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[Jinzoningen MULE]

Actually why are the first fifteen episodes of GT considered to be so infamously bad? I just need to know what's the beef with those 15 episodes before I step into the grand tour.

The first half is a less interesting retread of the first DB Arc, the second half is an Alice in Wonderland-esque rabbit-chase, that part is slightly more interesting.

[Robo4900]

Actually why are the first fifteen episodes of GT considered to be so infamously bad? I just need to know what's the beef with those 15 episodes before I step into the grand tour.

Jinzoningen MULE's summary is basically accurate. As long as you're willing to keep the fact it's supposed to be an OG Dragon Ball throwback in mind, and just enjoy it for what it is, it's a fun time, with a few not so great episodes. The first planet they get to in space is actually pretty cool, particularly with the fight at the end. And as long as you're willing to just enjoy it, that 15th episode is a really cool way to cap off the initial OG Dragon Ball throwback theme GT went for initially.
Having said that, GT actually gets a lot better starting from #16, so the first 15 do fall a little flat by comparison.

As an additional note, the Japanese music is a must for GT. Tokunaga's music was incredible, and the music combined with the animation are the two main reasons I'm willing to forgive GT's flaws. Meanwhile, the Funimation replacement score is really dull, and takes a lot of the sentimental, fun edge off of the series, which kind of ruins it, and I think is one of the main reasons so many fans hate GT.

[Anime Kitten]

You.could, y'know, read it.

I'm still in the middle of the Universe 6 arc. And even if I were caught up, Viz hasn't posted the most recent chapter yet. They're still a couple behind.

[AlexJunin]

The brazilian VA of Goku, Wendel Bezerra, uploaded a video in your YouTube channel dubbing Black, he made 6 versions of the voice (notice that the voice 5 was a joke because he dubs Spongebob in Brazil), which voice do you guys like most?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ5cxbcL9Ao

[The gr]

You.could, y'know, read it.

I'm still in the middle of the Universe 6 arc. And even if I were caught up, Viz hasn't posted the most recent chapter yet. They're still a couple behind.

So what are thoughts on the DB super manga

Actually why are the first fifteen episodes of GT considered to be so infamously bad? I just need to know what's the beef with those 15 episodes before I step into the grand tour.

The first half is a less interesting retread of the first DB Arc, the second half is an Alice in Wonderland-esque rabbit-chase, that part is slightly more interesting.

Is just a watered down and dull version of the hunt of the dragon balls just watch blackenfist review of DB GT he made some legit points on why the first arc is terrible

[Gog]

You.could, y'know, read it.

I'm still in the middle of the Universe 6 arc. And even if I were caught up, Viz hasn't posted the most recent chapter yet. They're still a couple behind.

So what are thoughts on the DB super manga

Actually why are the first fifteen episodes of GT considered to be so infamously bad? I just need to know what's the beef with those 15 episodes before I step into the grand tour.

The first half is a less interesting retread of the first DB Arc, the second half is an Alice in Wonderland-esque rabbit-chase, that part is slightly more interesting.

Is just a watered down and dull version of the hunt of the dragon balls just watch blackenfist review of DB GT he made some legit points on why the first arc is terrible

I need to make my own opinion of it, so no.

[Cetra]

I need to make my own opinion of it, so no.

There is no problem. They just do not like how the main cast behaves. Oh god, they dance, they sneak, they fight worms for more than 2 seconds, call the police to arrest bad GT.

Just watch it.

[Yedis]

Didn't know that Bandai has a small ownership stake in Toei (2%).

[The gr]

I need to make my own opinion of it, so no.

There is no problem. They just do not like how the main cast behaves. Oh god, they dance, they sneak, they fight worms for more than 2 seconds, call the police to arrest bad GT.

Just watch it.

Gog I recommend you watch GT in Jap because the eng dub is awful in many ways

[Gog]

I need to make my own opinion of it, so no.

There is no problem. They just do not like how the main cast behaves. Oh god, they dance, they sneak, they fight worms for more than 2 seconds, call the police to arrest bad GT.

Just watch it.

Gog I recommend you watch GT in Jap because the eng dub is awful in many ways

I'll take that in mind, I just can't put myself to listen to any falconer related scores.

[The gr]

There is no problem. They just do not like how the main cast behaves. Oh god, they dance, they sneak, they fight worms for more than 2 seconds, call the police to arrest bad GT.

Just watch it.

Gog I recommend you watch GT in Jap because the eng dub is awful in many ways

I'll take that in mind, I just can't put myself to listen to any falconer related scores.

But falcouner did not compose GT I'm pretty sure it was mark menza that compose USA OST in GT through both composer are mediocre

[Gog]

Gog I recommend you watch GT in Jap because the eng dub is awful in many ways

I'll take that in mind, I just can't put myself to listen to any falconer related scores.

But falcouner did not compose GT I'm pretty sure it was mark menza that compose USA OST in GT through both composer are mediocre

He did? Thought it was Falcouner, honestly is Menza even worse, does he keep the classic Falcouner. Playing the music all the time, even when it'll destroys the scene?

[The gr]

I'll take that in mind, I just can't put myself to listen to any falconer related scores.

