Trunks sword?

Phenomenol · Post by **Phenomenol** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:23 am

Is there any data on Trunks sword? Anyhing from the Daizenshuu, concerning it's name or calibur?

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:37 pm

The daizenshuu maintains that the it's the same sword as Tapion's in both timelines. That is- that it was acquired from Tapion in movie 13 for the regular timeline, and that a Mirai Tapion must have given it to Mirai Trunks in the Mirai timeline. Trunks' Sword bio in the daizenshuu just repeats when it was used by Mirai Trunks (against Freeza, etc), whereas Tapion's Sword bio explains that it's enchanted so that it can cut Hildegarn.

So if you count movie 13 as not being canon, it's just another regular sword. If you do, against anyone other than Hildegarn, it's just another regular sword.

Phenomenol · Post by **Phenomenol** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:55 pm

Thankls Dayspring that info is a big help!

Is there any data on the swords power?

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 11:36 pm

Phenomenol wrote:Is there any data on the swords power?

Welll, we know it's...

Strong enough to chop up Freeza.

Not strong enough to chop up 17 or 18 (Though it has chopped up other Androids; see movie 7)

Enchanted against magical monsters, or at least Hildegarn.

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 11:39 pm

Welll, we know it's...

Strong enough to chop up Freeza.

Not strong enough to chop up 17 or 18 (Though it has chopped up other Androids; see movie 7)

Enchanted against magical monsters, or at least Hildegarn.

And it can grow and shrink in size, depending on whos holding it.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 11:43 pm

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:And it can grow and shrink in size, depending on whos holding it.

Trunks: So you wanna see my sword, huh?
Kold: Oh, yeah. Lemme touch it.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:40 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:
Phenomenol wrote:Is there any data on the swords power?
Welll, we know it's...
Strong enough to chop up Freeza.

Not strong enough to chop up 17 or 18 (Though it has chopped up other Androids; see movie 7)

Enchanted against magical monsters, or at least Hildegarn.

I don't think so. Trunks proved it wasn't about magical powers in the sword when Cold tried to slice him. I think that's about personal aura, like when clothes don't get the slightest scratch when blasted by a ki blast by someone weaker.

As for being enchanted, all it can do is cut Hildegarn without having to time the attack for when Hildegarn attacks you. Personally I think that's how they should have ended movie 13: SSJ Trunks with the sword while Hildegarn was attacking.

Anyway, the point is the only magical property of the sword is that it can cut Hildegarn. Other than that, it's a regular sword.

Thypot · Post by **Thypot** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:10 pm

However, are the movies really reliable ? Because for instance, the events of Lord Slug are timeless in the Dragon Ball chronology. Sorry for this question but I am a little newbie. With your comprehension...

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:57 pm

No, they don't really work.

SS2 Vegeto · Post by **SS2 Vegeto** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:27 pm

Very few things that weren't actually in the manga can "really work". The movies are just...worse than usuall in that area. So no, you can't and shouldn't rely on them for any information.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:52 pm

Thypot wrote:However, are the movies really reliable ? Because for instance, the events of Lord Slug are timeless in the Dragon Ball chronology. Sorry for this question but I am a little newbie. With your comprehension...

SS2 Vegetto wrote:Very few things that weren't actually in the manga can "really work". The movies are just...worse than usuall in that area. So no, you can't and shouldn't rely on them for any information."

That pretty much answers your question, but for the anime's continuity, movies 1, 9, and 13 can take place. In fact, for movies 1 and 13 (and sadly, movie 3 as well...

) they have to take place in order for sequel events in the future of the anime to occur (1 and 3 for the Garlic Jr saga to take place, movie 13 for events in GT). Movie 9 can just be treated as filler since that doesn't disrupt the storyline.

Movie 13 doesn't really work because Shenron only grants one wish when he should be granting three.

SS2 Vegeto · Post by **SS2 Vegeto** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:32 pm

Well, in the anime's continuuity. If you bring all three scenarios into the picture (I'm not even including GT for refference to movies that couldn't have happened in any continuuity other than their own), the manga makes it impossible, and then we have both the anime and the movies contradicting it, in conjunction. Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku owning Hirudegarn, after...both Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku and Chou Gohan failed for example, including multiple other things that...just don't make sense, even though you can slot it somewhere in the timeline. Movie one...really doesn't make any sense either, anime or not, considering Kuririn knew who Gohan was, yet didn't in the series. The only possible timeframe would've been before the series start too, so we can't place it somewhere else to solve it.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:54 pm

SS2 Vegeto wrote:Well, in the anime's continuuity. If you bring all three scenarios into the picture (I'm not even including GT for refference to movies that couldn't have happened in any continuuity other than their own), the manga makes it impossible, and then we have both the anime and the movies contradicting it, in conjunction. Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku owning Hirudegarn, after...both Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku and Chou Gohan failed for example, including multiple other things that...just don't make sense, even though you can slot it somewhere in the timeline. Movie one...really doesn't make any sense either, anime or not, considering Kuririn knew who Gohan was, yet didn't in the series. The only possible timeframe would've been before the series start too, so we can't place it somewhere else to solve it.

Uh... which is the exact reason for which I said it takes place in the anime's continuity... ^_^;;

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:12 pm

Just because something might not be able to happen in the "canon" timeline for other reasons, doesn't make it any less valuable in terms of "expanded information."

For example, movie 4. It can't fit within the series, but it showed us that whistling is especially irritating to Namekian ears. Movie 12 couldn't have happened, but it showed us what the result of a Goku/Vegeta Fusion Dance would be (Since they only used the potara in the series). Movie 1 couldn't have happened, but it expanded on Kami's backstory. You get what I'm saying?

SS2 Vegeto · Post by **SS2 Vegeto** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:26 pm

I get what you're saying, but I don't exactly value information that highly that didn't come straight from the manga. I like to go straight to the source with things, and anything separate from what I would define as the "canon" continuuity, probably something that peoples views differ a bit on, but in my eyes, what played out in Toriyama's mind, I view as a random AU (alternate universe) series of events, that don't really have any baring on or importance to anything but themselves. Whistling may or may not have any affect on a Namekian's ears. I think the result of a fusion dance between Goku and Vegeta would be Vegetto with a fusion vest. Kami's backstory could be anything to me. Thus, I don't pay it much heed.