"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[MyNiggaGoku]

Post from /a/ regarding the anime and manga. Thoughts?
[spoiler][/spoiler]

*gets triggered*

hey, hey, heh. I feel very, very triggered from this little'post' I'll break it down so that it's easier to read.

1. And why should Black have a regular SSJ form? The form would be useless, heck it's like Freeza and his two middle form. Nobody cares about them. Even the franchise doesn't care about them. So why even bother with it? It would essentially be useless padding. Another thing why the hell are everyone questioning what the fuck Super Saiyan Rose is? You can actually draw simple conclusions to what it is through the show. I'll spell it out to you, the aura, the colour, the fact that he has god ki and he even names it in a similar way to Super Saiyan Blue. I'll give you a second to think-, it's just evil Super Saiyan Blue.

In fact if he technically has Super Saiyan Rose, that would mean that he has Super Saiyan, but he never uses it. Because well why would he? There's no point in actually using the form. It's an inferior form, that would serve no purpose. Especially for Goku Black. Also why the hell would you even want Super Saiyan Goku black, we got that in the manga and nearly everyone hated how it was done.

2. The ducks don't give no fucks. ROF is a move that I enjoyed, even though it was insanely disappointing. And the movie was just basically Akira Toriyama, heck he was even surprised at how much was unchanged from what he originally planned. Just because there's Toriyama on it, does not mean it will be good.

3. Degradation of characters Oh no you fucking don't. You have no right and I will shred you for stating that. Your fucking opinion. Here's the thing Goku was literally acting like Goku in that scene. That was what set Zamasu off, the blatant disrespect that Goku showed to him. I'LL EVEN GET TO THAT LATER ON. Not going all out? You mean what Goku always fucking does and what is actually in character for Goku to do? What's your fucking problem with that? Goku's not superman which is apparently what you think he is? So you're judging his intelligence on the fact that he forgot something? What. The. Fuck, it's a momentary lapse of concentration, that shit happens, to all of us. Also happened again, jeez it's like these characters are people. Also I remember Goku's epic reaction to the death of his son and wife, he totally messed Black Goku and Zamasu- wait a minute that was the anime silly me. However that dammit was pretty hardcore as well.

Also, what the fuck is the problem with the Omni King button? What's your fucking problem with the fucking Omni King button, why don't you like the fact that Goku was literally forced to press the button, as all options had been literally wasted, and his enemy was stronger than ever? And the enemy was going to destroy all worlds? What's your fucking problem with this

Also degradation of characters? You have no fucking idea on the size of the supernova landmine of rage your stepping on. The manga version literally degraded the most important aspect of the arc. Black Goku and Zamasu, but more importantly Black Goku. The whole entire reason why Zamasu becomes evil is. Because. Of. Goku, seeing how dangerous and disrespectful mortals can be Zamasu grew hateful of them. And the Babari dino fucks just further escalated that. But the most important part of that is Goku. Apparently he watched a fucking GodTube(Tm) clip and got all mad about it. He still got the Babari, but the main reason Goku, was not there. So it wasn't as good.

And to the main dessert black Goku, *Gog embraces manga black Goku, and slowly strokes his head, "I'm so, so sorry for what he's done to you" Gog told him. Tears welled out of manga black Goku's eyes, he burrowed his head into Gog's chest, and started sobbing uncontrollably, "it can be fixed" Gog tightened his embrace of manga black Goku, "there's, there's still the anime..." Gog reminded him sadly. Black Goku's sorrow could be heard from everywhere"* Now the main problem with black Goku in this arc is that everything good about him in the anime, was stomped and pissed on by the artist. Basically turning him from a unique, intimidating, enjoyable villain. To generic Dragon ball villain, hey we've done this already. Everything unique about black, the level headiness especially in stressful situations, the masochistic part of him, his incredibly sense of determination which only Freeza himself rivals.

*Poof* gone instead where replaced with some egotistical, speech sprouting, arrogant, losses his head when under pressure, who wears fucking eye liner to make himself seem more savage, and psychopathic than his anime counterpart. Which his anime counterpart achieved without seemingly any effort. In fact i'd even go as far as to consider Goku black anime and Manga to be different characters.

In fact I even wished that the artist would have redesigned Black's appearance, for something more fitting.

[spoiler] This is more like it.[/spoiler]

Extras. I can't fucking believe it, you really expected Dragon Ball to have a clear and consistent power line? Such a thing has never once been a piority for the franchise. Also if you want to get technical than even the super manga fucks up just as bad. I don't give much fucks about Frost, but his character in Super was expanded on more so than in the manga. TL;DR Manga Frost needs to be expanded on.

4. I really couldn't care much about the fact that Black wear's a time ring or not. I'd dare say that Black wearing a time ring is prehaps an important design choice for the anime, especially with the route they chose.

