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Gog wrote:huh that is an interesting analysis on it. I've always assumed that due to Hit, and Finial form Freeza being nowhere near as strong, the fusion's base strength wouldn't rise much from Hit's base from. But the fusion would benefit from the power boost that the golden form would enable.
For me, the basic power boosts would be based on the fusees base forms, or in other words, their natural states, and that any transformations available would just be an addition to that power. It doesn't matter much for Goku and Vegeta, who are both Saiyans with the same transformations (aside from SS3), but it would affect Freeza's and Hit's fusion.
This is also why I believe that if Goku and Gohan did fuse in the Boo Arc, they would've been significantly weaker than Vegetto, despite the fact that Gohan was a whole lot stronger than Goku and Vegeta combined. After the potential unlock, Gohan's Super Saiyan power and then some was allocated to his base form. This is in contrast to Goku, who needs to transform to access 99.75% of his power. So a hypothetical Kuhan would have a mega powerful base, but his Super Saiyan forms would give off far less than the full 50/100/400 fold boosts that they normally would. Though once again, that's just like, my opinion, man.
DanielSSJ wrote:This is also why I believe that if Goku and Gohan did fuse in the Boo Arc, they would've been significantly weaker than Vegetto, despite the fact that Gohan was a whole lot stronger than Goku and Vegeta combined. After the potential unlock, Gohan's Super Saiyan power and then some was allocated to his base form. This is in contrast to Goku, who needs to transform to access 99.75% of his power. So a hypothetical Kuhan would have a mega powerful base, but his Super Saiyan forms would give off far less than the full 50/100/400 fold boosts that they normally would. Though once again, that's just like, my opinion, man.
And it's a good analysis, I share this same view as well.
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Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
TheUltimateNinja wrote:How big is the gap between BoG Goku and Buu Arc Goku?
I don't think the gap is that big. Considering BoG Base Goku is still weaker than Frieza, and also how Goku stated he was reaching his limits, so his power wouldn't be increasing a lot. That's, of course, before he recieved his god transformation.
TheUltimateNinja wrote:How big is the gap between BoG Goku and Buu Arc Goku?
I don't think the gap is that big. Considering BoG Base Goku is still weaker than Frieza, and also how Goku stated he was reaching his limits, so his power wouldn't be increasing a lot. That's, of course, before he recieved his god transformation.
I have Buu Arc Goku at 80 million, so there's still a 50% power gap between him and Frieza, BoG Goku could get a good deal stronger and still remain below him. I'm thinking he reaches 90 million in the anime and 100 million in the movies/manga.
dragon boss z wrote:There is no indication Krillin got stronger throughout the battle. The only things he did was kienzan Frieza's tail off and distract him with a ki blast with Gohan. Maybe he did get up to 75,000 but I don't think there is enough proof to say that for sure.
Vegeta telling Freeza straight up that Gohan's and Kuririn's powers were rising, and an official source stating Kuririn's battle power as 75k is proof enough for me.
Ya Veget said their powers were rising, but did he mean by the second? Because to Vegeta Krillin's and Gohan's power wwer only in the low thousands not to long ago and now all of a sudden they are over 10,000.
And that power level came from V-jump, the same people who gave Cooler a power level of 470,000,000 and said Dore was stronger than Salza. Also the same scan that says Krillin is 75,000 says Nail is 4,200 (which is a typo, but would you really trust a scan with a typo?)
dragon boss z wrote:And that power level came from V-jump, the same people who gave Cooler a power level of 470,000,000 and said Dore was stronger than Salza. Also the same scan that says Krillin is 75,000 says Nail is 4,200 (which is a typo, but would you really trust a scan with a typo?)
Once more (are you the same person?), you're confusing Weekly Shounen Jump with V-Jump. Dore & Sauzer's Battle Powers are from the former source (No. 25, 1991 issue). Kuririn's Battle Power was provided by V-Jump's first issue (12 December 1990), the source that tends to have its information reprinted in databooks & was minding the original manga's story. Attacking a typo that was comprehensible through its own context is rather disingenuous, wouldn't you say?
