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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by ArchedThunder » Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:53 pm

Sodhi wrote:
ArchedThunder wrote: I don't think he's necessarily fast, the gap between his episodes is usually relatively large for Super, I think he was promoted because of the quality of his work.
I think he was promoted because of his work too. I just think he will be pretty good as a helper to Nagamine Tatsuya.
Having two directors could be a really good thing, I'm honestly not too sure Chioka was actually present for most of the Champa arc or if Morio has been present during the filler. With these two splitting their work they could potentially help get things rolling better and we could potentially see episodes from each of them semi regularly. At the very least I think Nakamura will still be in charge of episodes in his normal consistency because of episode 75.
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If Morio had been replaced by Kohei then I'd be in agreement, but the uniqueness of the situation makes me not want to jump to any conclusions. Kohei was series director for 10 weeks while Morio was credited alongside him, but this wasn't a passing off of the role like people thought. The sudden change from Kohei + Morio to Nagamine + Nakamura makes me think it's entirely possible that this is something that could have been planned for awhile. It's an incredibly intriguing turn of events that can't be easily explained based on Super's past because it is very different from the passing from Chioka to Morio.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Alee9977 » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:15 pm

ArchedThunder wrote: Or they were brought in specifically to improve things. Seriously, these reactions are ridiculous. The fact that Morio was not replaced by Kohei is a pretty big detail that could mean a lot. We don't know what's going on right now and people won't even wait until some episodes actually air before jumping to conclusions.
You really are optimistic, It is good that we have someone like you around here, but seriously, there aren't any real proofs that show how this is improving, the only proofs we have here is that 2 SD are leaving without a reason specified, something that happened before and we reached to the conclusion that it was because of bad scheduling, and it made sense, the same situation is happening here and now two new SD arrived, what makes you think that they aren't going to leave in the future? Or what makes you think that these two will make everything better when the last SD wasn't able to do it after Chioka left? You are only assuming and hoping that it will be better this time just because we had 10 episodes of filler and the supervisors didn't do a lot of work in them.
Remember this is a BIG arc, with more than 120 new characters and every episode has to be 100% action, and Super isn't ready for this, we will have something like U6 tournament if nothing collapses before the arc ends, this is really big.
Super can barely do 2 full action episodes in a row, and after that we get episodes with horrible art or almost any animation.

I don't take this as a fact and assume this arc will be the end of Super, but we have to be ready for anything.
For this arc, I hope for the best, but I'm prepared for the worst.
If I'm wrong, I will be the first to admit it, but I don't think that will happen, not with Super's problems.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by ArchedThunder » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:33 pm

Alee9977 wrote: You really are optimistic, It is good that we have someone like you around here, but seriously, there aren't any real proofs that show how this is improving, the only proofs we have here is that 2 SD are leaving without a reason specified, something that happened before and we reached to the conclusion that it was because of bad scheduling, and it made sense, the same situation is happening here and now two new SD arrived, what makes you think that they aren't going to leave in the future? Or what makes you think that these two will make everything better when the last SD wasn't able to do it after Chioka left? You are only assuming and hoping that it will be better this time just because we had 10 episodes of filler and the supervisors didn't do a lot of work in them.
Remember this is a BIG arc, with more than 120 new characters and every episode has to be 100% action, and Super isn't ready for this, we will have something like U6 tournament if nothing collapses before the arc ends, this is really big.
Super can barely do 2 full action episodes in a row, and after that we get episodes with horrible art or almost any animation.

I don't take this as a fact and assume this arc will be the end of Super, but we have to be ready for anything.
For this arc, I hope for the best, but I'm prepared for the worst.
If I'm wrong, I will be the first to admit it, but I don't think that will happen, not with Super's problems.
Again, it's a false equivalence to compare this situation to Morio taking over for Chioka, in that situation they were credited together for awhile before Morio became the sole director. In this case we had Kohei be credited alongside Morio, but just as I expected his promotion was temporary to lead the filler. I had assumed that it was so Morio could focus on the next arc, but instead it seems it was so Nagamine and Nakamura could focus on the next arc. Nagamine's last anime episode he worked on released in November, which means he could have potentially begun his preliminary work for Super as early as late August, we don't know when he was actually brought on but it could have been potentially earlier than Morio ever could have started work on the next arc, so this new director switch could be for the explicit purpose of improving things.
It also isn't just because we had 10 weeks of filler and some of the supervisors' work was lighter than usual, the episodes were very conservative, there was a lot of outsourcing going on and the non-studio outsourced stuff was mainly Super's core staff and then on top of all of that we had Tomioka not write any of the first 8 episodes of the filler and of course Kohei's temporary promotion. I also doubt Kohei is actually leaving, he'll probably just return to his normal role as it's very clear his time as series director was for a specific purpose and not for him to take over completely.
This situation and the past 10 weeks have been so different from anything in Super's history that you can not use Super's past to make assumptions about what's going on.
I am optimistic about this arc, but don't confuse that for me saying that this arc will definitely be a large improvement over the last one, I don't think anyone should be jumping to any conclusions right now because this situation is very different and could mean many different things, good and bad, we just need to wait, probably a few weeks even, to see how things play out. If there is an improvement to the production we might not even see it until the tournament starts, depending on how they planned things out.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Lujin_16 » Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:35 pm