5. I cannot fucking believe this. Perhaps you should relabel this as removing good character motivations, such as Goku defeating. Humiliating Zamasu in battle and showing a complete lack of respect while doing so, also personalizing it was well. And instead replacing it with the fucking pathetic, piss poor, shit stained excuse that Zamasu saw Goku on GodTube, thus making his entire motivation on the level of an angry youtube comment.

6. Making characters useful.... I can't, but I must. How the hell is the manga the exception here? I seem to remember how big of a help Bulma is, how Gowasu is the only reason why there still alive, how Master Roshi gave them the mafuba, how Piccolo had the video. Listing off the manga for having this, means exactly jack shit as the anime has it as well.

7. And? Some scenes in the anime shit all over that beautiful art.

So in conclusion

You're free to have your preferences for which one adaption is better. However with all these points made it is clear without a shadow of a doubt. That what the fuck. I'll say it, your free to have whatever opinion you want, but you will admit that the manga is just painfully mediocre and it isn't healthy of you to consistently stroke it like that.

The anime story while having it's high ups and low downs, isn't the character burning, motivation burning, bland as sandland abomination that the manga is and nearly all your points can be applied to the manga as well. YOU FUCKING ARROGANT, CLOSE MINDED, OBNOXIOUS HYPOCRITE, You cannot say that, you cannot fucking say that the manga is the better adaption case close and basically wave away all points in favor of the anime. YOUR JUST DOING WHAT YOU SAID YOU SHOULDN'T BE DOING

First of all,chill out.No need getting overly mad because your points will lose their meaning.Also,the end note in the picture was contradictory as hell,no doubt about that and it was a pretty arrogant statement,but the points that were made were pretty strong.If you don't agree with them then it's perfectly fine.Actually,some of the points you made make a lot of sense but I disagree with you,because I agree with the points of the picture.Everything is a matter of preference,but being polite and open minded is a neccessity for people that belong to a community.I'm not saying this for you only,but also for the guy that made the pic(whoever it is) and for myself too.For everyone.

[Cipher]

I'd go a step further. I think that Toei's staff gets it just fine (how couldn't they, these plots are very simple), but choose not to care cause reasons. Moreover, they assume the audience is too stupid to know the difference, which some might be insulted by.

I was just going to respond to that image by quipping "5/10, not enough red string," but I wound up reading through parts of it. Noting the time ring not being present in Black's design was a new one for me.

I think it is the case that Toyotaro simply puts more time and effort into executing a consistent story -- both in terms of plot and characters -- than Toei does given the same material. Part of that is simply the difference between the work of a singular super-fan versus a staff of varying writers on multiple series. But part of it ... doesn't really feel excusable. If Toei were to have one or two more meetings in a writers' room with everyone giving their all, could they really not catch the timeline issues, find a way to address where Zamasu's been, realize how many moments highlighting Goku's ignorance they're writing into one arc, etc.? It really does feel like a case of everyone putting in minimal effort, in terms of ensuring the series presents a coherent story. I'm not sure how often the Super writers all get together, but it's not enough. This is all low-hanging fruit.

Unfortunately Toyotaro is still confined to a monthly promotional manga without the space or schedule to tell the story on his own terms, or even ones that feel completely natural. It'll never quite read like a stand-alone product, while the anime very much operates as one (ignoring the adaptation arcs). I don't think it's so much a matter of comparing the manga to the anime and proclaiming a clear winner. More than anything, I just wish we could get someone as attentive and invested as Toyotaro as showrunner.

[Gog]

Post from /a/ regarding the anime and manga. Thoughts?
[spoiler][/spoiler]

*gets triggered*

hey, hey, heh. I feel very, very triggered from this little'post' I'll break it down so that it's easier to read.

1. And why should Black have a regular SSJ form? The form would be useless, heck it's like Freeza and his two middle form. Nobody cares about them. Even the franchise doesn't care about them. So why even bother with it? It would essentially be useless padding. Another thing why the hell are everyone questioning what the fuck Super Saiyan Rose is? You can actually draw simple conclusions to what it is through the show. I'll spell it out to you, the aura, the colour, the fact that he has god ki and he even names it in a similar way to Super Saiyan Blue. I'll give you a second to think-, it's just evil Super Saiyan Blue.

In fact if he technically has Super Saiyan Rose, that would mean that he has Super Saiyan, but he never uses it. Because well why would he? There's no point in actually using the form. It's an inferior form, that would serve no purpose. Especially for Goku Black. Also why the hell would you even want Super Saiyan Goku black, we got that in the manga and nearly everyone hated how it was done.

2. The ducks don't give no fucks. ROF is a move that I enjoyed, even though it was insanely disappointing. And the movie was just basically Akira Toriyama, heck he was even surprised at how much was unchanged from what he originally planned. Just because there's Toriyama on it, does not mean it will be good.

