The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Gog]

He wins if he goes Gold. Not even SS3 Gogeta could stand against that.

THEN CEEZA ASCENDS! HE WINS CEEZA ASCENDS!

If he goes gold fusion isn't even necessary, Frieza could do it himself.

Yes, but best kill is overkill, also Gogeta can go SS4

[dragon boss z]

Android 17 vs SS goten

Goten wins both before and after. I don't know why some people think Goten or Trunks would lose before the chamber. It's clearly said in the manga that Android 18 was scared of a very suppressed attack from SSJ Trunks.

18 was never said to be scared. She just said it was fast and powerful and she looked worried. That could mean anything. Goten just learned how to fly and use ki blasts. I find it hard to believe he is that far above the androids.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Android 17 vs SS goten

Goten wins both before and after. I don't know why some people think Goten or Trunks would lose before the chamber. It's clearly said in the manga that Android 18 was scared of a very suppressed attack from SSJ Trunks.

18 was never said to be scared. She just said it was fast and powerful and she looked worried. That could mean anything. Goten just learned how to fly and use ki blasts. I find it hard to believe he is that far above the androids.

He was already pretty close to Gohan in terms of power Pre-RoSAT, Post-RoSAT Goten is equal to Buu Arc Gohan since the Daizenshuu states his battle power is not the least bit inferior to Gohan's.

[RehBeh]

Boo SSGSS Goku Absorbed VS. Commeson-Copy Vegeta.

[Nejishiki]

Umm have you watched movie 5 recently? Salza was obviously above Dore. Dore was one shotted by Piccolo, Salza put up a fight and he was their leader.

And their are other obviously wrong shonen jump numbers such as Popo and King Piccolo being above Kami even though Popo confirmed Kami was above him and Kami flicked away kid Goku (the same one who beat King Piccolo) like nothing.
Also they gave Chi-Chi a power level of 130 and mecha Tao a power levle of 210. Both of those numbers are way too high.

And yes V-jumps numbers were for a video game, but the video game was based off the show and there would be no reason to try and change the numbers.

But nothing is worse than the movie pamphlet power levels.
It puts Colonel silver at 200, lol.

Yes, I'm aware of Dragon Ball Z Movie 05's story. With considerations that Piccolo could handle all three soldiers at once, a significant comparison between them & the Namekian isn't exactly favoring the former. Their hierarchy among each other is unrelated to Piccolo's world of skill, even if the potential for overcoming him was there. After all, Sauzer's survival is credited to Coola, a fortunate circumstance unrelated to his Battle Power (a figure that isn't be-all & end-all for results).

That particular reading for God occurred during the Saiyan arc. A fair case would exist if that reading applied to the Piccolo arc, where he is superior to Mr. Popo, Goku, & his evil half but that wasn't the case. The Battle Power for the enhanced Tao Pai Pai in comparison to Chi-Chi, a martial artist who isn't as familiar with ki as her contemporary is, doesn't particularly contradict the original story either. Lastly, Silver's reading was seemingly applied to a Carddass game and/or its own film continuity, along with the rest of his peers. "Too high" & "too low" seems entirely subjective for a concept which lacks "official rules". I didn't change numbers, I elaborated their appropriate backgrounds. Dragon Ball Z 3's readings are for its gameplay world, Dragon Ball Z Movie 05's readings exist for its world, promotional material for the original manga apply to its story, & so on.

[Ki Breaker]

Boo SSGSS Goku Absorbed VS. Commeson-Copy Vegeta.

Boo? Do you mean SSGSS Goku absorbed buu?
Well, SSGSS Goku can beat copy Vegeta by himself, he was confident enough..
When buu fuses with him their power and Regen is absolute win against copy Vegeta

[RehBeh]

Boo SSGSS Goku Absorbed VS. Commeson-Copy Vegeta.

