"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[namekiansaiyan]

Why do so many of you think that some characters are going to absolutely nothing in the tournament? I think all 10 will have the best showing they will ever have in the Dragon ball.

[Kagari]

Why do so many of you think that some characters are going to absolutely nothing in the tournament? I think all 10 will have the best showing they will ever have in the Dragon ball.

I guess people are still scared after the Universe 6 tournament. After the Trunks arc though, I absolutely think everyone will get their due.

[Simere]

Why do so many of you think that some characters are going to absolutely nothing in the tournament? I think all 10 will have the best showing they will ever have in the Dragon ball.

Because I don't think Toriyama is as interested in seeing characters "get their shine" as you and others do.

[Nejishiki]

That's why Vegeta will probably never get the "Boss" kill because he takes too long to gloat and punish, Goku tries to let everybody live even though he knows somebody like Freeza has no good in them. You'd think they'd let the more ruthless one do the killing but honestly I don't think Goku really thinks of killing bad guy's as killing but more of winning a battle or defeating.

Vegeta was "a professional" with Freeza, his cruelty & boastfulness remarkably absent. He swiftly damaged Freeza to the point of powering down & only lingered with his finishing blow. For all intents & purposes, Vegeta was deathly serious from the very beginning. He happened to "lose the (reversed) war" due to Freeza's tactic, which is equal to conceding his loss since he knew Hell awaited him otherwise.

[Kagari]

Why do so many of you think that some characters are going to absolutely nothing in the tournament? I think all 10 will have the best showing they will ever have in the Dragon ball.

Because I don't think Toriyama is as interested in seeing characters "get their shine" as you and others do.

This is just a personal theory but it feels like Toei and the Dragon Ball Room might have a bit more involvement these days.

[Simere]

Why do so many of you think that some characters are going to absolutely nothing in the tournament? I think all 10 will have the best showing they will ever have in the Dragon ball.

Because I don't think Toriyama is as interested in seeing characters "get their shine" as you and others do.

This is just a personal theory but it feels like Toei and the Dragon Ball Room might have a bit more involvement these days.

I usually see fans who complain about their favorite characters not getting shine also being the ones to accuse Toei of wanking Goku; as if they're the ones to blame for the lack of relevancy. So, I don't think that would be of much comfort in this regard if true.

[namekiansaiyan]

Because I don't think Toriyama is as interested in seeing characters "get their shine" as you and others do.

This is just a personal theory but it feels like Toei and the Dragon Ball Room might have a bit more involvement these days.

I usually see fans who complain about their favorite characters not getting shine also being the ones to accuse Toei of wanking Goku; as if they're the ones to blame for the lack of relevancy. So, I don't think that would be of much comfort in this regard if true.

Toriyama included 10 members on each team so he is off to a very good start.

[precita]

I don't think they would have bothered bringing 17 back from obscurity, have 18 enter, show Gohan and Krillin get back into fighting, have Fat Buu appear again, etc. if they were all going to do nothing.

[Simere]

I'll be counting next to nothing as nothing, by the way.

[TheMathemagician]

It probably is not the final fight as that is one big spoiler.

Maybe, but I could easily see it being the big fight. Wouldn't be the first time an anime pretty much showed what would be the climactic battle.

Goku vs new alien guy being the last fight is possible by why give most if it away in the intro?
Why not have just a quick clash between him and Goku?

Who knows? I'm not saying it isn't possible that it's a red herring. All I'm saying is, it's not unheard of for an anime's intro to spoil potentially the big fight of a saga. That's why I'm saying I wouldn't be surprised if this was the big fight.

I don't think they would have bothered bringing 17 back from obscurity, have 18 enter, show Gohan and Krillin get back into fighting, have Fat Buu appear again, etc. if they were all going to do nothing.

This too. It just doesn't make much sense. Tori must have finished the outline for this saga some time ago, and Toei possibly already had his outline by the time they were writing the Gohan and Kuririn episodes. It really just doesn't make much sense to have most of these characters get shafted when he brought them back anyway.

[Simere]

I just don't understand how so many can be so confident in saying "Toriyama would never bring characters just to do nothing" when he did exactly that in just the last tournament. And it wasn't the first time. Doesn't it feel at least slightly delusional to believe it was the last?

[pacz360]

I just don't understand how so many can be so confident in saying "Toriyama would never bring characters just to do nothing" when he did exactly that in just the last tournament. And it wasn't the first time. Doesn't it feel at least slightly delusional to believe it was the last?