3. Degradation of characters Oh no you fucking don't. You have no right and I will shred you for stating that. Your fucking opinion. Here's the thing Goku was literally acting like Goku in that scene. That was what set Zamasu off, the blatant disrespect that Goku showed to him. I'LL EVEN GET TO THAT LATER ON. Not going all out? You mean what Goku always fucking does and what is actually in character for Goku to do? What's your fucking problem with that? Goku's not superman which is apparently what you think he is? So you're judging his intelligence on the fact that he forgot something? What. The. Fuck, it's a momentary lapse of concentration, that shit happens, to all of us. Also happened again, jeez it's like these characters are people. Also I remember Goku's epic reaction to the death of his son and wife, he totally messed Black Goku and Zamasu- wait a minute that was the anime silly me. However that dammit was pretty hardcore as well.

Also, what the fuck is the problem with the Omni King button? What's your fucking problem with the fucking Omni King button, why don't you like the fact that Goku was literally forced to press the button, as all options had been literally wasted, and his enemy was stronger than ever? And the enemy was going to destroy all worlds? What's your fucking problem with this

Also degradation of characters? You have no fucking idea on the size of the supernova landmine of rage your stepping on. The manga version literally degraded the most important aspect of the arc. Black Goku and Zamasu, but more importantly Black Goku. The whole entire reason why Zamasu becomes evil is. Because. Of. Goku, seeing how dangerous and disrespectful mortals can be Zamasu grew hateful of them. And the Babari dino fucks just further escalated that. But the most important part of that is Goku. Apparently he watched a fucking GodTube(Tm) clip and got all mad about it. He still got the Babari, but the main reason Goku, was not there. So it wasn't as good.

And to the main dessert black Goku, *Gog embraces manga black Goku, and slowly strokes his head, "I'm so, so sorry for what he's done to you" Gog told him. Tears welled out of manga black Goku's eyes, he burrowed his head into Gog's chest, and started sobbing uncontrollably, "it can be fixed" Gog tightened his embrace of manga black Goku, "there's, there's still the anime..." Gog reminded him sadly. Black Goku's sorrow could be heard from everywhere"* Now the main problem with black Goku in this arc is that everything good about him in the anime, was stomped and pissed on by the artist. Basically turning him from a unique, intimidating, enjoyable villain. To generic Dragon ball villain, hey we've done this already. Everything unique about black, the level headiness especially in stressful situations, the masochistic part of him, his incredibly sense of determination which only Freeza himself rivals.

*Poof* gone instead where replaced with some egotistical, speech sprouting, arrogant, losses his head when under pressure, who wears fucking eye liner to make himself seem more savage, and psychopathic than his anime counterpart. Which his anime counterpart achieved without seemingly any effort. In fact i'd even go as far as to consider Goku black anime and Manga to be different characters.

In fact I even wished that the artist would have redesigned Black's appearance, for something more fitting.

[spoiler] This is more like it.[/spoiler]

Extras. I can't fucking believe it, you really expected Dragon Ball to have a clear and consistent power line? Such a thing has never once been a piority for the franchise. Also if you want to get technical than even the super manga fucks up just as bad. I don't give much fucks about Frost, but his character in Super was expanded on more so than in the manga. TL;DR Manga Frost needs to be expanded on.

4. I really couldn't care much about the fact that Black wear's a time ring or not. I'd dare say that Black wearing a time ring is prehaps an important design choice for the anime, especially with the route they chose.

5. I cannot fucking believe this. Perhaps you should relabel this as removing good character motivations, such as Goku defeating. Humiliating Zamasu in battle and showing a complete lack of respect while doing so, also personalizing it was well. And instead replacing it with the fucking pathetic, piss poor, shit stained excuse that Zamasu saw Goku on GodTube, thus making his entire motivation on the level of an angry youtube comment.

6. Making characters useful.... I can't, but I must. How the hell is the manga the exception here? I seem to remember how big of a help Bulma is, how Gowasu is the only reason why there still alive, how Master Roshi gave them the mafuba, how Piccolo had the video. Listing off the manga for having this, means exactly jack shit as the anime has it as well.

7. And? Some scenes in the anime shit all over that beautiful art.

So in conclusion

You're free to have your preferences for which one adaption is better. However with all these points made it is clear without a shadow of a doubt. That what the fuck. I'll say it, your free to have whatever opinion you want, but you will admit that the manga is just painfully mediocre and it isn't healthy of you to consistently stroke it like that.

The anime story while having it's high ups and low downs, isn't the character burning, motivation burning, bland as sandland abomination that the manga is and nearly all your points can be applied to the manga as well. YOU FUCKING ARROGANT, CLOSE MINDED, OBNOXIOUS HYPOCRITE, You cannot say that, you cannot fucking say that the manga is the better adaption case close and basically wave away all points in favor of the anime. YOUR JUST DOING WHAT YOU SAID YOU SHOULDN'T BE DOING

First of all,chill out.No need getting overly mad because your points will lose their meaning.Also,the end note in the picture was contradictory as hell,no doubt about that and it was a pretty arrogant statement,but the points that were made were pretty strong.If you don't agree with them then it's perfectly fine.Actually,some of the points you made make a lot of sense but I disagree with you,because I agree with the points of the picture.Everything is a matter of preference,but being polite and open minded is a neccessity for people that belong to a community.I'm not saying this for you only,but also for the guy that made the pic(whoever it is) and for myself too.For everyone.

