Universal Survival Arc NEEDS to be Super's last arc

[sintzu]

It might happen, but destroying them for good really would make zero sense.

If a villain needs to be created from thin air, Toriyama always could just do it, similarly to how Cell and Boo came up.

Of course there's a small chance it'll happen but I think Zeno is either just saying that to get everyone's best or Goku will be able to get them to change their mind about it.

That's what he does all the time. he rarely foreshadows future events but insted he puts everything into the arc that he's working on.

[Grimlock]

I still want to see planet Sadala and more character development for Cabba before anything else. So that hardly makes that Universe Survival saga "needs" to be the last one. There is still a lot of content to be covered, expanded upon.

[Basaku]

Just by looking at the fact that they've done new OP, I don't expect Super to last shorter than ~150 eps. That would be appropirate IMO and allow time to exhaust most of the major concepts introduced in it without keeping the series stuck longer in one time period than any other previous saga. After that, it definitely has to move forward. Passage of time, characters growing up & progress has been the stample of DB and something the franchise was never afraid of. I'm not interested in watching Buu-era incarnations of the cast forever

[pacz360]

I don't understand this obsession with the "next generation". If Goku was phased out as the main character I'd just stop watching, the so called next generation is totally uninteresting. Only Goten and Trunks were somewhat redeemable back in the Buu Arc, but their current incarnations totally suck.

Same both trunks and goten are boring and useless the only I have hopes for is pan .

[Basaku]

Same both trunks and goten are boring and useless the only I have hopes for is pan .

Everyone will be boring and useless if Goku & Vegeta keep sucking out the screentime from the whole show

[Ki Breaker]

This could be the last arc based solely on the fact if they screw this one up too, toriyama should stop writing

[Gog]

I don't understand this obsession with the "next generation". If Goku was phased out as the main character I'd just stop watching, the so called next generation is totally uninteresting. Only Goten and Trunks were somewhat redeemable back in the Buu Arc, but their current incarnations totally suck.

Same both trunks and goten are boring and useless the only I have hopes for is pan .

Yeah from what we've seen of Pan, Toriyama appears to be setting her up as something great, prehaps with Uub she'll replace Goku, and Vegeta later on?

[Nano]

GT was only a year due to poor ratings and its merchandise not selling. Super is doing great right now in Japan on both fronts. As long as those two things stay on the up and up it's not going anywhere. This arc will not be the last.

[Ki Breaker]

I don't understand this obsession with the "next generation". If Goku was phased out as the main character I'd just stop watching, the so called next generation is totally uninteresting. Only Goten and Trunks were somewhat redeemable back in the Buu Arc, but their current incarnations totally suck.

Same both trunks and goten are boring and useless the only I have hopes for is pan .

Yeah from what we've seen of Pan, Toriyama appears to be setting her up as something great, prehaps with Uub she'll replace Goku, and Vegeta later on?

Not really, they are just taking them to their eoz personas, nobody is replacing goku and Vegeta, gohan couldn't because goku fit the main role best, what makes anyone think a pan and uub are even close to goku in personality is beyond me.. both of them are as boring as it gets, replacing with them will result in me quitting the series

[Gog]

Same both trunks and goten are boring and useless the only I have hopes for is pan .

Yeah from what we've seen of Pan, Toriyama appears to be setting her up as something great, prehaps with Uub she'll replace Goku, and Vegeta later on?

Not really, they are just taking them to their eoz personas, nobody is replacing goku and Vegeta, gohan couldn't because goku fit the main role best, what makes anyone think a pan and uub are even close to goku in personality is beyond me.. both of them are as boring as it gets, replacing with them will result in me quitting the series

Pan does have the potential to be one of the main cast. And if Uub is done right he would be pretty good. But I don't want them to replace Goku, and Vegeta just for those two to mentor them.

[Ki Breaker]

Yeah from what we've seen of Pan, Toriyama appears to be setting her up as something great, prehaps with Uub she'll replace Goku, and Vegeta later on?

Not really, they are just taking them to their eoz personas, nobody is replacing goku and Vegeta, gohan couldn't because goku fit the main role best, what makes anyone think a pan and uub are even close to goku in personality is beyond me.. both of them are as boring as it gets, replacing with them will result in me quitting the series

Pan does have the potential to be one of the main cast. And if Uub is done right he would be pretty good. But I don't want them to replace Goku, and Vegeta just for those two to mentor them.

You did mention you want them to replace them in the previous post..
My point is, pan is a really boring character to me for now, even her eoz persona is nothing but cute, that trait can only be somewhat connected to kid Gohan who wasn't suitable to take the main role, so that isn't happening, not a chance..
I would like pan to stay out of fighting and the show itself if she is going to turn even 1℅ of her gt self, which has a big chance considering she would be handled by toie..

Uub I can somewhat see taking up the third character role alongside the main two

[Gog]

Not really, they are just taking them to their eoz personas, nobody is replacing goku and Vegeta, gohan couldn't because goku fit the main role best, what makes anyone think a pan and uub are even close to goku in personality is beyond me.. both of them are as boring as it gets, replacing with them will result in me quitting the series

Pan does have the potential to be one of the main cast. And if Uub is done right he would be pretty good. But I don't want them to replace Goku, and Vegeta just for those two to mentor them.

You did mention you want them to replace them in the previous post..
My point is, pan is a really boring character to me for now, even her eoz persona is nothing but cute, that trait can only be somewhat connected to kid Gohan who wasn't suitable to take the main role, so that isn't happening, not a chance..
I would like pan to stay out of fighting and the show itself if she is going to turn even 1℅ of her gt self, which has a big chance considering she would be handled by toie..

