Universal Survival Arc NEEDS to be Super's last arc

[Mazingerdestro]

Super hasn't overstayed anything. On the contrary, super has a lot of potential that can be utilised. Unlike gt, which lacked in actual story, super's premise is exciting. They extended the universe and now fans are crazy about exploring new planets and seen different people.
Going all out with the universal arc so fast means that they have many more plans for the future. Yes it sounds weird but this arc could be basically the introduction to a universal trip or a "grand tour". Goku will talk to the gods, some will like him, others will hate him but everyone will be interested in his power and mentality. Heck what most people don't get is that NOBODY stated that this tournament needs to happen once. Probably, the clown God (Loki) will call universes 6 and 7 cheaters for having their own tournament prior to this one and training in advance. This may lead to the whole thing been cancelled and re-planned for the future.
Super can literally do anything now.

YmThe first comment implies fatigue. If you don't like the series drop it and return in a year. You will enjoy it more

It's not that I don't like Super. I just feel like it'd be nice for Super to end on a good note (Universal Survival Arc, hopefully) and usher in a new series that can start off without retellings and can be its own thing, if you know what I mean. But 100% of the replies I'm getting don't agree with me, which is fine by me - Everyone has the right to their own opinion. However, I'm not changing my tune. (In my opinion) DB NEEDS to tell the story of Uub being Goku's disciple. It was set up so nicely. Uub is an underrated character because his story hasn't truly been told. All we have is GT to go by.

However, perhaps Super will one day tell Uub's story. So yeah, I guess this discussion has reached its end.

So basically you want Goku to be a side character and uub lead. Uub. A character that was never explained or expanded. Why? To have a cliché shonen hero?
In series like Boruto it makes sense since even in Boruto the series still only focuses on naruto and sasuke but here it makes no sense having "dragon Ball Super shippuden".

[Saturnine]

I would really like there to be some more story after EoZ. Goku and Vegeta would be way too powerful for any story to be suspenseful at that point, but something could be figured out by neutralizing them.

Also, in the original manga, Bulma mentions that she hasn't seen Goku for years, so there needs to be a timeskip, there is no way around it.

[Ki Breaker]

So basically you want Goku to be a side character and uub lead. Uub. A character that was never explained or expanded. Why? To have a cliché shonen hero?
In series like Boruto it makes sense since even in Boruto the series still only focuses on naruto and sasuke but here it makes no sense having "dragon Ball Super shippuden".

It doesn't even make sense in Boruto, even the biggest Naruto fans in my circle are not happy about this development..

This type if move with such an eyesore character like Boruto is a grave error..

Dragonball should never go down this path

[Vegito Black]

And ignore other potential storylines such as Vegeta's visit to Planet Sadla and the dragon god Zalama?

Zalama can appear in the tournament and universe 6 is going to be blown up. New series can still have certain and Goku but as back ground characters like everyone else is right now.

[The gr]

Dragon Ball should never go to the new generation path it was executed terribly in the cell game saga and the Buu saga/eoz and i just simply hate the idea that pan and bra fighting

I don't want this arc to be the final one that would be terrible because the first 27 episode are wasted in pointless movie remake and no goku vs beerus rematch and goku black and Zamasu are the only legit villain no just no

people should stop obsessing the fact this is going to be final arc I'll leave it to geekdom101 to explain this ridiculous misconception https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-O89IdJs5gA

[SaiyanZ]

I hope so too. Though I think Toyotaro's manga will be decent.

[emperior]

It's difficult to think of what can happen after this tournament. It can open up possibilities for other countless stories, but it can even be the ending of Super and the last story by Toriyama.
Last time Toriyama talked about Super, he had no plans to make Goku and Vegeta surpass Beerus, let alone Whis. I think he knows very well it would be lame if by the end of DBS the two main characters aren't the strongest around.
I can't see how Goku and Vegeta can possibly become the strongest this arc, unless all Gods die for whatever reason (it would be lame and highly unprobable)
So, right now I'm more inclined to think that after this arc there will be other arcs. Even though Toriyama might have changed idea after Toei made him mad, and actually wrote this new arc with the sole purpose of ending this serie for good.

