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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by HeroR » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:35 pm

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HeroR wrote:Can't agree on the art being better than Super. I find the art to be very bad in GT. Well, more like the color palette is terrible.
So... not the art, then? :P

In terms of strict adherence to character sheets, GT is very much more consistent than Super. That much is measurable.

But yeah, the colour design in GT is not great. Very edgy 90's nonsense.
I wasn't talking about adherence to character sheets. I was talking about that I don't like the art of GT and the color palette makes it worse. So objectively GT may have better and more consistent animation/art compared to Super, but it doesn't look that way to me because I find GT so visibly unappealing. Plus, I personally don't like the character sheets for GT so the characters looking like them isn't a bonus to me.

But this is all subjective, naturally. Except maybe the color palette which I think is objectively not good.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by kinisking » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:30 pm

There's something about GT's art that looks weird a lot of the time. It's mostly Gohan and Vegeta that end up looking weird though. I don't know how to explain it, but there's something off.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by HeroR » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:36 pm

kinisking wrote:There's something about GT's art that looks weird a lot of the time. It's mostly Gohan and Vegeta that end up looking weird though. I don't know how to explain it, but there's something off.
For me, it's those two plus Trunks and Chi-Chi.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by kinisking » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:43 pm

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kinisking wrote:There's something about GT's art that looks weird a lot of the time. It's mostly Gohan and Vegeta that end up looking weird though. I don't know how to explain it, but there's something off.
For me, it's those two plus Trunks and Chi-Chi.
Now that you mention it, I vaguely remember trunks looking off too. I don't remember Chi-Chi being bad though .
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Noah » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:59 pm

Ajay wrote:In terms of strict adherence to character sheets, GT is very much more consistent than Super. That much is measurable.

But yeah, the colour design in GT is not great. Very edgy 90's nonsense.
I don't know, I'd enjoy the color pallete used in GT as it fits the "galactic" theme of the series.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by IGhostUlt » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:02 pm

kinisking wrote:There's something about GT's art that looks weird a lot of the time. It's mostly Gohan and Vegeta that end up looking weird though. I don't know how to explain it, but there's something off.
That's because they both have that tall 90s hairstyle, but honestly i think it looks awesome.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by kinisking » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:03 pm

IGhostUlt wrote:
kinisking wrote:There's something about GT's art that looks weird a lot of the time. It's mostly Gohan and Vegeta that end up looking weird though. I don't know how to explain it, but there's something off.
That's because they both have that tall 90s hairstyle, but honestly i think it looks awesome.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by JazzMazz » Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:40 am

Just wanted to post a little food for thought about a video I encountered on Shida's work in Z and OG.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0ubFGiQZIg&t=40s
Just wanted to know some of your personal thoughts on his guesses are.
Personally thought it was mostly pretty accurate with some incorrect guesses here and there, such the Krillin and 16 vs Semi Perfect Cell fight, the Cell-juniors vs Z warriors and Gohans transformation.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by ArchedThunder » Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:28 am

Judging by the Jump preview for 78 it looks like the whole team won't even be gathered by the end of that episode, so we might have a fair few episodes before the tournament actually starts, so that could be good for production, especially if Karasawa's near absence on 72 was because he was working on an episode of the tournament.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Ajay » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:06 am

JazzMazz wrote:Just wanted to post a little food for thought about a video I encountered on Shida's work in Z and OG.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0ubFGiQZIg&t=40s
Just wanted to know some of your personal thoughts on his guesses are.
Personally thought it was mostly pretty accurate with some incorrect guesses here and there, such the Krillin and 16 vs Semi Perfect Cell fight, the Cell-juniors vs Z warriors and Gohans transformation.
Some of them are wrong, but they're mostly fine. I'm more concerned that they jumped straight from Z to Super without including any of his GT, movie or special work. Weird. Maybe they're not actually making these judgements themselves.

