The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Gog]

Super Perfect Cell Freeza potara fusion (Ceeza?) V SSJ Vegetto

[DanielSSJ]

Super Perfect Cell Freeza potara fusion (Ceeza?) V SSJ Vegetto

Given the rather large disparity in their power, Cell and Freeza probably wouldn't make an especially good combo for fusion. I could see Cellza beating out Fat Boo or even Pure Boo and SS3 Goku, but Vegetto's strength is just way too ridiculous for them to catch up.

[Gog]

Super Perfect Cell Freeza potara fusion (Ceeza?) V SSJ Vegetto

Given the rather large disparity in their power, Cell and Freeza probably wouldn't make an especially good combo for fusion. I could see Cellza beating out Fat Boo or even Pure Boo and SS3 Goku, but Vegetto's strength is just way too ridiculous for them to catch up.

Goddamn it, I'll add another thing to Ceeza, Freeza has trained before hand, and reached Cell's strength.

[DanielSSJ]

Goddamn it, I'll add another thing to Ceeza, Freeza has trained before hand, and reached Cell's strength.

Cellza's a lot stronger now, but since his components are from different species (Cell only being about 2/5 Freeza's race) they're still not a perfect pairing. I'd say he's about as strong as Evil Boo or maybe even Ultimate Gohan, but Vegetto still outpaces him by a lot.

[Gog]

Goddamn it, I'll add another thing to Ceeza, Freeza has trained before hand, and reached Cell's strength.

Cellza's a lot stronger now, but since his components are from different species (Cell only being about 2/5 Freeza's race) they're still not a perfect pairing. I'd say he's about as strong as Evil Boo or maybe even Ultimate Gohan, but Vegetto still outpaces him by a lot.

No love for Ceeza

[DanielSSJ]

No love for Ceeza

To be fair, Vegetto is far and away the strongest character in the original manga. You'd be hard-pressed to beat him without resorting to the godly powered characters from Super.

[Gog]

No love for Ceeza

To be fair, Vegetto is far and away the strongest character in the original manga. You'd be hard-pressed to beat him without resorting to the godly powered characters from Super.

Okay, sine Vegetto is pretty powerful, lets try another fusion.

Ceeza V Gogeta.

Can the Ceeza finally pull a win?

[TheUltimateNinja]

Okay, sine Vegetto is pretty powerful, lets try another fusion.

Ceeza V Gogeta.

Can the Ceeza finally pull a win?

Yes, if Gogeta is restricted to SSJ. SSJ2 and SSJ3 Gogeta would wreck Ceeza, though.

[Gog]

Okay, sine Vegetto is pretty powerful, lets try another fusion.

Ceeza V Gogeta.

Can the Ceeza finally pull a win?

Yes, if Gogeta is restricted to SSJ. SSJ2 and SSJ3 Gogeta would wreck Ceeza, though.

Yeah, anything above SSJ and Ceeza uses Instant transmission to leg it

[dragon boss z]

Once more (are you the same person?), you're confusing Weekly Shounen Jump with V-Jump. Dore & Sauzer's Battle Powers are from the former source (No. 25, 1991 issue). Kuririn's Battle Power was provided by V-Jump's first issue (12 December 1990), the source that tends to have its information reprinted in databooks & was minding the original manga's story. Attacking a typo that was comprehensible through its own context is rather disingenuous, wouldn't you say?

Coola's "estimated" Battle Power applied to a video game (Dragon Ball Z 3). It wasn't manga-specific information like with the Namek arc era guide thus it would serve one well to consider the appropriate background of what's being read. I think it suffices to say that gameplay isn't meant to contain main series-specific figures. On that note, it was Coola, Broli, & Gogeta's 3D debut. They were being hyped for the product they were going to be featured in. At no point were their estimated figures advertised as Battle Powers coexisting with the original story (never mind that the trio originated from alternate continuities to begin with). It seems as if you're attempting to discredit V-Jump by any means necessary, going as far to forgo what the consumed information really meant.

You are right about the Dore and Salza power levels, but Cooler's was from V-jump. I got confused because I just assumed his henchman's power levels came from the same source.
Either way Kanzenshuu's power level guide orders their sources from most official to least official and they ranked V-jump under shonen jump, and shonen jump clearly has false power levels. The Daizenshuu is the most official source and the only source that doesn't have power levels that don't make sense.

from Kanzenshuu's battle power guide page.

Battle powers on this page are listed roughly in order of the official status of their source — this means that the Daizenshuu are listed at the top, and after them are the Super Exciting Guides, etc. Magazine releases are placed below these.

As noted in my message, Coola's Battle Power was "estimated" for the Dragon Ball Z 3 video game, not the original story. The introductory V-Jump issue for Namek arc Battle Powers directly correlated to recent events in the original story. The context is apparent, which is part of my request for one to consider the background of what's being read. With that said, your insistence on Dore & Sauzer's readings being "clearly false" doesn't seem "clear", from my observation. There's nothing inherently "false" or "inaccurate" with the readings (which applied to Dragon Ball Z Movie 05) & your stance seems based on attacking established information to further your own preferences.