[mecha3000]

people should stop obsessing the fact this is going to be final arc I'll leave it to geekdom101 to explain this ridiculous misconception https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-O89IdJs5gA

To be fair, Geekdom said Super WILL NOT end with the Universal Survival Arc. It's also not confirmed to end. But that doesn't retract my thoughts that Super should end with this arc. Geekdom brought up that people thought the Buu Arc would be the end, but we got more. Think about that for a second. Just think about it. THE BUU SAGA ENDED DRAGON BALL Z. BUT DRAGON BALL SUPER CONTINUED WITH NEW STORIES. Same can happen in a new series set AFTER Super. Also, I NEVER SAID SUPER WOULD END WITH THIS ARC. (But thanks - I've been meaning to find this video myself)

So basically you want Goku to be a side character and uub lead. Uub. A character that was never explained or expanded. Why? To have a cliché shonen hero?
In series like Boruto it makes sense since even in Boruto the series still only focuses on naruto and sasuke but here it makes no sense having "dragon Ball Super shippuden".

Uh, no - Goku wouldn't be a side character. Also, you brought up the fact that Uub was never explained or expanded on. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF WHAT I'M SAYING, DUDE!!! Uub would just be a main character similar to Gohan in the Saiyan/Frieza/Cell Arcs. Goku would still be a focus, but he wouldn't be the main focus. Even in Dragon Ball Z, all four arcs shifted focus to characters OTHER than Goku at times (characters like Gohan and Vegeta). Goku was always out of commission or absent, which put the spotlight on other characters to try and finish the job (like Gohan, Vegeta, Krillin, Gotenks, etc.) So, I don't know why it's so hard to imagine a series with Goku in a mentoring role to Uub, who could be a new main character. Budokai 3 even teased this story with Goku teaching Uub lessons after the end of DBZ. The idea of Goku taking a Roshi role always appealed to me because it's a nice change of development for his character, but also still fits in line with his selfish goals of teaching Uub so he can fight him one day. I still want to see Goku and Uub's bond/story be told.

[Basaku]

Dragon Ball should never go to the new generation path it was executed terribly in the cell game saga

You mean the saga #2 responsible for the global phenomen that DB is?

and the Buu saga/eoz

Buu saga & EOZ is more Goku wanking, no new generation takes over anything in those

[The gr]

Dragon Ball should never go to the new generation path it was executed terribly in the cell game saga

You mean the saga #2 responsible for the global phenomen that DB is?

and the Buu saga/eoz

Buu saga & EOZ is more Goku wanking, no new generation takes over anything in those

nope toriyama tried to use the new generation for the Buu saga with Gohan being the main character but the problem toriyama did not saw the main character material of him so he throws that to the window the same could be applied with Goten and trunks and just because the cell saga is popular that doesn't mean is flawless Gohan was poorly built to be the main character

[Basaku]

nope toriyama tried to use the new generation for the Buu saga with Gohan being the main character but the problem toriyama did not saw the main character material of him so he throws that to the window the same could be applied with Goten and trunks and just because the cell saga is popular that doesn't mean is flawless Gohan was poorly built to be the main character

No he didn't, he dropped the idea before the saga got to first major fight. And just because he thought he couldn't do it right doesn't mean it's impossible and he actually did Cell saga very well, fan response to it and Gohan's being a reflection.

Point being - since he dropped the idea of new generation taking over we've been stuck with utterly stale and dated Goku. He's the least interesting part of the cast at this point and Vegeta is quickly getting to that point too because Toriyama focuses too much on them for the sake of it, without actually giving them new developement

[precita]

Super shouldn't end till it goes past EOZ.

I want to see Pan, Uub and teen/adult Trunks and Goten.