I also checked out their Naoki Tate one. It's just Kei's old video remade, pretty much, so again, wondering if they're actually making these guesses. They seem to have sourced their Super stuff for him from my old video since it has my old mistake in there. :lol:
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by iAnimationLover_ » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:14 am

Ajay wrote:
I also checked out their Naoki Tate one. It's just Kei's old video remade, pretty much, so again, wondering if they're actually making these guesses. They seem to have sourced their Super stuff for him from my old video since it has my old mistake in there. :lol:

What was the mistake? Just wondering xD

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Ajay » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:23 am

iAnimationLover_ wrote:What was the mistake? Just wondering xD
A long time ago, I credited the rotating ship scene in episode 2 to Tate, but it's actually just that scene at the end between the red monster and Beerus.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by iAnimationLover_ » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:32 am

Ajay wrote:
iAnimationLover_ wrote:What was the mistake? Just wondering xD
A long time ago, I credited the rotating ship scene in episode 2 to Tate, but it's actually just that scene at the end between the red monster and Beerus.

Ohh, that. You mentioned it in one of your new vids right?

Anyway, who do you think animated it?

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Ajay » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:35 am

iAnimationLover_ wrote:Ohh, that. You mentioned it in one of your new vids right?
Anyway, who do you think animated it?
I actually don't know. I'm wondering if it's Yui Kinoshita since she comes third on the staff list. But yeah, no idea, sorry!

Speaking of new videos, I totally forgot to plug my coverage of #76 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ye_bOgpRSE
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Shreyas_Singh » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:18 am

I get the feeling that Ajay actually really hates Dragon Ball Super but only forces himself to make these videos because likes Dragon Ball and is passionate about discussing animation,not that there's anything wrong with that. We haven't had a single arc yet with good story, a satisfying conclusion and we've had only a few instances of great animation.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Gashif Aldi » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:47 am

Shreyas_Singh wrote:I get the feeling that Ajay actually really hates Dragon Ball Super but only forces himself to make these videos because likes Dragon Ball and is passionate about discussing animation,not that there's anything wrong with that. We haven't had a single arc yet with good story, a satisfying conclusion and we've had only a few instances of great animation.
The animation is how we receive the story.
There's so much anime with regular concepts and story.
It's just, the animation is how the story was told.

So, yeah. With good directing Super is actually. Good.

And they're struggling with storyboards. Back then they've used manga panels more. It all depends on the animation company, and the director.

I mean it's common if there's a lot of plotholes. Since Toriyama only writes it, but doesn't draws anything for the story. And, probably back then there's a lots of plotholes. But, they have more time writing the story. Fills those plotholes with fillers. Maybe that's the same case for Vegetto's retcon in Super.

This is probably why I'm always mad. Because, the animation changed how the story goes. It look dull. Because they don't have time.

Weirdly, after watching Accel World. It looked so gorgeus. That animation. But, It's still nothing compared to DBS.
I don't know, watching fights that aren't Dragon Ball is so dissatisfying for me. :lol:
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by FortuneSSJ » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:55 am

Shreyas_Singh wrote:We haven't had a single arc yet with good story, a satisfying conclusion and we've had only a few instances of great animation.
Subjective. A lot of people loved FT Trunks arc and they are satisfied with the ending.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by kinisking » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:00 am

FortuneSSJ wrote:
Shreyas_Singh wrote:We haven't had a single arc yet with good story, a satisfying conclusion and we've had only a few instances of great animation.
Subjective. A lot of people loved FT Trunks arc and they are satisfied with the ending.
Exactly. The ending was eh but the Ft arc was actually good. It's a shame that some people hate on it now even though they loved like 95 percent of the episodes. Also the Bog arc was pretty good too imo .
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Shreyas_Singh » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:34 am

kinisking wrote:
FortuneSSJ wrote:
Shreyas_Singh wrote:We haven't had a single arc yet with good story, a satisfying conclusion and we've had only a few instances of great animation.
Subjective. A lot of people loved FT Trunks arc and they are satisfied with the ending.
Exactly. The ending was eh but the Ft arc was actually good. It's a shame that some people hate on it now even though they loved like 95 percent of the episodes. Also the Bog arc was pretty good too imo .
Ah yes I really enjoyed the Trunks arc too ,I still wish the ending was handled better though :(
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by pacz360 » Thu Feb 02, 2017 2:11 pm

So I heard something about a new director? Mind filling me the details.

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