Umm have you watched movie 5 recently? Salza was obviously above Dore. Dore was one shotted by Piccolo, Salza put up a fight and he was their leader.

And their are other obviously wrong shonen jump numbers such as Popo and King Piccolo being above Kami even though Popo confirmed Kami was above him and Kami flicked away kid Goku (the same one who beat King Piccolo) like nothing.
Also they gave Chi-Chi a power level of 130 and mecha Tao a power levle of 210. Both of those numbers are way too high.

And yes V-jumps numbers were for a video game, but the video game was based off the show and there would be no reason to try and change the numbers.

But nothing is worse than the movie pamphlet power levels.
It puts Colonel silver at 200, lol.

[DanielSSJ]

Okay, since Vegetto is pretty powerful, lets try another fusion.

Ceeza V Gogeta.

Can the Ceeza finally pull a win?

In my opinion, Goku and Vegeta make for a unusually potent fusion pairing, regardless of the method. Super Gogeta is probably several times weaker than Super Vegetto, at around the same level as Gohan Boo and/or Gotenks Boo. As I said above, Cellza, in my mind, is about as strong as Ultimate Gohan at best, so Gogeta crushes him like the bug that he sort of is .

Yeah, anything above SSJ and Ceeza uses Instant transmission to leg it

Gogeta is half Goku and therefor can teleport as well. Nowhere is safe.

[Gog]

Okay, since Vegetto is pretty powerful, lets try another fusion.

Ceeza V Gogeta.

Can the Ceeza finally pull a win?

In my opinion, Goku and Vegeta make for a unusually potent fusion pairing, regardless of the method. Super Gogeta is probably several times weaker than Super Vegetto, at around the same level as Gohan Boo and/or Gotenks Boo. As I said above, Cellza, in my mind, is about as strong as Ultimate Gohan at best, so Gogeta crushes him like the bug that he sort of is .

Yeah, anything above SSJ and Ceeza uses Instant transmission to leg it

Gogeta is half Goku and therefor can teleport as well. Nowhere is safe.

Fuck, Ceeza can use Coola's fifth form. Come on... Come on...

[DanielSSJ]

Fuck, Ceeza can use Coola's fifth form. Come on... Come on...

Wouldn't be enough. If he could go Golden however...

[Gog]

Fuck, Ceeza can use Coola's fifth form. Come on... Come on...

Wouldn't be enough. If he could go Golden however...

Why wouldn't it, it's a four times multiplier, he'd eat Gogeta! He'd get a win at last!

[DanielSSJ]

Why wouldn't it, it's a four times multiplier, he'd eat Gogeta! He'd get a win at last!

Four times? Who says? And if you're talking about that 470 million number from V-Jump, that was for a video game, so I don't count it.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Okay, since Vegetto is pretty powerful, lets try another fusion.

Ceeza V Gogeta.

Can the Ceeza finally pull a win?

In my opinion, Goku and Vegeta make for a unusually potent fusion pairing, regardless of the method. Super Gogeta is probably several times weaker than Super Vegetto, at around the same level as Gohan Boo and/or Gotenks Boo. As I said above, Cellza, in my mind, is about as strong as Ultimate Gohan at best, so Gogeta crushes him like the bug that he sort of is .

I don't know if the Metamoran fusion can produce such a huge multiplier, even being conservative basic powerscaling puts Buuhan/Buutenks at 50-60x SSJ Goku.
SSJ2 Goku: 2
Fat Buu: 3
SSJ Gotenks: 3
SSJ3 Goku: 8
SSJ3 Gotenks: 24
Super Buu: 24
Ultimate Gohan: 36
Buutenks: 48
Buuhan: 60

[Gog]

Why wouldn't it, it's a four times multiplier, he'd eat Gogeta! He'd get a win at last!

Four times? Who says? And if you're talking about that 470 million number from V-Jump, that was for a video game, so I don't count it.

P-Please give him the win here. Just please, let him have this one! Please

[DanielSSJ]

P-Please give him the win here. Just please, let him have this one! Please

He wins if he goes Gold. Not even SS3 Gogeta could stand against that.

[Gog]

P-Please give him the win here. Just please, let him have this one! Please

He wins if he goes Gold. Not even SS3 Gogeta could stand against that.

THEN CEEZA ASCENDS! HE WINS CEEZA ASCENDS!

[TheUltimateNinja]

P-Please give him the win here. Just please, let him have this one! Please

He wins if he goes Gold. Not even SS3 Gogeta could stand against that.

THEN CEEZA ASCENDS! HE WINS CEEZA ASCENDS!

If he goes gold fusion isn't even necessary, Frieza could do it himself.