[Ki Breaker]

Super shouldn't end till it goes past EOZ.

I want to see Pan, Uub and teen/adult Trunks and Goten.

I have a feeling thats as far as super goes..
Otherwise why bother doing the tournament too between the time gap..
They could have included uub and adult goten and trunks too if it went past eoz

[ChronoTwigger]

It need to be the last, but go over the sole tournament, have all hakaishin fight each others, mega battle, goodbye.

Then a looong pause, proper pre-production, and 3 possible options:
1 A dragon sphere chase with Zarama
2 Goku became a Kaioh and Vegeta an Hakaishin, then whatever.
3 A TOTAL retcon, with total new characters in an universe similar to DB. Spheres, martial arts, transforms, orange dressin but no continuity. No Pan, no Uub: they don't have enough charisma to role a show.

All other options will be... bad. For us. Really.

[Low Tone G]

I don't understand this obsession with the "next generation". If Goku was phased out as the main character I'd just stop watching, the so called next generation is totally uninteresting. Only Goten and Trunks were somewhat redeemable back in the Buu Arc, but their current incarnations totally suck.

Let's be honest, the next generation has never been the same level as older ones.. The "legends" row was closed with Piccolo Jr. That's it... Gohan, Present Trunks and Goten are not worth calling the next generation, only biologically.

The worst news is that even old giants like Goku(espcially) suck terribly in Super... It's not the Toriyama Goku vs Toei Goku issue any more, but a fundamental lack of creativity... And no wonder, a show like DB was already complete rather obviously by the Frieza saga and moreover, I would be perfectly satisfied with the Piccolo Jr. saga to be the last one.

I love Dragon Ball, but I want it, if I watch it... I'm not saying I could make it any better, perhaps no one could any more, but... This is not it.

As for the next arc to be the last one...If I were Toriyama(and Toei), I would have left the whole multiple universes and Gods of destruction concept, because it kills the show from further advance, in my opinion... The best step were, when they created the Battle of Gods movie, to set it after the EoZ. This way, the introduction of Uub is utterly redundant. The best they can do to end the show with this arc or quicly skip to after EoZ. I can not see any other alternative to save the show, because other adventures in the 10 years of peace is a suicide for the whole franchise.

[Kepiaschkz]

The biggest difficulty is "what the hell to do after a multiversal tournament where the mere existence of 11 universes over 12 is at stakes" ? "How do you go from there" ? Any other stories would have much less tension in comparison.

But there is still a possibility...

I'm 90% confident that when Goku will ask Zen'ô to restore the universes annihilated during the tournament, the omniking, in a good mood, will restore as well the 6 universes he destroyed ages ago.

With 6 additionnal universes, villains with power levels superior to the grand priest, or even Zen'ô, become a possibility. And then, the door is open for the stakes to be higher than in the Survival Arc.

[namekiansaiyan]

We could have an arc about the 6 destroyed universes. They could have a story that they are bit actually destroyed but sealed away and they blame the other 12 universes and they are looking for revenge.

[The_Destroyer]

And ignore other potential storylines such as Vegeta's visit to Planet Sadla and the dragon god Zalama?

Zalama can appear in the tournament and universe 6 is going to be blown up. New series can still have certain and Goku but as back ground characters like everyone else is right now.

And what would Zalama do? Just specatate? Wouldn't it be better if Zalama had his own storyline? No need to waste him.


And come on, the universes will obviously be restored at some point. Uni 6 will not be gone.

[Lord Beerus]

I don't see any reason why the show should end just because Super has reached the point the plot where are all of universes are taking part in a story. Even not taking into consideration the other universes, the Dragon Ball universe itself is still really fucking big and has plenty of avenues to be explored for future potential stories.

[precita]

I think Super might continue until Goku's VA gets too sick or old to voice the character. She's 80 now, so she might have another 5 good years into her. After that they should let her retire even if she lives into her 90's or beyond.