The Future Trunks Arc has had 2-3 filler episodes before it started i have seen only OK,GOOD or GREAT animation but not bad animation now we had
8-9 filler episodes and people losing their minds because of directors???

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by A Man named RJ » Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:42 pm

ArchedThunder wrote: Again, it's a false equivalence to compare this situation to Morio taking over for Chioka, in that situation they were credited together for awhile before Morio became the sole director. In this case we had Kohei be credited alongside Morio, but just as I expected his promotion was temporary to lead the filler. I had assumed that it was so Morio could focus on the next arc, but instead it seems it was so Nagamine and Nakamura could focus on the next arc. Nagamine's last anime episode he worked on released in November, which means he could have potentially begun his preliminary work for Super as early as late August, we don't know when he was actually brought on but it could have been potentially earlier than Morio ever could have started work on the next arc, so this new director switch could be for the explicit purpose of improving things.
It also isn't just because we had 10 weeks of filler and some of the supervisors' work was lighter than usual, the episodes were very conservative, there was a lot of outsourcing going on and the non-studio outsourced stuff was mainly Super's core staff and then on top of all of that we had Tomioka not write any of the first 8 episodes of the filler and of course Kohei's temporary promotion. I also doubt Kohei is actually leaving, he'll probably just return to his normal role as it's very clear his time as series director was for a specific purpose and not for him to take over completely.
This situation and the past 10 weeks have been so different from anything in Super's history that you can not use Super's past to make assumptions about what's going on.
I am optimistic about this arc, but don't confuse that for me saying that this arc will definitely be a large improvement over the last one, I don't think anyone should be jumping to any conclusions right now because this situation is very different and could mean many different things, good and bad, we just need to wait, probably a few weeks even, to see how things play out. If there is an improvement to the production we might not even see it until the tournament starts, depending on how they planned things out.
I am really wishing for the best with this one. Who knows, it IS entirely possible that the next 2-3 episodes will be conservative giving super the entire cour of downtime it needed before getting back into heavy action.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by ArchedThunder » Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:45 pm

A Man named RJ wrote: I am really wishing for the best with this one. Who knows, it IS entirely possible that the next 2-3 episodes will be conservative giving super the entire cour of downtime it needed before getting back into heavy action.
Wish for the best, be prepared for the worst, that's how I've been for like 2 months now.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:49 pm

Lujin_16 wrote:The Future Trunks Arc has had 2-3 filler episodes before it started i have seen only OK,GOOD or GREAT animation but not bad animation now we had
8-9 filler episodes and people losing their minds because of directors???
There was actually five episodes of filler before the Future Trunks arc began.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Ajay » Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:58 pm

Lujin_16 wrote:The Future Trunks Arc has had 2-3 filler episodes before it started i have seen only OK,GOOD or GREAT animation but not bad animation now we had
8-9 filler episodes and people losing their minds because of directors???
Again, the outbursts are not to do with any expectation of animation quality, they're just an expression of frustration about the ridiculous production that Super has. It's one hell of a crazy ride! As passionate fans, that can be incredibly frustrating.

The presence of these directors could be good, it could be bad - it's an entirely separate issue to what folks were reacting to, though. I feel like that point was missed pretty heavily. The frustration stems from yet more series directors bouncing around Super. It's not normal and that's frustrating on the most basic level. While I'm sure the negativity has been frustrating for some, I don't think those on the other side have particularly enjoyed being vilified for a perfectly reasonable reaction based on something clashing against the very fundamentals of anime production.

To be very clear about my personal feelings: Yes, the rotations are depressingly hilarious, but I'm actually incredibly optimistic about this arc. I've said that many times over the past few weeks; that didn't suddenly change because I decided to express frustrations about yet more staff changes. I love both of the new appointed directors and wish them the best. I think the treatment of the filler arc was very competently done, and if this tournament has a slow build-up and some cutaways while other universes fight, it has the potential to deliver some very solid episodes where it really counts.

With that cleared up, we're a little over an hour away from a new chapter in Dragon Ball Super. That's exciting! I cannot wait to see this new intro animation in full.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:08 pm

Just saw the new OP and it's absolutely fucking spectacular. It did seem to have a quite heavy touch up from Yamamuro.

