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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by The gr » Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:59 am

Dragon Ball super manga suffers from a massive hype backslash http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Y ... nballsuper
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Gog » Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:15 pm

Another thing about the future Trunks manga arc that I didn't like. The amount of info dumps, my god there's just so much of them, that I'd wish they would stop. Also the pacing feels a bit too fast

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Post by Anime Kitten » Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:26 pm

Gog wrote:Also the pacing feels a bit too fast
That's something I never liked about the manga. For some reason, I don't feel this way with the anime, but the manga is insanely rushed and incredibly fast paced. I don't like the "get out of the boring story stuff and into the fights" mindset it has, at least earlier on.

The manga is still enjoyable, though. I just prefer the anime by a vast margin.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Gog » Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:27 pm

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Gog wrote:Also the pacing feels a bit too fast
That's something I never liked about the manga. For some reason, I don't feel this way with the anime, but the manga is insanely rushed and incredibly fast paced. I don't like the "get out of the boring story stuff and into the fights" mindset it has, at least earlier on.

The manga is still enjoyable, though. I just prefer the anime by a vast margin.
I'd dare say that it doesn't even feel natural, the amount of explaining they do, also how Bulma refereed to Freeza as Golden Freeza, just irks me to no end.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ekrolo2 » Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:42 pm

The anime staff are entertaining writers but not particularly good ones. Toyotaro is a good editor but a really, really mediocre story-teller. Toriyama.... needs to go the fuck away.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Gog » Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:54 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:The anime staff are entertaining writers but not particularly good ones. Toyotaro is a good editor but a really, really mediocre story-teller. Toriyama.... needs to go the fuck away.
Toriyama doesn't need to go the fuck away, he has to provide the plot outlines. Also I wish that the Anime Staff and Toyotaro fused together, to form the best storyteller

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Noah » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:01 pm

ekrolo2 wrote: Toriyama.... needs to go the fuck away.
Why?
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Gog » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:03 pm

Noah wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote: Toriyama.... needs to go the fuck away.
Why?
Because Toriyama is the natural prey of a wild Ekrolo2, he needs to go the fuck away so he can hunt him.

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Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:23 pm

Fans should stop asking the anime to pander to them in giving other characters more screentime, this is a Goku show and it should stay that way.
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Post by Gog » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:26 pm

Neo-Makaiōshin wrote:Fans should stop asking the anime to pander to them in giving other characters more screentime, this is a Goku show and it should stay that way.
Honestly I don't even understand the reason why some reason want other characters to become the main character. and replace him. Because I literally cannot imagine Goku not being the main character

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by The gr » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:31 pm

Gog wrote:
also how Bulma refereed to Freeza as Golden Freeza, just irks me to no end.
That is just nitpicking Gog
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Re: Unpopular DB oqpinions

Post by Kokonoe » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:31 pm

Gog wrote:
Neo-Makaiōshin wrote:Fans should stop asking the anime to pander to them in giving other characters more screentime, this is a Goku show and it should stay that way.
Honestly I don't even understand the reason why some reason want other characters to become the main character. and replace him. Because I literally cannot imagine Goku not being the main character
DBZ's story before the Buu saga was essentially building up Gohan to be that, so I don't see any issue with that per se. Although, after Buu saga essentially screwed all of that character progression and Cell Saga's finale, I wouldn't dream of asking for another character to replace Goku at this point.

Just not possible as they already missed their chance to do it properly.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ekrolo2 » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:35 pm

Noah wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote: Toriyama.... needs to go the fuck away.
Why?
The only good thing he's written after Namek is Battle of Gods and he hijacked that from another writer. F was on par with the Force Awakens in how much of a vacuous waste of potential it is. The U6 arc is so average it barely warrants mention and the Black arc just doesn't work by the end.

He's either too vague about what he wants to happen in the actual stories (Goku is ten times stronger than Vegeta, how does this happen? Fuck if I know!") can't make up his damn mind about how Goku and Vegeta's damn powers work (first he wants Base and Super Saiyan only, then he replaces SS with Blue, but then he decides he doesn't want Goku and Vegeta to be close to Beerus and retcons their abilities, also, Super Saiyan 1,2 and 3 are back again! SSGod too for the manga!) or limiting to the writers (Gohan constantly flip flopping between wanting to fight and not caring in the anime is a fine example of this).

