"Dragon Ball Super" Bang Zoom Dub Official Discussion Thread

[ProjectAlpha22]

So, real quick, can we talk about how fucking GOOD the Narrator got? He isn't Hebert good yet, but I'll be damned if he isn't getting there. You gotta remember, I hated, HATED this guy, but his performance in 5 specifically (6 was a step down) gave me goosebumps. Props. Also, since I was sick watching 5 the first time, I only jumped in a little bit with no notes. I will say however, that his Kenshiro impression for Goku didn't work, at all, and he held back. I do want to say however, Lex Lang does a hella good Kenshiro and I think although I've mentioned it in the past, if you want to hear Lex in a role I can't help but gush over, go watch that FOTN dub. That thing is solely why I wanted to check THIS dub out in the first place. While I'm at it, I may as well, while I am bashing the shit out of him most of the time, line up my love for him to show I have my reasons for my dissapointment. First off, this fucker has two Emmys. Yeah, that's right, two. He deserves them, he does great performances mostly. Second of all, he was the GOD DAMN BATMAN, and did the Christian Bale voice before Christian Bale. Third off, I'm a huuuuuuuuge Crash fan, and he is Neo Cortex. Fourth off, he's Kenshiro, which in itself is an achievement. Overall, as you can tell, I LOVE Lex, but his voice for this show was very, very miscast, and I am dissapointed the way he took our criticism. I'd offer to buy you a beer, Lex, but I'm not 21 as of yet. Know that in a few years though, after this is all over, that that offer will still stand, and if you ever are in town at a con, I'll come find ya and offer in person. Sorry about the wall of text, I just felt, now that this has all calmed down a bit, I could get away with giving some context to my repeated statement of "you can do better". I know he can, we've all heard it before. I may even make a video using his other screams over Episode 5 to make a point. Who would be interested in that, I think it would be pretty fun to make.

[linkdude20002001]

Isn't the fact that he sounds like Hebert the reason everyone hates the narrator? Most people seem to like-wise hate Hebert's narration, and wanted someone like Armstrong or Morgan.

[ProjectAlpha22]

Isn't the fact that he sounds like Hebert the reason everyone hates the narrator? Most people seem to like-wise hate Hebert's narration, and wanted someone like Armstrong or Morgan.

I thought he sounded like Eric Vale as Trunks doing a voice-over in episodes 1-4. As for your Hebert comment, I believe you are correct, so I'm one of the minority who think it fits then by that logic.

[ButtfaceKalinski]

I hope Lex is still around because there's a few things I'd like to say to him.

First of all, I think he's doing a good job and I'm a bit puzzled about complaints about his voice being too deep. The register seems totally appropriate for the character and the physicality of the character. I'm sure as with every single other dub that's come before, given time opinions will change on the matter. I remember when people complained about Corlett, then Kelamis, then Schemmel, and they're thought of pretty fondly now.

Secondly, I'm not sure how much the producers told you when you got the part, but for your own sake, if at all possible book your sessions as if it's one of those video games where you have to pretend to die gruesomely for hours on end. Try and get it on a Friday. Assuming this show is like the others, a significant amount of your work is going to be these horrific, prolonged screams. Goku is a horrible role for a working actor to play. One of your predecessors couldn't talk for 3 days after a particular episode, which impacted on his other work. He made sure in no uncertain terms that his agent got the message never to put him in that position again. And I'm not sure what the contracts are like, but if you get paid per line and there's a definition of how many words a line is, see if you can get an exemption for the screaming. It sucks ass to ruin your voice to make a minimum session fee.

And on the subject of screams... ADR is such a weird, Kafkaesque process, things rarely get contextualised for you unless your read doesn't gel. In the case of these shows, the screaming is one of the most counterintuitive and confusing parts of it. You get a script that says you scream, so you scream. But they're actually almost always part of a wider context in an episode. Like, your character screams once, then again a few minutes later, and then again. Looking at the script those are all going to ask the same of you as an actor. But quite often, each one is going to have its own significance as part of the visual storytelling.

It took me way too long to figure this out on a similarly demanding video game, but understanding that context can help you give "structure" to your insane screaming, and when you know where the peak is, you know where you can ease off a little on your throat and save yourself some pain.

ADR is such a thankless task, man. Requires more skill for less pay, and doing it quickly relies a lot on an intuition about language and context which gets its ass kicked by a script from a different language and culture that you only see part of. Even at the best of times, you can knock it out of the park but still be at the mercy of the mix. At the end of that assault course, if there's any problem with any of those things along the way, it all ends up being your fault somehow. I hope you don't let it get to you.