The points didn't lose meaning. It was just a rant.
Yes, yes I know, I'm normally pretty polite to people, but one this just annoyed me to no end. Also I am polite and opened minded, this was just one of my angrier moments, and yes everything is a matter of preference in the end. But it still doesn't mean that I replied to this guy while I was angry. But regardless of this all, your free to enjoy the manga and prefer it over the anime. But calling it the clear, without the shadow of doubt better version? Even with all of the manga flaws I presented is just hypocritical

[emperior]

Post from /a/ regarding the anime and manga. Thoughts?
[spoiler][/spoiler]

It's so fucking biased it hurts.
For how many errors the anime admittedly made, it also gave us some truly memorable moments the manga hasn't given us/won't be giving us.
Black's characterization, Zamasu's motivations, Goku vs Black in the present, Vegeta training Trunks, Black impaling Vegeta, Goku's rage, Beerus' and Whis' investigation on Zamasu are all things only the anime had/the anime did better.

Sure, the manga has also done some things better like Goku, who is more on-character, and the explanation to Black's power-ups which was strangely missing in the anime (it's one of the main gripes I have, it would have been so easy to make up an explanation to that) and Zamasu burning the Senzus, also Toyotaro was smarter into condensing everything into 2 time travels. I'm also quite sure the remaining chapters are going to be very good, also because the outline itself is good even if it's basic.

I also don't like how everyone is claiming Toyotaro's manga is closer to Toriyama's vision and outline. We don't know how much Toriyama is collaborating with the anime staff, but I suppose he checks the episodes scripts and dialogues and gives his approval.
And Toyotaro claiming his manga follows the outline very closely doesn't mean the anime doesn't.

[MyNiggaGoku]

*gets triggered*

hey, hey, heh. I feel very, very triggered from this little'post' I'll break it down so that it's easier to read.

1. And why should Black have a regular SSJ form? The form would be useless, heck it's like Freeza and his two middle form. Nobody cares about them. Even the franchise doesn't care about them. So why even bother with it? It would essentially be useless padding. Another thing why the hell are everyone questioning what the fuck Super Saiyan Rose is? You can actually draw simple conclusions to what it is through the show. I'll spell it out to you, the aura, the colour, the fact that he has god ki and he even names it in a similar way to Super Saiyan Blue. I'll give you a second to think-, it's just evil Super Saiyan Blue.

In fact if he technically has Super Saiyan Rose, that would mean that he has Super Saiyan, but he never uses it. Because well why would he? There's no point in actually using the form. It's an inferior form, that would serve no purpose. Especially for Goku Black. Also why the hell would you even want Super Saiyan Goku black, we got that in the manga and nearly everyone hated how it was done.

2. The ducks don't give no fucks. ROF is a move that I enjoyed, even though it was insanely disappointing. And the movie was just basically Akira Toriyama, heck he was even surprised at how much was unchanged from what he originally planned. Just because there's Toriyama on it, does not mean it will be good.

3. Degradation of characters Oh no you fucking don't. You have no right and I will shred you for stating that. Your fucking opinion. Here's the thing Goku was literally acting like Goku in that scene. That was what set Zamasu off, the blatant disrespect that Goku showed to him. I'LL EVEN GET TO THAT LATER ON. Not going all out? You mean what Goku always fucking does and what is actually in character for Goku to do? What's your fucking problem with that? Goku's not superman which is apparently what you think he is? So you're judging his intelligence on the fact that he forgot something? What. The. Fuck, it's a momentary lapse of concentration, that shit happens, to all of us. Also happened again, jeez it's like these characters are people. Also I remember Goku's epic reaction to the death of his son and wife, he totally messed Black Goku and Zamasu- wait a minute that was the anime silly me. However that dammit was pretty hardcore as well.

Also, what the fuck is the problem with the Omni King button? What's your fucking problem with the fucking Omni King button, why don't you like the fact that Goku was literally forced to press the button, as all options had been literally wasted, and his enemy was stronger than ever? And the enemy was going to destroy all worlds? What's your fucking problem with this

Also degradation of characters? You have no fucking idea on the size of the supernova landmine of rage your stepping on. The manga version literally degraded the most important aspect of the arc. Black Goku and Zamasu, but more importantly Black Goku. The whole entire reason why Zamasu becomes evil is. Because. Of. Goku, seeing how dangerous and disrespectful mortals can be Zamasu grew hateful of them. And the Babari dino fucks just further escalated that. But the most important part of that is Goku. Apparently he watched a fucking GodTube(Tm) clip and got all mad about it. He still got the Babari, but the main reason Goku, was not there. So it wasn't as good.

