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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:42 pm

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MyNiggaGoku wrote:I want Super's final arc to be based around GT's final arc,the Evil Dragons arc,which is imo one of the best in the series.
Why? It was fun enough in GT, and even made for a great ending. However, I'd rather them do something original, not to mention that it would be tonally backwards from the arcs we've gotten so far.
I would like such ending only if the usage of the Super Dragon Balls becomes excessive.I don't want a shameless copy of the GT arc but instead something with a similar theme.Don't know why but I find this whole ''the Dragon Balls are now your enemies because you abused them'' thing pretty cool.
A good idea but wasn't executed well. I think Super would make this arc a little darker and more serious so I probably would like it better.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Gog » Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:45 pm

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Some people claim that Dragon Ball Multiverse is nearly better than Dragon Ball Super in every way, despite that statement being complete horse shit, they then went on to claim that it was better than it with the original characters, an at that point I trailed off, as they even had the balls to list Freeza as a character done better in Dragon Ball Multiverse.

So I've decided to do a super rant of sorts divided into three parts, 1. The main cast, and canon characters, 2. The O.C'S, 3. The main character, I'll rant and break down each individual one.

Now I won't even bother with talking about Freeza, and his brother as they are shat on time, and time, and time again, that mentioning them longer than they should be is honestly a mercy. But I will say this Dragon Ball Super has treated Freeza with a thousand times more respect than Dragon Ball Multiverse has in its nine year run.

Goku, now despite him not being the center of attention, and not getting a single good fight, and him not getting the center of attention, for the times that we do get to see him. I will argue that even Dragon Ball Super Goku is better than him, but for the sole fact that there's just nothing to come off Goku in Dragon Ball Multiverse. He's there. And he's only there to lose to Vegeta.

'Ginyu' I was honest to god conflicted on whenever or not to put Ginyu in the O.C Section, or the character section. Because he's just so anti Ginyu, he hasn't exhibited a single one of his likeable traits, he didn't dance once, didn't show how he was honorable, blah, blah, blah, he wasn't Ginyu, and if you hadn't called him Ginyu people would believe you as he just doesn't have a single trait from him. And even him being cold was lame, as it completely shat all over the image that Cold was a badass.

Vegeta now despite all of this Vegeta is similar to his EOZ self, we've managed to figure this out by all the screen time he's had. Honestly not much to say about him, he's just better than he is, in Super, even though Super Vegeta is more entertaining.

Goten, and Trunks, their both somehow still possess their kid personality, they are both literally the same characters that they were in Dragon Ball Z.

Piccolo, does this man even have any screen time? Does he actually do anything?

Gohan, now honestly Dragon Ball Multiverse does him really well, putting more emphasize on the father bit, rather than the fighter bit.

Videl, not enough screen time, skip.

Pan, she's actually incredibly well done in this version, as not a whole lot actually hate her guts, and she has had some very story driven moments.

Dabura, is a pathetic but monkey unfortunately.

18, and 17 I'm honest to god baffled with these two, they've been killing off most of humanity for years, and years, and they didn't really want to do all of the bad things they did? Seriously these two are just cheap shlock.

The supreme kai's, pathetic, psychopathic murderous baby killers, who deserves no less than a sword rammed into their stomachs, and have it dragged upwards, painfully, as they slowly die.

Buu, a fun, loveable character, and is literally the best character in the fan manga. Raichi, the most complex, and dark of the characters, together you'll find out that these characters are literally too good to be true. And especially in this web comic.

Vegito, Slagir has completely and utterly ruined his character, turning him into an angry, violent, arrogant, egotistical, and being so un Goku like it actually hurts. He's also hogs up most of the screen time, to the point where people actually don't like him. He's also the second main character

O.C'S

Now Slagir's O.C'S have a habit of being as dry as coco puff's but is this really true?

The heliotes, besides their knock off powers, god's blade = Kienzan, but better!1!!111 They don't really have all that memorable of a personality, and a design, their just sorta there. And honestly I think half the reason why they were given a sad backstory in the first place was so that they would make the main character look good in comparison.