[ProjectAlpha22]

I hope Lex is still around because there's a few things I'd like to say to him.

First of all, I think he's doing a good job and I'm a bit puzzled about complaints about his voice being too deep. The register seems totally appropriate for the character and the physicality of the character. I'm sure as with every single other dub that's come before, given time opinions will change on the matter. I remember when people complained about Corlett, then Kelamis, then Schemmel, and they're thought of pretty fondly now.

Secondly, I'm not sure how much the producers told you when you got the part, but for your own sake, if at all possible book your sessions as if it's one of those video games where you have to pretend to die gruesomely for hours on end. Try and get it on a Friday. Assuming this show is like the others, a significant amount of your work is going to be these horrific, prolonged screams. Goku is a horrible role for a working actor to play. One of your predecessors couldn't talk for 3 days after a particular episode, which impacted on his other work. He made sure in no uncertain terms that his agent got the message never to put him in that position again. And I'm not sure what the contracts are like, but if you get paid per line and there's a definition of how many words a line is, see if you can get an exemption for the screaming. It sucks ass to ruin your voice to make a minimum session fee.

And on the subject of screams... ADR is such a weird, Kafkaesque process, things rarely get contextualised for you unless your read doesn't gel. In the case of these shows, the screaming is one of the most counterintuitive and confusing parts of it. You get a script that says you scream, so you scream. But they're actually almost always part of a wider context in an episode. Like, your character screams once, then again a few minutes later, and then again. Looking at the script those are all going to ask the same of you as an actor. But quite often, each one is going to have its own significance as part of the visual storytelling.

It took me way too long to figure this out on a similarly demanding video game, but understanding that context can help you give "structure" to your insane screaming, and when you know where the peak is, you know where you can ease off a little on your throat and save yourself some pain.

ADR is such a thankless task, man. Requires more skill for less pay, and doing it quickly relies a lot on an intuition about language and context which gets its ass kicked by a script from a different language and culture that you only see part of. Even at the best of times, you can knock it out of the park but still be at the mercy of the mix. At the end of that assault course, if there's any problem with any of those things along the way, it all ends up being your fault somehow. I hope you don't let it get to you.

These are all completely fair points, and it should go without saying that our opinions are in fact just that, opinions. As somebody who, while not professionally, has done one of those balls-to-the-wall yell sessions for a dub (I was cast in a large Fire Emblem fandub as a Barbaric character named Bartre who yells in response to everything), I know I couldn't talk almost at all for the next 2 days without major pain. Glad to see a professional lend some background to us, I don't know who you are but you have my respect.

[TheBlackPaladin]

And I'm not sure what the contracts are like, but if you get paid per line and there's a definition of how many words a line is, see if you can get an exemption for the screaming. It sucks ass to ruin your voice to make a minimum session fee.

Whoever you are, you know your stuff. Everything you said in your last post is completely, 100% true.

I quote this section, though, because it gives me a hint. I'm guessing you're Canadian? I say that because, as I understand it, ACTRA (the Canadian union) rules are such that for ADR, actors get paid per line, like you said. Conversely, with SAG-AFTRA (the US union) and most non-union dubs in the US (like this dub, which is non-union), actors get paid according to how many hours they're in the studio, not according to how many lines they have.

Just a guess, of course, I could be wrong. Either way, that was a very well-written post!

[8000 Saiyan]

Even if Lang is disappointing me as Goku, I think he will succeed as Black Goku.

[Lord Beerus]

Even if Lang is disappointing me as Goku, I think he will succeed as Black Goku.

I'm actually quite intrigued to see how he performs as Goku Black. I kinda hoping he uses a completely different tone for the character.

[linkdude20002001]

I thought he sounded like Eric Vale as Trunks doing a voice-over in episodes 1-4. As for your Hebert comment, I believe you are correct, so I'm one of the minority who think it fits then by that logic.

Voice-wise, yeah, he sounded like Vale's Trunks in Kai, but it sounded like Trunks trying to a Hebert-style narrator. And considering that they cast for this dub to sound like FUNi's DBZ, it makes sense that that's what they were going for. I wish they could've gotten the same guy who narrated in the Harmony Gold dub. That would've been cool for consistency's sake.