And to the main dessert black Goku, *Gog embraces manga black Goku, and slowly strokes his head, "I'm so, so sorry for what he's done to you" Gog told him. Tears welled out of manga black Goku's eyes, he burrowed his head into Gog's chest, and started sobbing uncontrollably, "it can be fixed" Gog tightened his embrace of manga black Goku, "there's, there's still the anime..." Gog reminded him sadly. Black Goku's sorrow could be heard from everywhere"* Now the main problem with black Goku in this arc is that everything good about him in the anime, was stomped and pissed on by the artist. Basically turning him from a unique, intimidating, enjoyable villain. To generic Dragon ball villain, hey we've done this already. Everything unique about black, the level headiness especially in stressful situations, the masochistic part of him, his incredibly sense of determination which only Freeza himself rivals.

*Poof* gone instead where replaced with some egotistical, speech sprouting, arrogant, losses his head when under pressure, who wears fucking eye liner to make himself seem more savage, and psychopathic than his anime counterpart. Which his anime counterpart achieved without seemingly any effort. In fact i'd even go as far as to consider Goku black anime and Manga to be different characters.

In fact I even wished that the artist would have redesigned Black's appearance, for something more fitting.

[spoiler] This is more like it.[/spoiler]

Extras. I can't fucking believe it, you really expected Dragon Ball to have a clear and consistent power line? Such a thing has never once been a piority for the franchise. Also if you want to get technical than even the super manga fucks up just as bad. I don't give much fucks about Frost, but his character in Super was expanded on more so than in the manga. TL;DR Manga Frost needs to be expanded on.

4. I really couldn't care much about the fact that Black wear's a time ring or not. I'd dare say that Black wearing a time ring is prehaps an important design choice for the anime, especially with the route they chose.

5. I cannot fucking believe this. Perhaps you should relabel this as removing good character motivations, such as Goku defeating. Humiliating Zamasu in battle and showing a complete lack of respect while doing so, also personalizing it was well. And instead replacing it with the fucking pathetic, piss poor, shit stained excuse that Zamasu saw Goku on GodTube, thus making his entire motivation on the level of an angry youtube comment.

6. Making characters useful.... I can't, but I must. How the hell is the manga the exception here? I seem to remember how big of a help Bulma is, how Gowasu is the only reason why there still alive, how Master Roshi gave them the mafuba, how Piccolo had the video. Listing off the manga for having this, means exactly jack shit as the anime has it as well.

7. And? Some scenes in the anime shit all over that beautiful art.

So in conclusion

You're free to have your preferences for which one adaption is better. However with all these points made it is clear without a shadow of a doubt. That what the fuck. I'll say it, your free to have whatever opinion you want, but you will admit that the manga is just painfully mediocre and it isn't healthy of you to consistently stroke it like that.

The anime story while having it's high ups and low downs, isn't the character burning, motivation burning, bland as sandland abomination that the manga is and nearly all your points can be applied to the manga as well. YOU FUCKING ARROGANT, CLOSE MINDED, OBNOXIOUS HYPOCRITE, You cannot say that, you cannot fucking say that the manga is the better adaption case close and basically wave away all points in favor of the anime. YOUR JUST DOING WHAT YOU SAID YOU SHOULDN'T BE DOING

First of all,chill out.No need getting overly mad because your points will lose their meaning.Also,the end note in the picture was contradictory as hell,no doubt about that and it was a pretty arrogant statement,but the points that were made were pretty strong.If you don't agree with them then it's perfectly fine.Actually,some of the points you made make a lot of sense but I disagree with you,because I agree with the points of the picture.Everything is a matter of preference,but being polite and open minded is a neccessity for people that belong to a community.I'm not saying this for you only,but also for the guy that made the pic(whoever it is) and for myself too.For everyone.

The points didn't lose meaning. It was just a rant.
Yes, yes I know, I'm normally pretty polite to people, but one this just annoyed me to no end. Also I am polite and opened minded, this was just one of my angrier moments, and yes everything is a matter of preference in the end. But it still doesn't mean that I replied to this guy while I was angry. But regardless of this all, your free to enjoy the manga and prefer it over the anime. But calling it the clear, without the shadow of doubt better version? Even with all of the manga flaws I presented is just hypocritical

The manga is better IMO.The anime is better in yours.There's no need for a ''best'' version of Super to exist.So yes I agree with you,whoever calls their preferred version the definite best,is at least arrogant.

[Noah]

I can't fucking believe it, you really expected Dragon Ball to have a clear and consistent power line? Such a thing has never once been a piority for the franchise.

He's right when you have a series that involves constant fighting, it is important to have a consistent power scale as it makes things clearer for the audience.

[HeroR]

Post from /a/ regarding the anime and manga. Thoughts?
[spoiler][/spoiler]

*gets triggered*

hey, hey, heh. I feel very, very triggered from this little'post' I'll break it down so that it's easier to read.