Well listen no one here is certain on what will happen in the torunament hell we don't even know how most of the fight will be? Either some of it be one-on-one or team matches and such. We have to wait and see how this will playout considering next will have a 3-on-3 warm up match.

[kinisking]

I just don't understand how so many can be so confident in saying "Toriyama would never bring characters just to do nothing" when he did exactly that in just the last tournament. And it wasn't the first time. Doesn't it feel at least slightly delusional to believe it was the last?

This is different. Monaka isn't a fighter and Boo is lazy. The other characters involved in this arc are fighters and aren't lazy. Even so, Monaka did contribute in his own little way and Piccolo had an entertaining battle. Winning isn't everything.

[HeroR]

That's why Vegeta will probably never get the "Boss" kill because he takes too long to gloat and punish, Goku tries to let everybody live even though he knows somebody like Freeza has no good in them. You'd think they'd let the more ruthless one do the killing but honestly I don't think Goku really thinks of killing bad guy's as killing but more of winning a battle or defeating.

Vegeta was "a professional" with Freeza, his cruelty & boastfulness remarkably absent. He swiftly damaged Freeza to the point of powering down & only lingered with his finishing blow. For all intents & purposes, Vegeta was deathly serious from the very beginning. He happened to "lose the (reversed) war" due to Freeza's tactic, which is equal to conceding his loss since he knew Hell awaited him otherwise.

That's not conceding a lost, that's winning. Freeza beat Vegeta because Vegeta can't survive in space. In a life and death battle, Vegeta lost.

[Simere]

I just don't understand how so many can be so confident in saying "Toriyama would never bring characters just to do nothing" when he did exactly that in just the last tournament. And it wasn't the first time. Doesn't it feel at least slightly delusional to believe it was the last?

Well listen no one here is certain on what will happen in the torunament hell we don't even know how most of the fight will be? Either some of it be one-on-one or team matches and such. We have to wait and see how this will playout considering next will have a 3-on-3 warm up match.

It's seemed to me like namekiansaiyan is rather certain.

[namekiansaiyan]

I don't think they would have bothered bringing 17 back from obscurity, have 18 enter, show Gohan and Krillin get back into fighting, have Fat Buu appear again, etc. if they were all going to do nothing.

Exactly, Toriyama obviously chose 10 for a certain reason and that reason is probably because 10 works really well for the format he is using for the tournament.

I just don't understand how so many can be so confident in saying "Toriyama would never bring characters just to do nothing" when he did exactly that in just the last tournament. And it wasn't the first time. Doesn't it feel at least slightly delusional to believe it was the last?

The reason we are being confident is because Toriyama increased the total members instead of decreasing them.
It will look stupid if we get 8 useless members and 2 useful ones.

I wouldn't be surprised if somehow Toriyama recieved feedback and a big complaint was that it was all about Goku and Vegeta, so he has decided to add the others.

Well listen no one here is certain on what will happen in the torunament hell we don't even know how most of the fight will be? Either some of it be one-on-one or team matches and such. We have to wait and see how this will playout considering next will have a 3-on-3 warm up match.

It's seemed to me like namekiansaiyan is rather certain.

I am just basing my certainty on all the promotion which is making it seem like a proper team tournament.

[kinisking]

was really expecting some new type today. Dissapointed. Maybe we won't have any summaries this month in an attempt to not spoil the new arc ?

[Terez]

was really expecting some new type today. Dissapointed. Maybe we won't have any summaries this month in an attempt to not spoil the new arc ?

It's not like this hasn't happened before; we should at least get dates even if there are no titles or summaries. (Should probably get staff too.)

[Chuquita]

was really expecting some new type today. Dissapointed. Maybe we won't have any summaries this month in an attempt to not spoil the new arc ?

I'm hoping we get them so to hype up the arc (and also because of 77's cliffhanger). But odds are against me.

I know other shows have their listings up, maybe Super's are just late?

[kinisking]

was really expecting some new type today. Dissapointed. Maybe we won't have any summaries this month in an attempt to not spoil the new arc ?

It's not like this hasn't happened before; we should at least get dates even if there are no titles or summaries. (Should probably get staff too.)

Yeah I know it's happened before which is why I brought it up as a possibility, although I guess that might have been hard to tell from how I worded it. I know they usually give out staff regardless but what do you mean by dates ? The dates of the episodes?