The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Feb 04, 2017 2:28 am

Gog wrote: Goku dies, unless he can go SS4
There's no SSJ4 in Super, and even if there was he would get fucked.
Lord Frieza wrote:Been trying to think of a good match up for Goku and came up with this.

Goku vs.......Mongul!

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Background:

Goku feels a strange and powerful ki while training with Whis and goes to investigate. Teleporting, he finds himself on Warworld, a giant, planet sized space weapon and comes face with the tyrant Mongul. Mongul and Warworld have come to this universe due to a tear in the fabric of reality. Goku can sense that Mongul is not a good person but eagerly wants to fight him. Mongul was initially shocked and angered at Goku's sudden appearance but he can also tell that Goku is a warrior and strong. Mongul loves combat himself and decides to humor the saiyan, not only for the fun of battle but also to gauge the powers and abilities of this universes life forms.

Setting:

A Warworld gladiator arena with a barrier over it to stop stray attacks or Goku flying to high. However it is high enough for Goku to fly around mostly unimpaired.

Edit: the fights battle ground is only the starting point, it can escalate beyond the arena if need be.

Mongul's Powers, weapons and Skills:

Super Strength: Mongul had physical strength greater than Superman (said to rival Darkseid); Superman was only able to beat him in a fight once, while Mongul himself overwhelmed Superman numerous times. Mongul has also beaten Hal Jordan, Supergirl & Martian Manhunter with just pure brute force and broke out of inertron; the hardest material in the universe with ease.

Super Durability: Proven tough enough to take heavy blows from uninhibited Kryptonians, Amazonian Demigoddesses, an artillery barrage from yellow lantern's and survive impalement from on a New God's blade

Super Speed, Stamina, Agility and Leaping are all on a level that lets him keep pace with Superman. He cannot fly however.

Regenerative Healing Factor: to an unknown degree, Mongul has shown to be capable of recovering from a great deal of physical trauma. Such as getting dragged upon the rough metallic surface of war world, being impaled on sword and seemingly much worse.

Heat Vision:
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Tactical Genius: Mongul was also a very intelligent and cunning foe capable of using the hatred, anger or underlying aggression and negative emotions of others to serve his purposes.

Psychological Mastery: Mongul is, was and forever will be a master manipulator of conscious and subconscious minds. Able to incorporate incredulous fear tactics in order to move a populated planets ruling powers, citizenry or even national armies to his advantage.

Expert Combatant: Mongul was also a superb combatant able to take on entire teams of heroes alone and still come out on top.

Amoral: Mongul has total lack of respect for life. He had little to no respect for other beings' lives and would do anything to accomplish his goals, even destroying entire worlds.

Chest Cannon Module: He usually has an armament affixed to his broad chest that can discharge destructive energy waves to which he can incinerate even the mightiest of adversaries.

We will not be including the Black Mercy or Yellow Power ring.

Who wins?
He gets oneshotted by SSGod Goku's universal punches.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Gog » Sat Feb 04, 2017 2:40 am

I issue thee a challenge like no other.

I would like to see Goku V Superman with actual proper proof backing why Goku beats Super man.

So I get to read something interesting of course. It would be even better if someone would argue in Super man's favour

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Feb 04, 2017 2:46 am

Gog wrote:I issue thee a challenge like no other.

I would like to see Goku V Superman with actual proper proof backing why Goku beats Super man.

So I get to read something interesting of course. It would be even better if someone would argue in Super man's favour
Depends on which version you're talking about, but most versions of Superman can get heavily damaged by Supernova-tier attacks, a lot of them would even die instantly.

SSGod Goku's universal punches are trillions upon trillions of times stronger than a Supernova, so Superman gets oneshotted.

(Does not apply to incredibly OP versions like Thought Robot)

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Gog » Sat Feb 04, 2017 2:47 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Gog wrote:I issue thee a challenge like no other.

I would like to see Goku V Superman with actual proper proof backing why Goku beats Super man.