Coola's "estimated" Battle Power applied to a video game (Dragon Ball Z 3). It wasn't manga-specific information like with the Namek arc era guide thus it would serve one well to consider the appropriate background of what's being read. I think it suffices to say that gameplay isn't meant to contain main series-specific figures. On that note, it was Coola, Broli, & Gogeta's 3D debut. They were being hyped for the product they were going to be featured in. At no point were their estimated figures advertised as Battle Powers coexisting with the original story (never mind that the trio originated from alternate continuities to begin with). It seems as if you're attempting to discredit V-Jump by any means necessary, going as far to forgo what the consumed information really meant.
SSJ Goten before or after the time chamber training? I think he'd lose before but win after.
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Super Saiyan Goten made Boo arc SS Gohan struggle, sweat, and put serious effort blocking his blows in a sparring match, with the Daizenshuu 2 stating that Goten possess power not the least bit inferior to Gohan. (Although the entry is quite vague and it could either refer to Goten before or after the Room of Spirit and Time training.)
In addition, a heavily suppressed blast from SS Trunks — who is only slightly stronger than Goten — made #18 fear for her life and end the match quickly, and #18 is just slightly weaker than #17. So for all that reason, Goten beats #17 with a poke.
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Goten wins both before and after. I don't know why some people think Goten or Trunks would lose before the chamber. It's clearly said in the manga that Android 18 was scared of a very suppressed attack from SSJ Trunks.
Super Saiyan Goten made Boo arc SS Gohan struggle, sweat, and put serious effort blocking his blows in a sparring match, with the Daizenshuu 2 stating that Goten possess power not the least bit inferior to Gohan. (Although the entry is quite vague and it could either refer to Goten before or after the Room of Spirit and Time training.)
In addition, a heavily suppressed blast from SS Trunks — who is only slightly stronger than Goten — made #18 fear for her life and end the match quickly, and #18 is just slightly stronger than #17. So for all that reason, Goten beats #17 with a poke.
Is 18 really just slightly stronger, 17 seemed much more confident in his power being bigger
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Super Saiyan Goten made Boo arc SS Gohan struggle, sweat, and put serious effort blocking his blows in a sparring match, with the Daizenshuu 2 stating that Goten possess power not the least bit inferior to Gohan. (Although the entry is quite vague and it could either refer to Goten before or after the Room of Spirit and Time training.)
In addition, a heavily suppressed blast from SS Trunks — who is only slightly stronger than Goten — made #18 fear for her life and end the match quickly, and #18 is just slightly stronger than #17. So for all that reason, Goten beats #17 with a poke.
Is 18 really just slightly stronger, 17 seemed much more confident in his power being bigger
According to Toriyama 17 has greater capacity, but Gero restricted his power so 18's actually the stronger one.
Khin wrote:
Super Saiyan Goten made Boo arc SS Gohan struggle, sweat, and put serious effort blocking his blows in a sparring match, with the Daizenshuu 2 stating that Goten possess power not the least bit inferior to Gohan. (Although the entry is quite vague and it could either refer to Goten before or after the Room of Spirit and Time training.)
In addition, a heavily suppressed blast from SS Trunks — who is only slightly stronger than Goten — made #18 fear for her life and end the match quickly, and #18 is just slightly stronger than #17. So for all that reason, Goten beats #17 with a poke.
Is 18 really just slightly stronger, 17 seemed much more confident in his power being bigger
According to Toriyama 17 has greater capacity, but Gero restricted his power so 18's actually the stronger one.
I am not too sure about this one mate..
Can you provide a source
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Yeah, that’s clearly fake. I’ve read a ton of Toriyama interviews here in Kanzenshuu — particularly those with interesting information — and never once I have read one where he compared #17’s power to #18. I think it’s best not to trust anything the DB Wiki says that have no reliable source to where it come from.
