. Perhaps titled Dragon Ball Ultra, Dragon Ball Mega, Dragon Ball Generation (or Generation Z), Dragon Ball Next (all of these probably sound like fan-fiction titles, but you get the point)? With Bra's birth, I feel like this can set up a new series similar to GT where we see an older Pan and Uub leading the next generation of warriors. When Resurrection 'F' was announced to take place after the manga, I thought it meant the Goku teaching Uub-era. Well, I still want this and I've wanted this ever since the characters of Uub and Pan were introduced. Dragon Ball: Goku Time gave us a sneak peak of what that could be like, but it was still a Goku-focused series.

Basically, I feel like Super should end to bring in a new series that can start off with a fresh reputation (despite Super redeeming itself to many fans) and introduce us to new versions of Teen Uub, Pan, Bra, Young Adult Goten and Trunks, etc. Goku even told Goten and Trunks that Uub would look up to them (anime-only from what I remember) for guidance and I want to see this become a reality. Hopefully, this will come to pass either in Super or a new series (I have no idea if Super's been confirmed to continue though).......

[Yomi]

Or that "new series" could just be a part of Super, super is barely in the 70's it's not like it would be too long.

[The gr]

My gosh that ideas sound to fanficy and honestly bra has nothing interesting to offer toriyama is not the type of writer who changes his main character plus nothing is indicating that the universe survival arc is going to be final arc

[mecha3000]

Or that "new series" could just be a part of Super, super is barely in the 70's it's not like it would be too long.

True, but let's not forget the new arc hasn't even started yet. I have a feeling this arc will bring Super to a hundred episodes (or close) and by then, it would be about as long as Yu Yu Hakusho - which is great for any anime series. I never even thought Super would make it this far so it wouldn't be bad to end it this year. And like I said, I'd rather have a new series for some reason. Is it just me or do I feel like Super is really the story of "What the hell went down in the ten-year gap" while a new series would be "What the hell went down after the ten-year gap and beyond (besides GT)"?

Toriyama even said Super is set in the ten-year gap period because this is when the characters were still in their prime. However, a new series could be a new story about the new characters in their prime such as: Well, you already know the ones I mentioned.

Also, I don't know what's so bad about a new series being created - It's not like fans won't still get more story. However, one more arc I forgot to mention is a "Planet Sadla Arc". If this followed the Universal Survival Arc, I wouldn't mind more Super. Also, if a future story involves Goku's mother Gine. Other than those two stories - As of right now, I kind of want a fresh new series once the new arc is finished. But I don't mind if Super continues instead of a new series. We all win either way, right?

[The_Destroyer]

And ignore other potential storylines such as Vegeta's visit to Planet Sadla and the dragon god Zalama?

[MagmonKai]

I don't get everyone's fascination with making this be the last arc? Why?? It don't need to be Super's Last arc. It needs to keep going for as long as it can generate revenue. Seriously? What's wrong with you people.

[Chuquita]

I don't have any interest in the "next generation" or the idea of this boring-but-hopefully-not tournament being the "last arc". I still wanna have Gokû and Vegeta visit Planet Salad!

[mecha3000]

I don't have any interest in the "next generation" or the idea of this boring-but-hopefully-not tournament being the "last arc". I still wanna have Gokû and Vegeta visit Planet Salad!

Yeah, the Planet Salad arc is the ONLY thing I feel Super really has left unless they focus an arc on other parts of the DB world that Super hasn't already teased. But the reason the Universal Survival Arc feels like the last arc is because it is introducing ALL THE GODS, ANGELS, ETC. FOR ALL THE UNIVERSES!!!! I don't know why it's so hard to grasp why this would make us think this could be Super's last arc.

Side note: Do any of you guys have an interest in the future of DB besides all of the characters remaining the same age and never developing? Dragon Ball has always been evolving its characters in terms of age, but the whole idea that we can't have a next generation sort of story confuses me. I guess a GT-esque Goku-centric story is what the fans want? Just kidding, but still - Dragon Ball can't always be stuck in this weird period where characters don't seem to be aging. At least, in my opinion. It's nice for nostalgia and to introduce new fans (younger generation) to these characters, but at some point - I feel we need to move on from this time loop period. (Also, it's not like Goku or Vegeta still wouldn't be around to manage the new generation)

[Mazingerdestro]

Super hasn't overstayed anything. On the contrary, super has a lot of potential that can be utilised. Unlike gt, which lacked in actual story, super's premise is exciting. They extended the universe and now fans are crazy about exploring new planets and seen different people.
Going all out with the universal arc so fast means that they have many more plans for the future. Yes it sounds weird but this arc could be basically the introduction to a universal trip or a "grand tour". Goku will talk to the gods, some will like him, others will hate him but everyone will be interested in his power and mentality. Heck what most people don't get is that NOBODY stated that this tournament needs to happen once. Probably, the clown God (Loki) will call universes 6 and 7 cheaters for having their own tournament prior to this one and training in advance. This may lead to the whole thing been cancelled and re-planned for the future.
Super can literally do anything now.