But falcouner did not compose GT I'm pretty sure it was mark menza that compose USA OST in GT through both composer are mediocre

He did? Thought it was Falcouner, honestly is Menza even worse, does he keep the classic Falcouner. Playing the music all the time, even when it'll destroys the scene?

I don't have that much memories of it the last time I watch GT it was in 2008 through the soundtrack is dry and emotionless

[Anime Kitten]

So what are thoughts on the DB super manga

So far, I like it. But that's as far as it goes.

It does feel extremely rushed during non-fight scenes (and even during some fights), especially during the Beerus arc, but the art makes up for it. My only gripe there is how Base Gokū kinda always looks the same to me. More specifically, his facial expressions don't have much variation (aside from the intentionally exaggerated ones).

As for the character handling, it could use some work. Gokū is too obnoxious and fighting centered. His relationship with Vegeta is too generic a rivalry. The others seem fine, but there isn't enough involvement to make a proper judgment.

To summarize:
Plot: 4/10
Characters: 7/10
Art: 9/10
Choreography: 9.8/10
Overall: 7.5/10

[The gr]

So what are thoughts on the DB super manga

So far, I like it. But that's as far as it goes.

It does feel extremely rushed during non-fight scenes (and even during some fights), especially during the Beerus arc, but the art makes up for it. My only gripe there is how Base Gokū kinda always looks the same to me. More specifically, his facial expressions don't have much variation (aside from the intentionally exaggerated ones).

As for the character handling, it could use some work. Gokū is too obnoxious and fighting centered. His relationship with Vegeta is too generic a rivalry. The others seem fine, but there isn't enough involvement to make a proper judgment.

To summarize:
Plot: 4/10
Characters: 7/10
Art: 9/10
Choreography: 9.8/10
Overall: 7.5/10

So you only read the first 13 chapter because the Champa arc in both the anime and manga are really weak in term of story but regardless is still entertaining

[Anime Kitten]

So you only read the first 13 chapter because the Champa arc in both the anime and manga are really weak in term of story but regardless is still entertaining

I'm pretty sure I left off during the Gokū vs Frost fight, so I'm not quite done with that arc. Maybe sometime I'll do a full review of each arc or something.

Maybe.

[TheUltimateNinja]

So you only read the first 13 chapter because the Champa arc in both the anime and manga are really weak in term of story but regardless is still entertaining

I'm pretty sure I left off during the Gokū vs Frost fight, so I'm not quite done with that arc. Maybe sometime I'll do a full review of each arc or something.

Maybe.

How much do you care about powerscaling making sense? That will heavily affect how much you enjoy the Hit fight.

[Anime Kitten]

How much do you care about powerscaling making sense? That will heavily affect how much you enjoy the Hit fight.

I do prefer consistent powerscaling, but I wouldn't get in a fit about it not making sense unless it's really bad and is completely unjustifiable. I've already heard about Hit being a relative weakling in the manga, so I'll know what to expect. But I prefer the anime anyway, so that's what I consider "canon" (but that's a whole other topic, so let's not get too deep into that).

[TheUltimateNinja]

How much do you care about powerscaling making sense? That will heavily affect how much you enjoy the Hit fight.

I do prefer consistent powerscaling, but I wouldn't get in a fit about it not making sense unless it's really bad and is completely unjustifiable. I've already heard about Hit being a relative weakling in the manga, so I'll know what to expect. But I prefer the anime anyway, so that's what I consider "canon" (but that's a whole other topic, so let's not get too deep into that).

Compared to the rest that's wrong with that fight, Hit being weak is the least of its problems. Anyway, I'll list 3 facts about the fight and let you deduce the issue:
1) Hit's timeskip only works on people near or below his level.

2) Hit's timeskip works perfectly on 10% SSBlue Vegeta and he gets completely thrashed.

3) SSJ Goku is stated to be stronger than Hit.

[Robo4900]

But falcouner did not compose GT I'm pretty sure it was mark menza that compose USA OST in GT through both composer are mediocre

He did? Thought it was Falcouner, honestly is Menza even worse, does he keep the classic Falcouner. Playing the music all the time, even when it'll destroys the scene?

I don't have that much memories of it the last time I watch GT it was in 2008 through the soundtrack is dry and emotionless

It was Menza. Faulconer only composed the score for DBZ 68-291(Kind of. Technically, he also composed a score for the second half of #67, since Saban's #53 ended about half-way through uncut #67, so Funimation's original #54 was about 30 minutes long, and included the second half of #67. But, for all uncut releases that include the US score, they use Nathan Johnson's music for all of #67, so you'll only hear Faulconer's version of #67's second half if you get the original Funi singles, and watch #54 with the English track). Him and Funimation had a falling out, and will (Probably) never work together again, and they replaced him with Mark Menza for GT and most of the movies anyway. Menza's music was generic metal and cheesy rap, which took away all the soul of GT and the movies, so he was kicked off and replaced with Nathan Johnson for the DBZ 1-67 redub, then he was kicked off and never replaced because Funimation stopped doing replacement scores starting with Dragon Ball in about 2005 or so.