1. And why should Black have a regular SSJ form? The form would be useless, heck it's like Freeza and his two middle form. Nobody cares about them. Even the franchise doesn't care about them. So why even bother with it? It would essentially be useless padding. Another thing why the hell are everyone questioning what the fuck Super Saiyan Rose is? You can actually draw simple conclusions to what it is through the show. I'll spell it out to you, the aura, the colour, the fact that he has god ki and he even names it in a similar way to Super Saiyan Blue. I'll give you a second to think-, it's just evil Super Saiyan Blue.

In fact if he technically has Super Saiyan Rose, that would mean that he has Super Saiyan, but he never uses it. Because well why would he? There's no point in actually using the form. It's an inferior form, that would serve no purpose. Especially for Goku Black. Also why the hell would you even want Super Saiyan Goku black, we got that in the manga and nearly everyone hated how it was done.

2. The ducks don't give no fucks. ROF is a move that I enjoyed, even though it was insanely disappointing. And the movie was just basically Akira Toriyama, heck he was even surprised at how much was unchanged from what he originally planned. Just because there's Toriyama on it, does not mean it will be good.

3. Degradation of characters Oh no you fucking don't. You have no right and I will shred you for stating that. Your fucking opinion. Here's the thing Goku was literally acting like Goku in that scene. That was what set Zamasu off, the blatant disrespect that Goku showed to him. I'LL EVEN GET TO THAT LATER ON. Not going all out? You mean what Goku always fucking does and what is actually in character for Goku to do? What's your fucking problem with that? Goku's not superman which is apparently what you think he is? So you're judging his intelligence on the fact that he forgot something? What. The. Fuck, it's a momentary lapse of concentration, that shit happens, to all of us. Also happened again, jeez it's like these characters are people. Also I remember Goku's epic reaction to the death of his son and wife, he totally messed Black Goku and Zamasu- wait a minute that was the anime silly me. However that dammit was pretty hardcore as well.

Also, what the fuck is the problem with the Omni King button? What's your fucking problem with the fucking Omni King button, why don't you like the fact that Goku was literally forced to press the button, as all options had been literally wasted, and his enemy was stronger than ever? And the enemy was going to destroy all worlds? What's your fucking problem with this

Also degradation of characters? You have no fucking idea on the size of the supernova landmine of rage your stepping on. The manga version literally degraded the most important aspect of the arc. Black Goku and Zamasu, but more importantly Black Goku. The whole entire reason why Zamasu becomes evil is. Because. Of. Goku, seeing how dangerous and disrespectful mortals can be Zamasu grew hateful of them. And the Babari dino fucks just further escalated that. But the most important part of that is Goku. Apparently he watched a fucking GodTube(Tm) clip and got all mad about it. He still got the Babari, but the main reason Goku, was not there. So it wasn't as good.

And to the main dessert black Goku, *Gog embraces manga black Goku, and slowly strokes his head, "I'm so, so sorry for what he's done to you" Gog told him. Tears welled out of manga black Goku's eyes, he burrowed his head into Gog's chest, and started sobbing uncontrollably, "it can be fixed" Gog tightened his embrace of manga black Goku, "there's, there's still the anime..." Gog reminded him sadly. Black Goku's sorrow could be heard from everywhere"* Now the main problem with black Goku in this arc is that everything good about him in the anime, was stomped and pissed on by the artist. Basically turning him from a unique, intimidating, enjoyable villain. To generic Dragon ball villain, hey we've done this already. Everything unique about black, the level headiness especially in stressful situations, the masochistic part of him, his incredibly sense of determination which only Freeza himself rivals.

*Poof* gone instead where replaced with some egotistical, speech sprouting, arrogant, losses his head when under pressure, who wears fucking eye liner to make himself seem more savage, and psychopathic than his anime counterpart. Which his anime counterpart achieved without seemingly any effort. In fact i'd even go as far as to consider Goku black anime and Manga to be different characters.

In fact I even wished that the artist would have redesigned Black's appearance, for something more fitting.

[spoiler] This is more like it.[/spoiler]

Extras. I can't fucking believe it, you really expected Dragon Ball to have a clear and consistent power line? Such a thing has never once been a piority for the franchise. Also if you want to get technical than even the super manga fucks up just as bad. I don't give much fucks about Frost, but his character in Super was expanded on more so than in the manga. TL;DR Manga Frost needs to be expanded on.

4. I really couldn't care much about the fact that Black wear's a time ring or not. I'd dare say that Black wearing a time ring is prehaps an important design choice for the anime, especially with the route they chose.

5. I cannot fucking believe this. Perhaps you should relabel this as removing good character motivations, such as Goku defeating. Humiliating Zamasu in battle and showing a complete lack of respect while doing so, also personalizing it was well. And instead replacing it with the fucking pathetic, piss poor, shit stained excuse that Zamasu saw Goku on GodTube, thus making his entire motivation on the level of an angry youtube comment.