He's also the one who's retconned Vegeta into being an annoying little shit about Goku being stronger than him AND he's the guy who's to blame for Goku being written as a total jackass in the new stuff.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Gog » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:35 pm

The gr wrote:
Gog wrote:
also how Bulma refereed to Freeza as Golden Freeza, just irks me to no end.
That is just nitpicking Gog
Complete nitpicking, I cannot argue against that, it just irks me, it's like referring to Goku as Blue Goku

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by The gr » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:40 pm

Gog wrote:
The gr wrote:
Gog wrote:
also how Bulma refereed to Freeza as Golden Freeza, just irks me to no end.
That is just nitpicking Gog
Complete nitpicking, I cannot argue against that, it just irks me, it's like referring to Goku as Blue Goku
I'm pretty sure frieza refers himself as golden frieza so Bulma call him like that
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Noah wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote: Toriyama.... needs to go the fuck away.
Why?
The only good thing he's written after Namek is Battle of Gods and he hijacked that from another writer. F was on par with the Force Awakens in how much of a vacuous waste of potential it is. The U6 arc is so average it barely warrants mention and the Black arc just doesn't work by the end.

He's either too vague about what he wants to happen in the actual stories (Goku is ten times stronger than Vegeta, how does this happen? Fuck if I know!") can't make up his damn mind about how Goku and Vegeta's damn powers work (first he wants Base and Super Saiyan only, then he replaces SS with Blue, but then he decides he doesn't want Goku and Vegeta to be close to Beerus and retcons their abilities, also, Super Saiyan 1,2 and 3 are back again! SSGod too for the manga!) or limiting to the writers (Gohan constantly flip flopping between wanting to fight and not caring in the anime is a fine example of this).

He's also the one who's retconned Vegeta into being an annoying little shit about Goku being stronger than him AND he's the guy who's to blame for Goku being written as a total jackass in the new stuff.
So is toriyama fault for fucking up the DBS anime and manga for his vague outline I just wish toriyama wrote his damn manga like toyble is the artist, meanwhile toriyama is the writer
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Gog » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:42 pm

The gr wrote:
Gog wrote:
The gr wrote: That is just nitpicking Gog
Complete nitpicking, I cannot argue against that, it just irks me, it's like referring to Goku as Blue Goku
I'm pretty sure frieza refers himself as golden frieza so Bulma call him like that
Golden Freeza refers that as a title, but he is still Freeza, it also just sounds odd.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ekrolo2 » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:43 pm

The gr wrote:So is toriyama fault for fucking up the DBS anime and manga for his vague outline I just wish toriyama wrote his damn manga like toyble is the artist, meanwhile toriyama is the writer
The only way I'd let him write anything is he had another, competent writer to bounce off of and an editor to reign him in, cause he cannot work on his own anymore, he can't. The way how he flip flops around how his own protagonists abilities work is a good example of this. FFS, I wouldn't be surprised if Toriyama woke up one day, saw his drawing of SS4 Goku on a GT box set in his house or something then decided "This looks cool! Let's put it in!"

The screams of Alderan explodings/dying wouldn't compare to the collective, soul-crushing groan of the Super anime staff & Toyotaro.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Gog » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:45 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
The gr wrote:So is toriyama fault for fucking up the DBS anime and manga for his vague outline I just wish toriyama wrote his damn manga like toyble is the artist, meanwhile toriyama is the writer
The only way I'd let him write anything is he had another, competent writer to bounce off of and an editor to reign him in, cause he cannot work on his own anymore, he can't.
Ekrolo2 have you not forgotten what the editors did to the Cell Arc?

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ekrolo2 » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:46 pm

Gog wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:
The gr wrote:So is toriyama fault for fucking up the DBS anime and manga for his vague outline I just wish toriyama wrote his damn manga like toyble is the artist, meanwhile toriyama is the writer
The only way I'd let him write anything is he had another, competent writer to bounce off of and an editor to reign him in, cause he cannot work on his own anymore, he can't.
Ekrolo2 have you not forgotten what the editors did to the Cell Arc?
Not all editors are created equal, Toriyama worked fine with them beforehand and it can get done again. As long as the editor gives input like "Uh boss, you bringing back the golden line of Super Saiyan is fucking stupid, don't do that." and not "This Hit guy looks boring, give him a transformation!".
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