[hulkedoutdude]

Mr.Lang has naturally deep voice and he is trying to sound little soft spoken like gohan and also goofy at the same time, I think that is holding him back from screaming his all out when it comes to fight sequences!!! Since he is going for manly tone anyway,Similar to tone of his portrayal of flashy flash (one punch man) with right amount of goofiness could work wonders...
And talking about goku black, there couldn't be anyone better who could do better than lang I mean look at some villains he has voiced ...

[ConfusedPhantom]

Is it ok to recommend medicine here? It's pretty safe to use, though I recommend talking with your pharmacist about it and maybe some of your peers that use it. I know there was talk of Fred Tatascoire using Nin Jiom Pei Pa Koa to help soothe his throat for any Hulk sessions. And I know a few of amateur voice actors that scream use it, as well. Obviously, you'll need a few days to rest your voice, but it actually does help. You can order it at Amazon or a local Asian market.

[8000 Saiyan]

Even if Lang is disappointing me as Goku, I think he will succeed as Black Goku.

I'm actually quite intrigued to see how he performs as Goku Black. I kinda hoping he uses a completely different tone for the character.

I don't see why he wouldn't.

Right now, I have this feeling that Barbara Goodson is going to play Freeza in this dub.

[hulkedoutdude]

Episode 7 of dragon ball super is out btw!!!

[hulkedoutdude]

Today we got to hear extended performance of piccolo and ray chase is damn good! Even tien sounds pretty good too... Kaiji tang's my bulma screen was awesome, no complaints this episode at all!!!

[TheAldella]

In episode 7
Kaiji Tang's Vegeta had a seizure and it was hilarious
but I dig it.
Demita's Beerus was really intense and it was fun.
Tien was pretty much just Funimation
Grant George Yamcha was irony.
Gotenks was...eh. Better than Funimation.
I like Videl.
I like Piccolo a lot in this dub.
MICHELLE RUFF DENDE IS SO WEIRD.
Everybody else was forgettable.

[ButtfaceKalinski]

The effects chain they're using specifically for the power up yells completely robs them of vocal presence and makes it sound like they're on the other side of the room from the mic. I wonder if that's what the broadcast sounds like or if they're using different 5.1 channels and there's some software problem converting to 2.0.

[hulkedoutdude]

The effects chain they're using specifically for the power up yells completely robs them of vocal presence and makes it sound like they're on the other side of the room from the mic. I wonder if that's what the broadcast sounds like or if they're using different 5.1 channels and there's some software problem converting to 2.0.

Funimation powerup screams comes with free echo effects most of the time lol!! I don't see much problem in that regard..

[NitroEX]

Their best one yet, I'd say.

Ray Chase's Piccolo vastly improved compared to his last appearance, he sounds far more natural now, although his fighting grunts still aren't anything special. His style of delivery still retains some Sabat-isms but his speaking voice sounds cooler than Sabat's so it's an improvement overall. It's sort of reminiscent of his Arbiter voice, which was one of my wishes, so I actually prefer it. I guess this isn't the first time a knock off Sabat Piccolo does it better than the man himself (Lanipator being the other).

Kaiji Tang did a superb job as Vegeta this episode. The voice and delivery has really come into it's own and I can no longer detect Sabat's influence on his take. I was surprised by how good the "My Bulma!" scene sounded, it was undoubtedly a tough scene to dub but he did well. The only real pet peeve I still have with him is the whispery tone that he often speaks in, although I'm willing to accept it if it means keeping his portrayal unique.

Everyone else sounded pretty great. I think the moment with Krillin and Yamcha could've been scripted a little better though, seemed like a good opportunity to be less literal and more comedic.

The narrator kinda reminds me of the narrator from the Blue Water's DB & GT dubs (Steve Olson).

[hulkedoutdude]

More importantly what do you guys think of beerus voice now??
For serious episodes like this one I think archie's voice really really works well, i pretty much like his take now! Some dialogs are pretty stiff i can say but overall after listening beerus for this many episodes I feel like this is a pretty good and different take which actually works(well at least for me)!!

[Gafonso6]

More importantly what do you guys think of beerus voice now??
For serious episodes like this one I think archie's voice really really works well, i pretty much like his take now! Some dialogs are pretty stiff i can say but overall after listening beerus for this many episodes I feel like this is a pretty good and different take which actually works(well at least for me)!!

It's ok, definetily better than before. He used toremind of a voice from the Speedy dub but he's a lot better now, however there are some dub voices for Beerus (not just english) that are a lot better than him.