6. Making characters useful.... I can't, but I must. How the hell is the manga the exception here? I seem to remember how big of a help Bulma is, how Gowasu is the only reason why there still alive, how Master Roshi gave them the mafuba, how Piccolo had the video. Listing off the manga for having this, means exactly jack shit as the anime has it as well.

7. And? Some scenes in the anime shit all over that beautiful art.

So in conclusion

You're free to have your preferences for which one adaption is better. However with all these points made it is clear without a shadow of a doubt. That what the fuck. I'll say it, your free to have whatever opinion you want, but you will admit that the manga is just painfully mediocre and it isn't healthy of you to consistently stroke it like that.

The anime story while having it's high ups and low downs, isn't the character burning, motivation burning, bland as sandland abomination that the manga is and nearly all your points can be applied to the manga as well. YOU FUCKING ARROGANT, CLOSE MINDED, OBNOXIOUS HYPOCRITE, You cannot say that, you cannot fucking say that the manga is the better adaption case close and basically wave away all points in favor of the anime. YOUR JUST DOING WHAT YOU SAID YOU SHOULDN'T BE DOING

Yeah, mostly agree with this, especially Black, who the manga turned into Perfect Cell. Who is also my least favorite villain in the entire franchise. I also hate the Majin eyes the manga gave Black. He supposed to looked elegant, not like a psycho like Majin Vegeta.

[Lord Beerus]

Post from /a/ regarding the anime and manga. Thoughts?
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Different strokes for different folks. I like the manga a lot for its more consistent art style, streamlined story and workable power scale. But it comes at the cost of actual character development or breather periods which helped the story feel more engrossing and less rushed. Yes, the manga has better pacing but the overall narrative, especially if you imagine a scenario where the anime doesn't exist, feels so half baked. I don't know where this notion that Toyotaro's take on the Toriyama's plot outline is more accurate, but this mentality really need to die because it's flat out false. I also don't agree that Goku has become an idiot,a and I've explained why that is the case at ad nauseum, or that Frost is handled any better in the manga because A) he has no character in the manga and B) he is compared to Freeza in both mediums. Plus, the manga also retains the stable time loop issue that resulted in Goku Black's existence being a literal paradox. Nevertheless, I think the manga and anime do well in complementing each other and cancelling out their weakness and playing up to their strengths and both mediums deserves their fair share of praise and criticism form what they've done well and what they haven't done well. Remember folks, you can like both of them and whatever you think is better is entirely your opinion, and not any others.

EDIT: Also, one thing I forgot to mention is that considering the manga is basically a promotion tool for the anime, the fact that it manages to handle some aspects of the story better than the anime is something that truly had to be admired for what is basically a glorified advertisement of a show that was blatantly created for the purpose of pimping out more toys and cards.

[MyNiggaGoku]

Post from /a/ regarding the anime and manga. Thoughts?
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Different strokes for different folks. I like the manga a lot for its more consistent art style, streamlined story and workable power scale. But it comes at the cost of actual character development or breather periods which helped the story feel more engrossing and less rushed. Yes, the manga has better pacing but the overall narrative, especially if you imagine a scenario where the anime doesn't exist, feels so half baked. I don't know where this notion that Toyotaro's take on the Toriyama's plot outline is more accurate, but this mentality really need to die because it's flat out false. I also don't agree that Goku has become an idiot,a and I've explained why that is the case at ad nauseum, or that Frost is handled any better in the manga because A) he has no character in the manga and B) he is compared to Freeza in both mediums. Plus, the manga also retains the stable time loop issue that resulted in Goku Black's existence being a literal paradox. Nevertheless, I think the manga and anime do well in complementing each other and cancelling out their weakness and playing up to their strengths and both mediums deserves their fair share of praise and criticism form what they've done well and what they haven't done well. Remember folks, you can like both of them and whatever you think if better is entirely your opinion, and not any others.

Exactly that.

[Chelentano]

You guys should learn how to quote a comment and when to hide it.

[Gog]

Post from /a/ regarding the anime and manga. Thoughts?
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Different strokes for different folks. I like the manga a lot for its more consistent art style, streamlined story and workable power scale. But it comes at the cost of actual character development or breather periods which helped the story feel more engrossing and less rushed. Yes, the manga has better pacing but the overall narrative, especially if you imagine a scenario where the anime doesn't exist, feels so half baked. I don't know where this notion that Toyotaro's take on the Toriyama's plot outline is more accurate, but this mentality really need to die because it's flat out false. I also don't agree that Goku has become an idiot,a and I've explained why that is the case at ad nauseum, or that Frost is handled any better in the manga because A) he has no character in the manga and B) he is compared to Freeza in both mediums. Plus, the manga also retains the stable time loop issue that resulted in Goku Black's existence being a literal paradox. Nevertheless, I think the manga and anime do well in complementing each other and cancelling out their weakness and playing up to their strengths and both mediums deserves their fair share of praise and criticism form what they've done well and what they haven't done well. Remember folks, you can like both of them and whatever you think if better is entirely your opinion, and not any others.