Boo? Do you mean SSGSS Goku absorbed buu?
Well, SSGSS Goku can beat copy Vegeta by himself, he was confident enough..
When buu fuses with him their power and Regen is absolute win against copy Vegeta

I used Boo instead of Buu 'cause i like the Japanese names more. Also wasn't it stated that when the Commeson absorbs someone the copy gets stronger because it merges the power of the victims to each own, resulting in the legend of the Superhuman Water.

[Ki Breaker]

Boo SSGSS Goku Absorbed VS. Commeson-Copy Vegeta.

Boo? Do you mean SSGSS Goku absorbed buu?
Well, SSGSS Goku can beat copy Vegeta by himself, he was confident enough..
When buu fuses with him their power and Regen is absolute win against copy Vegeta

I used Boo instead of Buu 'cause i like the Japanese names more. Also wasn't it stated that when the Commeson absorbs someone the copy gets stronger because it merges the power of the victims to each own, resulting in the legend of the Superhuman Water.

It basically adds up its previous power, which was obviously insignificant infront of god levels, goku and him faught pretty evenly..

[Gog]

Mystic Goku (Buu saga) V SS4 Goku (Buu saga)

[DanielSSJ]

Mystic Goku (Buu saga) V SS4 Goku (Buu saga)

By my arbitrary numbers, going Super Saiyan 4 pushes Goku to be nearly as strong as Super Vegetto, so Gohan is boned.

[Gog]

Mystic Goku (Buu saga) V SS4 Goku (Buu saga)

By my arbitrary numbers, going Super Saiyan 4 pushes Goku to be nearly as strong as Super Vegetto, so Gohan is boned.

not gohan, Goku, Goku wih the kaioken....

[TheUltimateNinja]

Mystic Goku (Buu saga) V SS4 Goku (Buu saga)

By my arbitrary numbers, going Super Saiyan 4 pushes Goku to be nearly as strong as Super Vegetto, so Gohan is boned.

But GT Goku is as strong as Super Vegetto with SSJ4, Z Goku's got to be a good deal weaker.

[Gog]

Mystic Goku (Buu saga) V SS4 Goku (Buu saga)

By my arbitrary numbers, going Super Saiyan 4 pushes Goku to be nearly as strong as Super Vegetto, so Gohan is boned.

But GT Goku is as strong as Super Vegetto with SSJ4, Z Goku's got to be a good deal weaker.

Oh, you misrepresented me. I meant (Z) SS4 Goku V (Z) Mystic Goku

[TheUltimateNinja]

By my arbitrary numbers, going Super Saiyan 4 pushes Goku to be nearly as strong as Super Vegetto, so Gohan is boned.

But GT Goku is as strong as Super Vegetto with SSJ4, Z Goku's got to be a good deal weaker.

Oh, you misrepresented me. I meant (Z) SS4 Goku V (Z) Mystic Goku

The potential unlock unlocks ALL of one's potential and more, so it would make Goku even stronger than SSJ4 in base.

[Gog]

But GT Goku is as strong as Super Vegetto with SSJ4, Z Goku's got to be a good deal weaker.

Oh, you misrepresented me. I meant (Z) SS4 Goku V (Z) Mystic Goku

The potential unlock unlocks ALL of one's potential and more, so it would make Goku even stronger than SSJ4 in base.

A tad bit unfair, SS4 Goku gets to fuse with Coola.

Coko (SS4) V Mystic Goku

[TheUltimateNinja]

Oh, you misrepresented me. I meant (Z) SS4 Goku V (Z) Mystic Goku

The potential unlock unlocks ALL of one's potential and more, so it would make Goku even stronger than SSJ4 in base.

A tad bit unfair, SS4 Goku gets to fuse with Coola.

Coko (SS4) V Mystic Goku

If its Metamoran fusion Goku actually becomes weaker, if it's Potara he may win.

[dragon boss z]

Goten wins both before and after. I don't know why some people think Goten or Trunks would lose before the chamber. It's clearly said in the manga that Android 18 was scared of a very suppressed attack from SSJ Trunks.

18 was never said to be scared. She just said it was fast and powerful and she looked worried. That could mean anything. Goten just learned how to fly and use ki blasts. I find it hard to believe he is that far above the androids.