Gast, now Gast is his own character, he's got a personality, its just that he's completely, and utterly bland, and a bore to listen to. There's no one bouncing off him, he hardly interacts with anyone, his best moments are when he's more evil good, not stoic, in fact he's to much Piccolo.

I'K'L This isn't a character, more of a worthless gag, skip!

The bojack girls, or a bunch of equally worthless, boring bunch of stereotypes, they never contributed anything. Skip.

The main character

Now that we've got the fuckton of characters out of the way. Let's narrow out sight onto the main character on Dragon Ball Multiverse Bra. Now Bra is an arrogant jerkass, with no redeeming qualities, she's also a creator's pet, which is evidenced by Slagir's bafflement that he expresses, and the way that he constantly compares her to Vegeta, not understanding why he's popular and she's not. She's also a literal Jerk sue, a karma Houdini, and she reduces the main cast of characters to awestruck cheerleaders worried about her safety.

What the hell did I just write up?

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by The gr » Sun Jan 29, 2017 5:59 pm

Gog wrote:Rant (I don't know anymore)

[spoiler]Some people claim that Dragon Ball Multiverse is nearly better than Dragon Ball Super in every way, despite that statement being complete horse shit, they then went on to claim that it was better than it with the original characters, an at that point I trailed off, as they even had the balls to list Freeza as a character done better in Dragon Ball Multiverse.

So I've decided to do a super rant of sorts divided into three parts, 1. The main cast, and canon characters, 2. The O.C'S, 3. The main character, I'll rant and break down each individual one.

Now I won't even bother with talking about Freeza, and his brother as they are shat on time, and time, and time again, that mentioning them longer than they should be is honestly a mercy. But I will say this Dragon Ball Super has treated Freeza with a thousand times more respect than Dragon Ball Multiverse has in its nine year run.

Goku, now despite him not being the center of attention, and not getting a single good fight, and him not getting the center of attention, for the times that we do get to see him. I will argue that even Dragon Ball Super Goku is better than him, but for the sole fact that there's just nothing to come off Goku in Dragon Ball Multiverse. He's there. And he's only there to lose to Vegeta.

'Ginyu' I was honest to god conflicted on whenever or not to put Ginyu in the O.C Section, or the character section. Because he's just so anti Ginyu, he hasn't exhibited a single one of his likeable traits, he didn't dance once, didn't show how he was honorable, blah, blah, blah, he wasn't Ginyu, and if you hadn't called him Ginyu people would believe you as he just doesn't have a single trait from him. And even him being cold was lame, as it completely shat all over the image that Cold was a badass.

Vegeta now despite all of this Vegeta is similar to his EOZ self, we've managed to figure this out by all the screen time he's had. Honestly not much to say about him, he's just better than he is, in Super, even though Super Vegeta is more entertaining.

Goten, and Trunks, their both somehow still possess their kid personality, they are both literally the same characters that they were in Dragon Ball Z.

Piccolo, does this man even have any screen time? Does he actually do anything?

Gohan, now honestly Dragon Ball Multiverse does him really well, putting more emphasize on the father bit, rather than the fighter bit.

Videl, not enough screen time, skip.

Pan, she's actually incredibly well done in this version, as not a whole lot actually hate her guts, and she has had some very story driven moments.

Dabura, is a pathetic but monkey unfortunately.

18, and 17 I'm honest to god baffled with these two, they've been killing off most of humanity for years, and years, and they didn't really want to do all of the bad things they did? Seriously these two are just cheap shlock.

The supreme kai's, pathetic, psychopathic murderous baby killers, who deserves no less than a sword rammed into their stomachs, and have it dragged upwards, painfully, as they slowly die.

Buu, a fun, loveable character, and is literally the best character in the fan manga. Raichi, the most complex, and dark of the characters, together you'll find out that these characters are literally too good to be true. And especially in this web comic.