EDIT: Hit also seemed absent from it.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:13 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:Just saw the new OP it's absolutely fucking spectacular. It did seem to have a quite heavy touch up from Yamamuro.
The SSGSS Goku bit was beautiful!! Man can't wait for the HD!

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:30 pm

It seems as though from the NEP that this new colour palette and filter(?) are here to stay.

Overall, this was a nice looking episode, and as I've said before, the new OP is just great.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by ArchedThunder » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:31 pm

Pretty typical Yashima episode, but was pretty solid.
Shit tons of Ide corrections but Yashima was still visible in quite a bit of the episode, some of his art seemed pretty polished too. Filter looked a lot better than the NEP.
Also were there new sound effects for the combat?
Nep art looks good, doesn't look like Kitano.
Opening is great, saw Shida in there! It's entirely focused on this arc so I'm guessing this one's gonna last a long time.
Updated ED is cute.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Sodhi » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:33 pm

That opening felt erally good. The ending got a really nice touch too. Episode was polished, next week looks to be decent too. So far so good.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:34 pm

ArchedThunder wrote:Pretty typical Yashima episode, but was pretty solid.
Shit tons of Ide corrections but Yashima was still visible in quite a bit of the episode, some of his art seemed pretty polished too. Filter looked a lot better than the NEP.
Also were there new sound effects for the combat?
Nep art looks good, doesn't look like Kitano.
Opening is great, saw Shida in there! It's entirely focused on this arc so I'm guessing this one's gonna last a long time.
Updated ED is cute.
You must have eyes like a hawk, because I didn't spot Shida in there. I probably will when I watch the OP again in better quality.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by kinisking » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:35 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
ArchedThunder wrote:Pretty typical Yashima episode, but was pretty solid.
Shit tons of Ide corrections but Yashima was still visible in quite a bit of the episode, some of his art seemed pretty polished too. Filter looked a lot better than the NEP.
Also were there new sound effects for the combat?
Nep art looks good, doesn't look like Kitano.
Opening is great, saw Shida in there! It's entirely focused on this arc so I'm guessing this one's gonna last a long time.
Updated ED is cute.
You must have eyes like a hawk, because I didn't spot Shida in there. I probably will when I watch the OP again in better quality.
I spotted shida too but it was hard to tell because of the lag and blurry quality that my stream had.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Psykomatik » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:35 pm

I believe Shida did the final cut of the OP.
And i believe there's Yamamuro in next week ep (the cut with all God of Destructions and Kaio Shins reminds me of him).

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by ArchedThunder » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:36 pm

Lord Beerus wrote: You must have eyes like a hawk, because I didn't spot Shida in there. I probably will when I watch the OP again in better quality.
There's a fight scene near the end I think that was definitely Shida, kinda reminiscent of his work on Battle of Gods.
Oh hey, Yashima didn't solo animate this, Sato Tomoko pitched in
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Ajay » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:37 pm

Episode 77

Animation Supervisor
Yashima Yoshitaka

Key Animator
Yashima Yoshitaka Sato Tomoko

2nd Key Animators
Yokoyama Miyuki Tsukino Mua Sugawara Rieko Sato Tomoko Suzuki Kai A-Line TAP

Our most polished Yashima episode since #3. Very heavily corrected by Takeo Ide and Yokoyama (among others), as we suspected. No real complaints. The filter remains, but appears to be marginally toned down like the Fuji preview, so that's good.

That OP was very good. Initial impressions of the first few scenes weren't positive, but the rest was fine. Good to see Shida popping up! Interestingly, some of the cuts from the preview were cut short, so I'm glad we got the full caps of those.

The ED was updated as Ishitani indicated on Twitter earlier. It's actually animated now! I wonder if they simply had no time before, or whether this was a calculated move. Either way, it's great now, and I actually really like it.

Good to see our preview showcased episodes 1 and 2. Nice to know things are going smoothly there. Not that it really says much since the beginning of arcs are always like that, but still. Better than nothing!

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Animation supervisor
Yamamuro Tadayoshi

Key animator
Otsuka Ken Shida Naotoshi Takahashi Yuya Inaba Jin Nii Hirotaka Yamada Masashi (2) Kawasaki Rena Sugie Toshiharu Obata Ken Ichino Maria Nakajou Kumi Sawaki Noborisa Tate Naoki Shimanuki Masahiro Manabe Shuuichiro Mura Shuntaro Kinoshita Yui

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by Psykomatik » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:39 pm

Wow, Koudai Watanabe was in the ED, according to Animators Corner: http://animatorscorner.com/animation_pr ... other-1070

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 76

Post by ArchedThunder » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:39 pm

Watanabe Koudai did animation for the ED, holy shit.
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