He was already pretty close to Gohan in terms of power Pre-RoSAT, Post-RoSAT Goten is equal to Buu Arc Gohan since the Daizenshuu states his battle power is not the least bit inferior to Gohan's.

I'm pretty sure Gohan is quite a bit above Goten. I really don't see Goten lasting one second against Dabura.

Umm have you watched movie 5 recently? Salza was obviously above Dore. Dore was one shotted by Piccolo, Salza put up a fight and he was their leader.

And their are other obviously wrong shonen jump numbers such as Popo and King Piccolo being above Kami even though Popo confirmed Kami was above him and Kami flicked away kid Goku (the same one who beat King Piccolo) like nothing.
Also they gave Chi-Chi a power level of 130 and mecha Tao a power levle of 210. Both of those numbers are way too high.

And yes V-jumps numbers were for a video game, but the video game was based off the show and there would be no reason to try and change the numbers.

But nothing is worse than the movie pamphlet power levels.
It puts Colonel silver at 200, lol.

Yes, I'm aware of Dragon Ball Z Movie 05's story. With considerations that Piccolo could handle all three soldiers at once, a significant comparison between them & the Namekian isn't exactly favoring the former. Their hierarchy among each other is unrelated to Piccolo's world of skill, even if the potential for overcoming him was there. After all, Sauzer's survival is credited to Coola, a fortunate circumstance unrelated to his Battle Power (a figure that isn't be-all & end-all for results).

That particular reading for God occurred during the Saiyan arc. A fair case would exist if that reading applied to the Piccolo arc, where he is superior to Mr. Popo, Goku, & his evil half but that wasn't the case. The Battle Power for the enhanced Tao Pai Pai in comparison to Chi-Chi, a martial artist who isn't as familiar with ki as her contemporary is, doesn't particularly contradict the original story either. Lastly, Silver's reading was seemingly applied to a Carddass game and/or its own film continuity, along with the rest of his peers. "Too high" & "too low" seems entirely subjective for a concept which lacks "official rules". I didn't change numbers, I elaborated their appropriate backgrounds. Dragon Ball Z 3's readings are for its gameplay world, Dragon Ball Z Movie 05's readings exist for its world, promotional material for the original manga apply to its story, & so on.

Piccolo one shot Dore easily. He was actually pushed a bit by Salza.
And Chi chi being 130 makes no sense because she should be nowhere near Roshi, and Tao being 210 makes no sense because 1. that would make him almost King Piccolo level and 2. that means he is stronger than BOZ Krillin, which obviously isn't the case since he was basically one shot by 23rd Tien. I would still put mecha Tao below Roshi. Probalby at around 130. Chi Chi should still be at around 10-30 tbh.

[Gog]

The potential unlock unlocks ALL of one's potential and more, so it would make Goku even stronger than SSJ4 in base.

A tad bit unfair, SS4 Goku gets to fuse with Coola.

Coko (SS4) V Mystic Goku

If its Metamoran fusion Goku actually becomes weaker, if it's Potara he may win.

Coko is a potara fusion. If it's to much than Mystic Goku can fuse with finial form Freeza

[RehBeh]

But GT Goku is as strong as Super Vegetto with SSJ4, Z Goku's got to be a good deal weaker.

Oh, you misrepresented me. I meant (Z) SS4 Goku V (Z) Mystic Goku

The potential unlock unlocks ALL of one's potential and more, so it would make Goku even stronger than SSJ4 in base.

Actually in the perfect files SSJ4 is stated to "draw out the battle power the Saiyan posses to the utmost limit". So it seems they might be equal. Also about Veggeto, it wasn't stated that SSJ4 (GT)+= SSJ Vegetto (Z), it implied that Vegetto may be stronger (any form included). I personally think it meant that a hypothetical Vegetto from the same saga is stronger as SSJ from the Vegeta's and Goku's SSJ4. This is backed up by Baby's statement that he reached "The ultimate Saiyan power" implying that he wrecks anything from Z.

[Ki Breaker]

Barry vs Piccolo