So I get to read something interesting of course. It would be even better if someone would argue in Super man's favour
Depends on which version you're talking about, but most versions of Superman can get heavily damaged by Supernova-tier attacks, a lot of them would even die instantly.

SSGod Goku's universal punches are trillions upon trillions of times stronger than a Supernova, so Superman gets oneshotted.

(Does not apply to incredibly OP versions like Thought Robot)
No SSG Goku, or god Goku allowed, sorry for not specifying that

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Feb 04, 2017 2:54 am

Gog wrote: No SSG Goku, or god Goku allowed, sorry for not specifying that
SSJ2 Buu Arc Goku has destructive output surpassing a Supernova since he's stronger than Super Perfect Cell who was Supernova level, SSJ3 Goku is around ~5x Supernova level so he should be able to take out most versions of Superman as well.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Gog » Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:06 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Gog wrote: No SSG Goku, or god Goku allowed, sorry for not specifying that
SSJ2 Buu Arc Goku has destructive output surpassing a Supernova since he's stronger than Super Perfect Cell who was Supernova level, SSJ3 Goku is around ~5x Supernova level so he should be able to take out most versions of Superman as well.
Correction SS3 Goku is 4X stronger. Also Superman pre crises survived 50 of the damn things.

Actually I should have specified pre crises as well.

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Gog wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Gog wrote: No SSG Goku, or god Goku allowed, sorry for not specifying that
SSJ2 Buu Arc Goku has destructive output surpassing a Supernova since he's stronger than Super Perfect Cell who was Supernova level, SSJ3 Goku is around ~5x Supernova level so he should be able to take out most versions of Superman as well.
Correction SS3 Goku is 4X stronger. Also Superman pre crises survived 50 of the damn things.

Actually I should have specified pre crises as well.
He didn't survive the force of 50 Supernovas, he survived an explosion 50x the size of a Supernova. An explosion sends energy flying off in every direction so he wasn't hit by most of it.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Gog » Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:23 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Gog wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote: SSJ2 Buu Arc Goku has destructive output surpassing a Supernova since he's stronger than Super Perfect Cell who was Supernova level, SSJ3 Goku is around ~5x Supernova level so he should be able to take out most versions of Superman as well.
Correction SS3 Goku is 4X stronger. Also Superman pre crises survived 50 of the damn things.

Actually I should have specified pre crises as well.
He didn't survive the force of 50 Supernovas, he survived an explosion 50x the size of a Supernova. An explosion sends energy flying off in every direction so he wasn't hit by most of it.
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Actually, if it's fifty times the size of the kelper supernova, which implies that the supernova is fifty times the strength of that super nova. So I'm going to make an estimate and say that he was hit with about 6x or 5x the force of a super nova rather than the full brunt of fifty

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:07 am

Gog wrote: Actually, if it's fifty times the size of the kelper supernova, which implies that the supernova is fifty times the strength of that super nova. So I'm going to make an estimate and say that he was hit with about 6x or 5x the force of a super nova rather than the full brunt of fifty
Goku can't really win, then. Superman is capable of surviving his maximum destructive output.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Gog » Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:14 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Gog wrote: Actually, if it's fifty times the size of the kelper supernova, which implies that the supernova is fifty times the strength of that super nova. So I'm going to make an estimate and say that he was hit with about 6x or 5x the force of a super nova rather than the full brunt of fifty
Goku can't really win, then. Superman is capable of surviving his maximum destructive output.
So Goku loses to superman?

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Gog wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Gog wrote: Actually, if it's fifty times the size of the kelper supernova, which implies that the supernova is fifty times the strength of that super nova. So I'm going to make an estimate and say that he was hit with about 6x or 5x the force of a super nova rather than the full brunt of fifty
Goku can't really win, then. Superman is capable of surviving his maximum destructive output.
So Goku loses to superman?
Yeah.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Gog » Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:38 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Gog wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote: Goku can't really win, then. Superman is capable of surviving his maximum destructive output.
So Goku loses to superman?
Yeah.
So screwattack was right?