I actually wish that the manga and the anime fused together and ditched the flaws that both of them suffered. So we would have consistent power tiers, a more streamlined narrative and everything that actually made the Black arc good

[mfwlegend3]

In regards to chapter 20, one thing I thought was disappointing was the absence of Black and Zamasu Grade-A teamwork. Also, Goku was defeated easily before he even got a chance to fight against Black himself.

[Boo Machine]

I actually wish that the manga and the anime fused together and ditched the flaws that both of them suffered. So we would have consistent power tiers, a more streamlined narrative and everything that actually made the Black arc good

Mixing the anime's chocolate with the manga's peanut butter would give us all the Reese's fans could really enjoy.

Such a damn shame they're separate.

[zamasu121]

I bet the manga will hit the trifecta(ss ikari,trunks using the mafuba and cutting zamasu in half). I can't wait and see how people defend that

That'll be proof positive Toriyama needs to stop writing this series, even more so than anything else after BoG.

I agree 100%. If toriyama wrote those plot points, then he should stop writing this series.

[The gr]

You know I find it hilarious that manga goku black origins avoided a bullshit time paradox yet it get criticized but in the anime goku black has the most bullshit origins that make no fucking sense yet it get praised or unless the manga has a bullshit time paradox that I'm not noticing it

and unpopular opinion goku rage scene in ep 61 was awful and it did not make sense

[Boo Machine]

You know I find it hilarious that manga goku black origins avoided a bullshit time paradox yet it get criticized but in the anime goku black has the most bullshit origins that make no fucking sense yet it get praised or unless the manga has a bullshit time paradox that I'm not noticing it

Well for me, the origins of a character rarely influence my like for them. If the origins are going to be dumb then the character better make it up as a damn entertaining character. And in the anime he was very much entertaining. I wouldn't call his manga counter part bad, just underwhelming in comparison.

[The gr]

You know I find it hilarious that manga goku black origins avoided a bullshit time paradox yet it get criticized but in the anime goku black has the most bullshit origins that make no fucking sense yet it get praised or unless the manga has a bullshit time paradox that I'm not noticing it

Well for me, the origins of a character rarely influence my like for them. If the origins are going to be dumb then the character better make it up as a damn entertaining character. And in the anime he was very much entertaining. I wouldn't call his manga counter part bad, just underwhelming in comparison.

Well the manga motivation of goku black was underwhelming but I'm hoping goku black goes to a speech about why he choose Goku because we seriously need that

but man Goku black origin in the anime makes no God damn sense that it almost damage the arc

[Boo Machine]

You know I find it hilarious that manga goku black origins avoided a bullshit time paradox yet it get criticized but in the anime goku black has the most bullshit origins that make no fucking sense yet it get praised or unless the manga has a bullshit time paradox that I'm not noticing it

Well for me, the origins of a character rarely influence my like for them. If the origins are going to be dumb then the character better make it up as a damn entertaining character. And in the anime he was very much entertaining. I wouldn't call his manga counter part bad, just underwhelming in comparison.

Well the manga motivation of goku black was underwhelming but I'm hoping goku black goes to a speech about why he choose Goku because we seriously need that

but man Goku black anime makes no God damn sense that it almost damage the arc

I never really saw the origin to be arc breaking. Sure there is a weird logic to the loop they are using, but it was never really detrimental to the story, as I feel like all the pieces were there. Zamasu hates Goku, takes Goku's body out of spite. And of course to use his power. The pieces may not all fit together very well, but I view it as having the pieces to a puzzle where one of the pieces doesn't fit. It's a bit frustrating that it's so close to perfect, but it's harmless if that last piece doesn't make it in and I'm fine with leaving the piece there. I know what the picture is supposed to look like. At least that's how I do my puzzles.

I'm not good with puzzles.

[Doctor.]

You know I find it hilarious that manga goku black origins avoided a bullshit time paradox yet it get criticized but in the anime goku black has the most bullshit origins that make no fucking sense yet it get praised or unless the manga has a bullshit time paradox that I'm not noticing it

and unpopular opinion goku rage scene in ep 61 was awful and it did not make sense

The time travel makes no sense in the manga either because the mistake is on Toriyama's end.

[TheUltimateNinja]

You know I find it hilarious that manga goku black origins avoided a bullshit time paradox yet it get criticized but in the anime goku black has the most bullshit origins that make no fucking sense yet it get praised or unless the manga has a bullshit time paradox that I'm not noticing it

and unpopular opinion goku rage scene in ep 61 was awful and it did not make sense

The time travel makes no sense in the manga either because the mistake is on Toriyama's end.

Manga Zamasu doesn't even have a reason to pick Goku's body specifically since he never interacted with him personally and only knows of him through the tournament broadcast.