Vegito, Slagir has completely and utterly ruined his character, turning him into an angry, violent, arrogant, egotistical, and being so un Goku like it actually hurts. He's also hogs up most of the screen time, to the point where people actually don't like him. He's also the second main character

O.C'S

Now Slagir's O.C'S have a habit of being as dry as coco puff's but is this really true?

The heliotes, besides their knock off powers, god's blade = Kienzan, but better!1!!111 They don't really have all that memorable of a personality, and a design, their just sorta there. And honestly I think half the reason why they were given a sad backstory in the first place was so that they would make the main character look good in comparison.

Gast, now Gast is his own character, he's got a personality, its just that he's completely, and utterly bland, and a bore to listen to. There's no one bouncing off him, he hardly interacts with anyone, his best moments are when he's more evil good, not stoic, in fact he's to much Piccolo.

I'K'L This isn't a character, more of a worthless gag, skip!

The bojack girls, or a bunch of equally worthless, boring bunch of stereotypes, they never contributed anything. Skip.

The main character

Now that we've got the fuckton of characters out of the way. Let's narrow out sight onto the main character on Dragon Ball Multiverse Bra. Now Bra is an arrogant jerkass, with no redeeming qualities, she's also a creator's pet, which is evidenced by Slagir's bafflement that he expresses, and the way that he constantly compares her to Vegeta, not understanding why he's popular and she's not. She's also a literal Jerk sue, a karma Houdini, and she reduces the main cast of characters to awestruck cheerleaders worried about her safety.[/spoiler]

What the hell did I just write up?
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Anime Kitten » Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:02 pm

I know I've brought this up before, but I'll just write it here "officially":

U16 Bra is my favorite Dragon Ball Multiverse character, followed by U16 Vegetto.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Gog » Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:04 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:I know I've brought this up before, but I'll just write it here "officially":

U16 Bra is my favorite Dragon Ball Multiverse character, followed by U16 Vegetto.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Boo Machine » Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:06 pm

Bra and Vegetto used to be one of my favorite things in Multiverse as well. I don't remember where this whole thing fell off for me. I do remember I stopped reading at a point they were producing "Special Chapters" one after the other.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Gog » Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:09 pm

Boo Machine wrote:Bra and Vegetto used to be one of my favorite things in Multiverse as well. I don't remember where this whole thing fell off for me. I do remember I stopped reading at a point they were producing "Special Chapters" one after the other.
The only reason why the special chapters are there is to give the main artist some breathing time. Or so the main artist can complete more work, they are what allow three pages per week

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Boo Machine » Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:11 pm

Gog wrote:
Boo Machine wrote:Bra and Vegetto used to be one of my favorite things in Multiverse as well. I don't remember where this whole thing fell off for me. I do remember I stopped reading at a point they were producing "Special Chapters" one after the other.
The only reason why the special chapters are there is to give the main artist some breathing time. Or so the main artist can complete more work, they are what allow three pages per week

Makes sense. I think I just got bored with it and dropped it to wait for actual chapters. Then I completely forgot it's existence until recently. I haven't heard good things since then.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Gog » Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:15 pm

Boo Machine wrote:
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Boo Machine wrote:Bra and Vegetto used to be one of my favorite things in Multiverse as well. I don't remember where this whole thing fell off for me. I do remember I stopped reading at a point they were producing "Special Chapters" one after the other.
The only reason why the special chapters are there is to give the main artist some breathing time. Or so the main artist can complete more work, they are what allow three pages per week

Makes sense. I think I just got bored with it and dropped it to wait for actual chapters. Then I completely forgot it's existence until recently. I haven't heard good things since then.
Yeah, this chapter nearly ruined its reputation.

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Post by Anime Kitten » Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:51 pm

Gog wrote:*gets triggered* "HERETIC, BURN THE TRAITOR!" Gog screamed*
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Another opinion: Ending songs (Super or otherwise) don't need to fit the tone of the current arc or events.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

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Anime Kitten wrote:
Gog wrote:*gets triggered* "HERETIC, BURN THE TRAITOR!" Gog screamed*
[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]
WANNA FIGHT?!

