The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[The gr]

Manga goku black ssj2 in chapter 20 vs base goku black in the anime

Base Goku black whips him seductively, and defeats him easily

I'm not sure base black would defeat manga goku black ssj2 easily I mean he rape ssgss Vegeta

[Gog]

Manga goku black ssj2 in chapter 20 vs base goku black in the anime

Base Goku black whips him seductively, and defeats him easily

I'm not sure base black would defeat manga goku black ssj2 easily I mean he rape ssgss Vegeta

Goku black base, did it with only a sword

[The gr]

Base Goku black whips him seductively, and defeats him easily

I'm not sure base black would defeat manga goku black ssj2 easily I mean he rape ssgss Vegeta

Goku black base, did it with only a sword

But manga goku black did it with his own hands

[Gog]

I'm not sure base black would defeat manga goku black ssj2 easily I mean he rape ssgss Vegeta

Goku black base, did it with only a sword

But manga goku black did it with his own hands

Base goku black in the anime is too classy to use his hands

[The gr]

Goku black base, did it with only a sword

But manga goku black did it with his own hands

Base goku black in the anime is too classy to use his hands

Hmm thats a legit point I imagine both of them fighting and drinking tea now that will be legit

[dragon boss z]

I wouldn't be so sure, SSJ Vegeta was unable to even budge Magetta's leg when he tried lifting him, you don't even need to lift half of someone's weight to get their foot off the ground, so this means SSJ Vegeta's lifting strength is less than half of Magetta's weight, and Magetta is stated to be 1,000+ tons, so this means SSJ Vegeta is <500 tons in lifting strength, thus his base is <10 tons, I'd say around 6 since he literally had no effect on Magetta.

At the beginning of DB, Goku easily lifts Bulma's 1 ton car overhead from an unfavorable position and throws it, there's approximately a ~2.5x gap between the weight you can lift overhead and the weight you can lift off the ground, so this means Kid Goku's lifting strength is 2.5-3 tons at least, so he's already around half of Super!Vegeta's strength. He then powers up considerably after training with Roshi and is able top push a massive several dozen ton boulder, so Kid Goku > Vegeta (Super) in strength.

ssj doesn't seem to make their lifting strength go up by 50x. Base Goku in the Buu saga reached his limit at around 40 tons in base, so Vegeta should be around their too. Ssj Goku was playing with 40 tons like nothing, so logically Vegeta could to. So if base Goku trained with 8 tons and 40 tons was his limit, (a 5x difference), then if ssj Goku trains with 40 tons his limit would be around 200 tons. Which lines up with ssj Vegeta not being able to lift Magetta.

But it's stated that super saiyan makes you fifty times better

Actually it never says that in the manga or the daizenshuu. It only says that in the super exciting guide, which also said ssj2 is 2x stronger than ssj, but ssj2 Gohan at half power was still stronger than he was as a ssj, though you could argue that's because Gohan got a rage boost with his ssj2 boost.
Also it probably just means his ki is 50x bigger. It doesn't mean his muscles are 50x stronger.

[dragon boss z]

I'm not sure base black would defeat manga goku black ssj2 easily I mean he rape ssgss Vegeta

Goku black base, did it with only a sword

But manga goku black did it with his own hands

Wait a second. Base Black never beat SSB Vegeta in the anime. He was SSR when he injured Vegeta with that energy blade.

[Gog]

ssj doesn't seem to make their lifting strength go up by 50x. Base Goku in the Buu saga reached his limit at around 40 tons in base, so Vegeta should be around their too. Ssj Goku was playing with 40 tons like nothing, so logically Vegeta could to. So if base Goku trained with 8 tons and 40 tons was his limit, (a 5x difference), then if ssj Goku trains with 40 tons his limit would be around 200 tons. Which lines up with ssj Vegeta not being able to lift Magetta.

But it's stated that super saiyan makes you fifty times better

Actually it never says that in the manga or the daizenshuu. It only says that in the super exciting guide, which also said ssj2 is 2x stronger than ssj, but ssj2 Gohan at half power was still stronger than he was as a ssj, though you could argue that's because Gohan got a rage boost with his ssj2 boost.
Also it probably just means his ki is 50x bigger. It doesn't mean his muscles are 50x stronger.

Except Ki is strength

[dragon boss z]

But it's stated that super saiyan makes you fifty times better

Actually it never says that in the manga or the daizenshuu. It only says that in the super exciting guide, which also said ssj2 is 2x stronger than ssj, but ssj2 Gohan at half power was still stronger than he was as a ssj, though you could argue that's because Gohan got a rage boost with his ssj2 boost.
Also it probably just means his ki is 50x bigger. It doesn't mean his muscles are 50x stronger.

