Universal Survival Arc NEEDS to be Super's last arc

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Re: Universal Survival Arc NEEDS to be Super's last arc

Post by Vegito Black » Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:07 pm

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The_Destroyer wrote:And ignore other potential storylines such as Vegeta's visit to Planet Sadla and the dragon god Zalama?
Zalama can appear in the tournament and universe 6 is going to be blown up. New series can still have certain and Goku but as back ground characters like everyone else is right now.
And what would Zalama do? Just specatate? Wouldn't it be better if Zalama had his own storyline? No need to waste him.


And come on, the universes will obviously be restored at some point. Uni 6 will not be gone.
Yeah and the Tru ks arc had a happy go lucky ending about him becoming a time partoller and without mas genocide of 12 universes by a child God.

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Re: Universal Survival Arc NEEDS to be Super's last arc

Post by The_Destroyer » Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:27 pm

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Vegito Black wrote: Zalama can appear in the tournament and universe 6 is going to be blown up. New series can still have certain and Goku but as back ground characters like everyone else is right now.
And what would Zalama do? Just specatate? Wouldn't it be better if Zalama had his own storyline? No need to waste him.


And come on, the universes will obviously be restored at some point. Uni 6 will not be gone.
Yeah and the Tru ks arc had a happy go lucky ending about him becoming a time partoller and without mas genocide of 12 universes by a child God.
It's the only time they've really done it. What makes you think they'll do it again? Yeah, I also think universes, including 7, will be destroyed,but they'll come back.

Do you seriously think they'll just throw away characters like Cabba? Especially since he has more story potential.

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Re: Universal Survival Arc NEEDS to be Super's last arc

Post by precita » Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:59 pm

It's not over until the fat lady sings. Super will probably have at least 150-200 episodes.

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Re: Universal Survival Arc NEEDS to be Super's last arc

Post by toadma » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:09 am

What more could be brought now that all of the gods of destruction and Supreme Kais will be appearing.

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Re: Universal Survival Arc NEEDS to be Super's last arc

Post by Low Tone G » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:24 am

Kepiaschkz wrote:The biggest difficulty is "what the hell to do after a multiversal tournament where the mere existence of 11 universes over 12 is at stakes" ? "How do you go from there" ? Any other stories would have much less tension in comparison.

But there is still a possibility...

I'm 90% confident that when Goku will ask Zen'ô to restore the universes annihilated during the tournament, the omniking, in a good mood, will restore as well the 6 universes he destroyed ages ago.

With 6 additionnal universes, villains with power levels superior to the grand priest, or even Zen'ô, become a possibility. And then, the door is open for the stakes to be higher than in the Survival Arc.
My biggest concern is that Uub is already mentioned, so the EoZ is practically on the table... Back When we were waiting for the Battle of Gods movie my biggest disappointment was the story isn't set after the meeting with Uub.. The period after Majin Buu saga was stated to be peaceful and now it became full of events like fighting a God of destruction, meeting Freeza again who managed to erase Earth, Goku being killed by a God in the name of (fake) justice, Trunks' timeline became unexistent, and finally a tournament where the whole Present World is at stake, Even our beloved Uni7... I refuse to call all these peace in any case... I don't comprehend why must we be stuck in this 10 years period when Toriyama already said the saiyans are in their prime untill their 80's... In EoZ Vegeta is around 52... So?
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I'm still waiting for Dragon Ball in Super...

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Re: Universal Survival Arc NEEDS to be Super's last arc

Post by precita » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:43 am

toadma wrote:What more could be brought now that all of the gods of destruction and Supreme Kais will be appearing.
Because the majority of these Gods are not going to do anything but be spectators for the tournament. They're not doing any fighting. Most of them will just be background characters and I'm willing to bet some will never even speak.

This is essentially our introduction to them. They can make tons of stories with these characters after the tournament.

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Re: Universal Survival Arc NEEDS to be Super's last arc

Post by HeroR » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:04 am

precita wrote:I think Super might continue until Goku's VA gets too sick or old to voice the character. She's 80 now, so she might have another 5 good years into her. After that they should let her retire even if she lives into her 90's or beyond.
She says she is Son Goku until she dies. She aren't retiring from the role until she's in the grave.
toadma wrote:What more could be brought now that all of the gods of destruction and Supreme Kais will be appearing.
The same thing was said when Goku beat Freeza, the strongest being in the universe. Or Cell who was made up of cells of the greatest fighters in the universe.
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precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

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Re: Universal Survival Arc NEEDS to be Super's last arc

Post by Vegito Black » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:03 am

The_Destroyer wrote:
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And what would Zalama do? Just specatate? Wouldn't it be better if Zalama had his own storyline? No need to waste him.


And come on, the universes will obviously be restored at some point. Uni 6 will not be gone.
Yeah and the Tru ks arc had a happy go lucky ending about him becoming a time partoller and without mas genocide of 12 universes by a child God.
It's the only time they've really done it. What makes you think they'll do it again? Yeah, I also think universes, including 7, will be destroyed,but they'll come back.

Do you seriously think they'll just throw away characters like Cabba? Especially since he has more story potential.
If they intend to continue from this point forward a few universes should survive. Should they really mean to end it then yes they would kill off 11 universes it wouldn't surprise me if toriyama had originally came up with an idea for a story from every universe and after doing the zamasu arc decided it was too much for him and he had to cut down on the universes.

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Re: Universal Survival Arc NEEDS to be Super's last arc

Post by toadma » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:22 pm

precita wrote:
toadma wrote:What more could be brought now that all of the gods of destruction and Supreme Kais will be appearing.
Because the majority of these Gods are not going to do anything but be spectators for the tournament. They're not doing any fighting. Most of them will just be background characters and I'm willing to bet some will never even speak.

This is essentially our introduction to them. They can make tons of stories with these characters after the tournament.
And you think Toriyama will even bother to do something with all of them I doubt it its to much.
Theres a limit of how far you can go stretching the story.The only thing left is the world building at least exploring one of the universes so far you can stretch it.

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Re: Universal Survival Arc NEEDS to be Super's last arc

Post by Xiao Long Li » Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:19 pm

Basaku wrote:
The gr wrote:nope toriyama tried to use the new generation for the Buu saga with Gohan being the main character but the problem toriyama did not saw the main character material of him so he throws that to the window the same could be applied with Goten and trunks and just because the cell saga is popular that doesn't mean is flawless Gohan was poorly built to be the main character
No he didn't, he dropped the idea before the saga got to first major fight.
Didn't seem that way to me. Prior to being absorbed by Super Boo, Gohan was treated the same way Gokuu was in the Piccolo Daimao/Saiyan/Freeza/Cell arcs (put out of commission early on and ends up training/recuperating in the background, being hyped to be the one to take out the main villain, while having other characters take a shot at the villain before his big damned heroes moment). There's no confirmation on when Toriyama made the decision anyway, but to me, it felt like Toriyama was either trolling or made the decision very last minute. It's easy to make the argument that Gokuu was only in the main character role for the last 1/4 of the Boo arc.

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