Another opinion: Ending songs (Super or otherwise) don't need to fit the tone of the current arc or events.
I'm not sure that's an unpopular opinion since yoka dance was criticized because it did not fit the tone of the arc
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

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Anime Kitten wrote:
Gog wrote:*gets triggered* "HERETIC, BURN THE TRAITOR!" Gog screamed*
[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]
WANNA FIGHT?!

Another opinion: Ending songs (Super or otherwise) don't need to fit the tone of the current arc or events.
[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:11 pm

I find Toriyama's stance that the Dragon Ball's are always a good thing really moronic. They're a tool like anything else and he's written storylines where they're an asset and a detriment depending on who uses them. Hell, the Black arc is pretty much the biggest non-GT example we have of how they're deadly when you put them in the wrong hands.

The DBs are not more automatically good or evil than electricity is.
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Post by Gog » Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:15 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:I find Toriyama's stance that the Dragon Ball's are always a good thing really moronic. They're a tool like anything else and he's written storylines where they're an asset and a detriment depending on who uses them. Hell, the Black arc is pretty much the biggest non-GT example we have of how they're deadly when you put them in the wrong hands.

The DBs are not more automatically good or evil than electricity is.
Wait a minute? Toriyama believes those things to be good? When did he state that? The only thing good about them is that they can be used for good.

They can also be used for evil

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Post by kinisking » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:34 pm

The gr wrote:
Anime Kitten wrote:
Gog wrote:*gets triggered* "HERETIC, BURN THE TRAITOR!" Gog screamed*
[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]
WANNA FIGHT?!

Another opinion: Ending songs (Super or otherwise) don't need to fit the tone of the current arc or events.
I'm not sure that's an unpopular opinion since yoka dance was criticized because it did not fit the tone of the arc
Did you misread what he said? He said that they don't need to fit the tone of the arc which is obviously an unpopular opinion if people didn't like yoka yoka dance because it didn't fit the tone of the arc. I agree with Anime kitten. Once the show is over I disconnect the ending with what's going on the show anyways. As long as it sounds nice,which yoka yoka dance did, then I'm fine.
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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:56 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:I find Toriyama's stance that the Dragon Ball's are always a good thing really moronic. They're a tool like anything else and he's written storylines where they're an asset and a detriment depending on who uses them. Hell, the Black arc is pretty much the biggest non-GT example we have of how they're deadly when you put them in the wrong hands.

The DBs are not more automatically good or evil than electricity is.
Wasn't this sentiment all but retconned in the Kanzenban ending?
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Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:I find Toriyama's stance that the Dragon Ball's are always a good thing really moronic. They're a tool like anything else and he's written storylines where they're an asset and a detriment depending on who uses them. Hell, the Black arc is pretty much the biggest non-GT example we have of how they're deadly when you put them in the wrong hands.

The DBs are not more automatically good or evil than electricity is.
Wasn't this sentiment all but retconned in the Kanzenban ending?
How exactly was this retconned in the Kanzenban ending?

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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:33 am

Gog wrote:How exactly was this retconned in the Kanzenban ending?
In the original, the manga ends with something like "Earth will always be safe as long as we have the Dragon Balls". In the Kanzenban ending, it was changed to something like "Earth will be safe as long as these amazing guys are protecting it". Obviously not direct quotes, but that's the sentiment behind each ending.
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Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Gog wrote:How exactly was this retconned in the Kanzenban ending?
In the original, the manga ends with something like "Earth will always be safe as long as we have the Dragon Balls". In the Kanzenban ending, it was changed to something like "Earth will be safe as long as these amazing guys are protecting it". Obviously not direct quotes, but that's the sentiment behind each ending.
Thank's for taking the time to specify that. Also did it mean that they could just simply revive people with the dragon balls?

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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:02 am

I should probably check before I run my mouth, but from memory, it wasn't anything that specific.
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