Except Ki is strength

No, ki is power. Physical strength comes from their muscles. This is the only logical explanation f why Goku couldn't lift 40 tons in base. In base he was still planet level. Are you telling me his planet level ki couldn't' lift 40 tons?

[Gog]

Actually it never says that in the manga or the daizenshuu. It only says that in the super exciting guide, which also said ssj2 is 2x stronger than ssj, but ssj2 Gohan at half power was still stronger than he was as a ssj, though you could argue that's because Gohan got a rage boost with his ssj2 boost.
Also it probably just means his ki is 50x bigger. It doesn't mean his muscles are 50x stronger.

Except Ki is strength

No, ki is power. Physical strength comes from their muscles. This is the only logical explanation f why Goku couldn't lift 40 tons in base. In base he was still planet level. Are you telling me his planet level ki couldn't' lift 40 tons?

And power is physical strength, there's two explanations for why Goku couldn't lift forty tons in base, he was doing a flying technique, and Toriyama forgot

[TheUltimateNinja]

SSBlue Kaioken x10 Oozaru Kid Goku vs Perfect Cell

[dragon boss z]

Except Ki is strength

No, ki is power. Physical strength comes from their muscles. This is the only logical explanation f why Goku couldn't lift 40 tons in base. In base he was still planet level. Are you telling me his planet level ki couldn't' lift 40 tons?

And power is physical strength, there's two explanations for why Goku couldn't lift forty tons in base, he was doing a flying technique, and Toriyama forgot

Yes I agree those reasons had something to do with it, but dragonball characters always hit weaker than their ki blasts. Nobody before Beerus had planet level strikes, but they had planet level ki blasts since the Frieza saga.

[Ki Breaker]

SSBlue Kaioken x10 Oozaru Kid Goku vs Perfect Cell

Goku wins, the SSB boost is astronomically higher that on top of oozaru an kaioken 10 is over kill

[RehBeh]

Boo SSGSS Goku Absorbed VS. Commeson-Copy Vegeta.

Copy vegeta wins because I don't think Buu could sustain god ki well enough (see what happens with fat kaioshin), let alone such an absurd amount of god ki.

Hit VS. Professor Zoom. Who's making the doughnuts?

Prof Zoom probably drops hit in some alternate timeline where a certain overgrown kid destroyed a universe for no apparent reason.

To be fair Dai Kaioshin allowed himself to be absorbed so he could manipulate Boo's nature. It wasn't the God Ki(Godly Ki wasn't a thing back then) but his presence inside Boo that calmed him.


So technicaly Zoom wins, right?

[dbgtFO]

To be fair Dai Kaioshin allowed himself to be absorbed so he could manipulate Boo's nature. It wasn't the God Ki(Godly Ki wasn't a thing back then) but his presence inside Boo that calmed him.

That's in DB Multiverse. Officially we have no reason to believe it was deliberate.

[RehBeh]

To be fair Dai Kaioshin allowed himself to be absorbed so he could manipulate Boo's nature. It wasn't the God Ki(Godly Ki wasn't a thing back then) but his presence inside Boo that calmed him.

That's in DB Multiverse. Officially we have no reason to believe it was deliberate.

I wasn't referencing DB Multiverse at all. I mixed up what Kaioshin said. For some reason i remembered him saying "By allowing himself to be absorbed he didn't save me, but all the universe". I was mistaken.

[Gog]

SSBlue Kaioken x10 Oozaru Kid Goku vs Perfect Cell

Cell literally spanks him. A five hundred times increase in power is still nothing to a being over ten million times your strength.

[RehBeh]

SSBlue Kaioken x10 Oozaru Kid Goku vs Perfect Cell

Cell literally spanks him. A five hundred times increase in power is still nothing to a being over ten million times your strength.

We don't have official multiplyers for SSG/SSB, so therefore we don't know how many times it will increase Kid Goku's power. More than five hundred for sure. Would he be a match for Cell? Unknown.

[Gog]

SSBlue Kaioken x10 Oozaru Kid Goku vs Perfect Cell

Cell literally spanks him. A five hundred times increase in power is still nothing to a being over ten million times your strength.

We don't have official multiplyers for SSG/SSB, so therefore we don't know how many times it will increase Kid Goku's power. More than five hundred for sure. Would he be a match for Cell? Unknown.

Yeah you have a point, we really can't do this battle as we don't actually have a solid estimate on SSB'S strength

[TheUltimateNinja]

Cell literally spanks him. A five hundred times increase in power is still nothing to a being over ten million times your strength.

We don't have official multiplyers for SSG/SSB, so therefore we don't know how many times it will increase Kid Goku's power. More than five hundred for sure. Would he be a match for Cell? Unknown.

Yeah you have a point, we really can't do this battle as we don't actually have a solid estimate on SSB'S strength

We do have a solid estimate.
In the manga: 10x SSJ
In the anime: SSBlue > SSGod > Vegetto