YmThe first comment implies fatigue. If you don't like the series drop it and return in a year. You will enjoy it more

[TheUltimateNinja]

I don't understand this obsession with the "next generation". If Goku was phased out as the main character I'd just stop watching, the so called next generation is totally uninteresting. Only Goten and Trunks were somewhat redeemable back in the Buu Arc, but their current incarnations totally suck.

[sintzu]

I think it's way too early to end Super, even though we're in the late 70's, only 35 of those episodes are "new" content while the others are filler and movie retellings.

[mecha3000]

Super hasn't overstayed anything. On the contrary, super has a lot of potential that can be utilised. Unlike gt, which lacked in actual story, super's premise is exciting. They extended the universe and now fans are crazy about exploring new planets and seen different people.
Going all out with the universal arc so fast means that they have many more plans for the future. Yes it sounds weird but this arc could be basically the introduction to a universal trip or a "grand tour". Goku will talk to the gods, some will like him, others will hate him but everyone will be interested in his power and mentality. Heck what most people don't get is that NOBODY stated that this tournament needs to happen once. Probably, the clown God (Loki) will call universes 6 and 7 cheaters for having their own tournament prior to this one and training in advance. This may lead to the whole thing been cancelled and re-planned for the future.
Super can literally do anything now.

YmThe first comment implies fatigue. If you don't like the series drop it and return in a year. You will enjoy it more

It's not that I don't like Super. I just feel like it'd be nice for Super to end on a good note (Universal Survival Arc, hopefully) and usher in a new series that can start off without retellings and can be its own thing, if you know what I mean. But 100% of the replies I'm getting don't agree with me, which is fine by me - Everyone has the right to their own opinion. However, I'm not changing my tune. (In my opinion) DB NEEDS to tell the story of Uub being Goku's disciple. It was set up so nicely. Uub is an underrated character because his story hasn't truly been told. All we have is GT to go by.

However, perhaps Super will one day tell Uub's story. So yeah, I guess this discussion has reached its end.

[sintzu]

I don't understand this obsession with the "next generation". If Goku was phased out as the main character I'd just stop watching, the so called next generation is totally uninteresting.

I wouldn't mind the next generation but Goku and Vegeta would still have to be the main characters to keep the franchise alive, both for fans and the companies.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I don't understand this obsession with the "next generation". If Goku was phased out as the main character I'd just stop watching, the so called next generation is totally uninteresting.

I wouldn't mind the next generation but Goku and Vegeta would still have to be the main characters to keep the franchise alive, both for fans and the companies.

Their personalities don't really fit the kind of series DB is. Gohan's somewhat pacifistic nature, for example, was interesting back in the Cell Arc, but it'd be incredibly tedious to have to deal with his dislike for fighting every arc.

[Faisal Shourov]

Super hasn't overstayed anything. The first 28 episodes were movie retellings, you could skip them and it won't matter. There have only been 48 original episodes in DBS, it's still shorter than GT. Super needs at least 100 original episodes to make the reboot of franchise worthwhile. So it should go on for at least 50 episodes more

[sintzu]

Their personalities don't really fit the kind of series DB is.

IF they were to bring them on board (big IF) then they'd have to change them up a big and keep Goku and Vegeta front and center of the story.

[Theophrastus]

Super's whole "thing" that warrants its existence in the first place, more or less, is exploring the whole 12 universes idea. ...But the concept behind this arc is explicitly "All the universes will fight and all the losing universes will be destroyed by the Zen'ou until only 1 remains".

We already know that Universe 7 is going to survive in the end because the end portion of the manga exists. So the other 11 universes are all going to be destroyed this arc (and probably the Super Dragon Balls too, by virtue of half of them being in Universe 6). You can't have future arcs taking place in universes that no longer exist, and Universe 7 itself is kinda exhausted of interesting ideas/legitimate threats at this point. There's not really going to be anywhere to go from this arc aside from maybe a timeskip to Goku and Vegeta having grown strong enough to defeat Beerus in a fight, and them doing just that.

That being said, it's not like this arc needs to be short. I could see it easily lasting 50 episodes or so if they really wanted it too.

[sintzu]

The other 11 universes are all going to be destroyed this arc.

That won't happen.

It would make 0 sense to destroy all those universes this soon or at all.

[TheMathemagician]

The other 11 universes are all going to be destroyed this arc.

That won't happen.

It would make 0 sense to destroy all those universes this soon or at all.

It might happen, but destroying them for good really would make zero sense. As for the topic as a whole, I can't say I'm supporting the idea of this being Super's final saga. Not to mention it doesn't need to be. Also, if a villain needs to be created from thin air, Toriyama always could just do it, similarly to how Cell and Boo came up. I also don't have any desire for the new generation tbh.

[ChaosLordBrandon]

The other 11 universes are all going to be destroyed this arc.

That won't happen.

It would make 0 sense to destroy all those universes this soon or at all.

Even if they do get destroyed, goku will just bring them back some how.