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Gog wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Gog wrote:
So Goku loses to superman?
Yeah.
So screwattack was right?
In the first one, not the second.

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Post by Gog » Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:43 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Gog wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote: Yeah.
So screwattack was right?
In the first one, not the second.
I don't even know what the hell they were smoking during the second one. But hey the fight was actually really good, even though it was wrong

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Post by Lord Frieza » Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:15 am

Gog wrote:I don't even know what the hell they were smoking during the second one.
The stuff that killed Dylan Thomas most likely.

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Lord Frieza wrote:
Gog wrote:I don't even know what the hell they were smoking during the second one.
The stuff that killed Dylan Thomas most likely.
In fact what they stated in the second video, literally went against Super Man's stated powers. he doesn't have infinite strength. It's potentially limitless

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Gog wrote:
Lord Frieza wrote:
Gog wrote:I don't even know what the hell they were smoking during the second one.
The stuff that killed Dylan Thomas most likely.
In fact what they stated in the second video, literally went against Super Man's stated powers. he doesn't have infinite strength. It's potentially limitless
Yeah, similer to the Hulk and his rage. Who incidentally was murdered by Supe's old play mate Doomsday.

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Lord Frieza wrote:
Gog wrote:
Lord Frieza wrote:
The stuff that killed Dylan Thomas most likely.
In fact what they stated in the second video, literally went against Super Man's stated powers. he doesn't have infinite strength. It's potentially limitless
Yeah, similer to the Hulk and his rage. Who incidentally was murdered by Supe's old play mate Doomsday.
And even then that's bullshit as the Hulk is stronger, faster, more durable, and has infinite regeneration and stamina.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Gog wrote:
Lord Frieza wrote:
Gog wrote:
In fact what they stated in the second video, literally went against Super Man's stated powers. he doesn't have infinite strength. It's potentially limitless
Yeah, similer to the Hulk and his rage. Who incidentally was murdered by Supe's old play mate Doomsday.
And even then that's bullshit as the Hulk is stronger, faster, more durable, and has infinite regeneration and stamina.
Hell useing Doomsday is never a good choice as his power have been inconsistent since his creation and they got his powers wrong (but then he has been nurfed for years).

First off, acording to Hunter/Prey, Doomsday also continually grows stronger. Like Saiyans and Black his body not only adapts his durability and immunity but also his strength. Doomsday should continually grow stronger when faced with strong foes and he dose not power down like the Hulk. In their first encounter Doomsday was only a little bit stronger then Superman but they neglected to point out that during their rematch Doomsday had grown so strong he broke this stronger Superman's arm with zero effert.

But the problem with that kind of power is that is broken when combined with superman level strength so he's been down played ever since.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Lord Frieza wrote:
Gog wrote:
Lord Frieza wrote:
Yeah, similer to the Hulk and his rage. Who incidentally was murdered by Supe's old play mate Doomsday.
And even then that's bullshit as the Hulk is stronger, faster, more durable, and has infinite regeneration and stamina.
Hell useing Doomsday is never a good choice as his power have been inconsistent since his creation and they got his powers wrong (but then he has been nurfed for years).

First off, acording to Hunter/Prey, Doomsday also continually grows stronger. Like Saiyans and Black his body not only adapts his durability and immunity but also his strength. Doomsday should continually grow stronger when faced with strong foes and he dose not power down like the Hulk. In their first encounter Doomsday was only a little bit stronger then Superman but they neglected to point out that during their rematch Doomsday had grown so strong he broke this stronger Superman's arm with zero effert.

But the problem with that kind of power is that is broken when combined with superman level strength so he's been down played ever since.
Yeah hunter prey doomsday is stronger than Vegetto. Also I have a new match up in mind, one that I was afraid of doing at first.

World war Hulk (capable of World breaker mode) V Vegetto (1 to 3)

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