Uub I can somewhat see taking up the third character role alongside the main two

Well the only reason why her EOZ persona is only cute is because she was in a very few amount of frames. I'm sure they'll expand on her character, and role. I'm also sure they won't botch up her character. Don't worry Toriyama is there as well this time. So it's not like it was before.

[Ki Breaker]

Pan does have the potential to be one of the main cast. And if Uub is done right he would be pretty good. But I don't want them to replace Goku, and Vegeta just for those two to mentor them.

You did mention you want them to replace them in the previous post..
My point is, pan is a really boring character to me for now, even her eoz persona is nothing but cute, that trait can only be somewhat connected to kid Gohan who wasn't suitable to take the main role, so that isn't happening, not a chance..
I would like pan to stay out of fighting and the show itself if she is going to turn even 1℅ of her gt self, which has a big chance considering she would be handled by toie..

Uub I can somewhat see taking up the third character role alongside the main two

Well the only reason why her EOZ persona is only cute is because she was in a very few amount of frames. I'm sure they'll expand on her character, and role. I'm also sure they won't botch up her character. Don't worry Toriyama is there as well this time. So it's not like it was before.

She didn't have only few frames, she was a significant part of an entire episode, that's all the development a toddler can get really..
I wouldn't be too sure about this, toie goku has brain damage Krillin is a pussy, future trunks has a plethora of techniques up his butt and vets stronger because if friendship..
It won't be a stretch to say pan will start to speak nonsense when she learns to open her mouth..

[Gog]

You did mention you want them to replace them in the previous post..
My point is, pan is a really boring character to me for now, even her eoz persona is nothing but cute, that trait can only be somewhat connected to kid Gohan who wasn't suitable to take the main role, so that isn't happening, not a chance..
I would like pan to stay out of fighting and the show itself if she is going to turn even 1℅ of her gt self, which has a big chance considering she would be handled by toie..

Uub I can somewhat see taking up the third character role alongside the main two

Well the only reason why her EOZ persona is only cute is because she was in a very few amount of frames. I'm sure they'll expand on her character, and role. I'm also sure they won't botch up her character. Don't worry Toriyama is there as well this time. So it's not like it was before.

She didn't have only few frames, she was a significant part of an entire episode, that's all the development a toddler can get really..
I wouldn't be too sure about this, toie goku has brain damage Krillin is a pussy, future trunks has a plethora of techniques up his butt and vets stronger because if friendship..
It won't be a stretch to say pan will start to speak nonsense when she learns to open her mouth..

Actually in the original manga she hardly got enough screen time for Toriyama to actually give her any personality. I won't argue about Goku, Krillin was always a coward. Can't argue with Trunk's even though he got better moments than he did in the manga. Toriyama is here, believe in him, and we shall prevail

[Ki Breaker]

Actually in the original manga she hardly got enough screen time for Toriyama to actually give her any personality. I won't argue about Goku, Krillin was always a coward. Can't argue with Trunk's even though he got better moments than he did in the manga. Toriyama is here, believe in him, and we shall prevail

You specifically mentioned frames, the episode comparison was necessary..
Yeah.. let's not argue about Krillin, even though he was never coward enough to turn into a pussy.. this ain't suitable for this thread..
Well, I wouldn't have my hopes up, if she turns out okay it's good..

[Gog]

Actually in the original manga she hardly got enough screen time for Toriyama to actually give her any personality. I won't argue about Goku, Krillin was always a coward. Can't argue with Trunk's even though he got better moments than he did in the manga. Toriyama is here, believe in him, and we shall prevail

You specifically mentioned frames, the episode comparison was necessary..
Yeah.. let's not argue about Krillin, even though he was never coward enough to turn into a pussy.. this ain't suitable for this thread..
Well, I wouldn't have my hopes up, if she turns out okay it's good..

Yeah in the end we can only hope, and pray that Toriyama can fight off Toei to the point where he can make them both good, entertaining, and well developed characters.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

DBS needs to end for the sake of the staff and if the higher-ups care even a little for them. I also hope it ends after this arc. The show is produced in hell and it's probably why we never get any interviews from the staff.

It can come back a year later with better planning and better staff with a better schedule. But, that's what I want. What will happen is it will continue cause it's selling well and the committee will not care for the staff and obviously care more for the money. Which is sad, but true.

[SansrivaaL]

I hope it ends, honestly the only reason that keeps me from not dropping this is because of its good timeslot.
Animation=shit
Plot=shit
Art=shit
I keep waiting for an episode where Super can wow me, sadly it has yet to come and I gave up on the idea for it to WOW me like the good ol days with DB and DBZ.
Goku's a bumbling idiot
Vegeta's become way too soft
Gohan's become a total nerd
the list goes on.

[Ki Breaker]

I hope it ends, honestly the only reason that keeps me from not dropping this is because of its good timeslot.
Animation=shit
Plot=shit
Art=shit
I keep waiting for an episode where Super can wow me, sadly it has yet to come and I gave up on the idea for it to WOW me like the good ol days with DB and DBZ.
Goku's a bumbling idiot
Vegeta's become way too soft
Gohan's become a total nerd
the list goes on.

It's fine, that's the case with a lot of us, at Least with me for quite a while..
Hopefully they get it together in this next arc

[Legion]

Last arc? So, Zamasu it would be the only real villain in super? No Beerus vs Goku rematch? we'll never see the other universes? well, i hope no.