Goku becoming Evil

[alexhermit]

People see something off because they want to see it. I just see Goku being focused on the fight in the intro.

narrow thinking. There is something really off about him, hes becoming over obsessed with fighting that hes going to get others killed in this tournament.

Goku is really thirsty for power!

[mute_proxy]

People see something off because they want to see it. I just see Goku being focused on the fight in the intro.

narrow thinking. There is something really off about him, hes becoming over obsessed with fighting that hes going to get others killed in this tournament.

Goku is really thirsty for power!

Do you want a list on how it's always been that way? Only the scale is getting bigger and bigger

[alexhermit]

People see something off because they want to see it. I just see Goku being focused on the fight in the intro.

narrow thinking. There is something really off about him, hes becoming over obsessed with fighting that hes going to get others killed in this tournament.

Goku is really thirsty for power!

Do you want a list on how it's always been that way? Only the scale is getting bigger and bigger

lol not just scale, so are the stakes. The only time Goku has ever fought in a tournament that put other lives at stake was during Cell games, And Guess What!!?
He wasent doing it willingly because he had no choice.

Realistically Goku treats fighting as like a game, and he never wants anyone to get seriously hurt or killed, but now he's completely aware of these stakes and hes still proceeding to do so anyway, looks like saiyan instincts are finally awakening him.

[TheMathemagician]

narrow thinking. There is something really off about him, hes becoming over obsessed with fighting that hes going to get others killed in this tournament.

Goku is really thirsty for power!

Do you want a list on how it's always been that way? Only the scale is getting bigger and bigger

lol not just scale, so are the stakes. The only time Goku has ever fought in a tournament that put other lives at stake was during Cell games, And Guess What!!?
He wasent doing it willingly because he had no choice.

Realistically Goku treats fighting as like a game, and he never wants anyone to get seriously hurt or killed, but now he's completely aware of these stakes and hes still proceeding to do so anyway, looks like saiyan instincts are finally awakening him.

What? He let Vegeta go knowing the stakes. He literally acknowledges how risky his decision is, and still goes on with it anyway. The guy even threatened not to forgive Kuririn if he didn't let Vegeta go. That's not even the only example of Goku doing something like this. Goku literally hasn't changed.

[alexhermit]

Do you want a list on how it's always been that way? Only the scale is getting bigger and bigger

lol not just scale, so are the stakes. The only time Goku has ever fought in a tournament that put other lives at stake was during Cell games, And Guess What!!?
He wasent doing it willingly because he had no choice.

Realistically Goku treats fighting as like a game, and he never wants anyone to get seriously hurt or killed, but now he's completely aware of these stakes and hes still proceeding to do so anyway, looks like saiyan instincts are finally awakening him.

What? He let Vegeta go knowing the stakes. He literally acknowledges how risky his decision is, and still goes on with it anyway. The guy even threatened not to forgive Kuririn if he didn't let Vegeta go. That's not even the only example of Goku doing something like this. Goku literally hasn't changed.

So then what would have been the other option? defenselessly murdering him!!??
Vegeta was not a real threat anymore, thats why Goku asked Krillin to spare his life.
Honestly any righteous good hero even someone like Superman would have done the same.
It only showed that Goku's character was good because he was willing to forgive and spare the
lives of even his worst villains who hurt his friends.

[TheMathemagician]

lol not just scale, so are the stakes. The only time Goku has ever fought in a tournament that put other lives at stake was during Cell games, And Guess What!!?
He wasent doing it willingly because he had no choice.

Realistically Goku treats fighting as like a game, and he never wants anyone to get seriously hurt or killed, but now he's completely aware of these stakes and hes still proceeding to do so anyway, looks like saiyan instincts are finally awakening him.

What? He let Vegeta go knowing the stakes. He literally acknowledges how risky his decision is, and still goes on with it anyway. The guy even threatened not to forgive Kuririn if he didn't let Vegeta go. That's not even the only example of Goku doing something like this. Goku literally hasn't changed.

So then what would have been the other option? defenselessly murdering him!!??
Vegeta was not a real threat anymore, thats why Goku asked Krillin to spare his life.
Honestly any righteous good hero even someone like Superman would have done the same.
It only showed that Goku's character was good because he was willing to forgive and spare the
lives of even his worst villains who hurt his friends.

Lolno. Goku had Kuririn spare Vegeta just so he could fight him again, it had nothing to do with him being defenseless. He wasn't forgiving what Vegeta did (he made it clear he'd try and kill him in a rematch), he straight up tells Kuririn that he knows letting Vegeta go is selfish, and acknowledges that it's dangerous since Vegeta is sure to come back and try to kill them. Goku didn't spare Vegeta for any heroic reason at all.

[Deathbringer]

It's true that sparing Vegeta and Cell and all the other stuff was reckless but it worked out in the end because Goku was confident enough to stop any real danger, but this is way worse, even though Goku isn't the one setting the rules of the tournament the rules state that 11 of the 12 universes will be destroyed and there's nothing Goku can do to stop it because he's not as strong as Zeno, this would take something like all the Kaioshin and Hakaishin coming together to stop Zeno or something like that.

Although you could also argue that the other fighters all accept the same fate and are probably just as bad as Goku but at the same time Goku was given multiple warnings not to play around with Zeno and he ignored all of them and also I imagine that maybe Goku will still like the idea of the tournament and fighting while everyone else on the team will be annoyed with him and also basically forced into the tournament for their own survival.

[HeroR]

It's true that sparing Vegeta and Cell and all the other stuff was reckless but it worked out in the end because Goku was confident enough to stop any real danger, but this is way worse, even though Goku isn't the one setting the rules of the tournament the rules state that 11 of the 12 universes will be destroyed and there's nothing Goku can do to stop it because he's not as strong as Zeno, this would take something like all the Kaioshin and Hakaishin coming together to stop Zeno or something like that.

Although you could also argue that the other fighters all accept the same fate and are probably just as bad as Goku but at the same time Goku was given multiple warnings not to play around with Zeno and he ignored all of them and also I imagine that maybe Goku will still like the idea of the tournament and fighting while everyone else on the team will be annoyed with him and also basically forced into the tournament for their own survival.

Goku never spared Cell. He was one of the few villains that Goku tried to kill and didn't offer him the chance to walk away.

[Deathbringer]

It's true that sparing Vegeta and Cell and all the other stuff was reckless but it worked out in the end because Goku was confident enough to stop any real danger, but this is way worse, even though Goku isn't the one setting the rules of the tournament the rules state that 11 of the 12 universes will be destroyed and there's nothing Goku can do to stop it because he's not as strong as Zeno, this would take something like all the Kaioshin and Hakaishin coming together to stop Zeno or something like that.

Although you could also argue that the other fighters all accept the same fate and are probably just as bad as Goku but at the same time Goku was given multiple warnings not to play around with Zeno and he ignored all of them and also I imagine that maybe Goku will still like the idea of the tournament and fighting while everyone else on the team will be annoyed with him and also basically forced into the tournament for their own survival.

Goku never spared Cell. He was one of the few villains that Goku tried to kill and didn't offer him the chance to walk away.

oh yeah that's right, I was confusing it with when he gave him a senzu

[alexhermit]

What? He let Vegeta go knowing the stakes. He literally acknowledges how risky his decision is, and still goes on with it anyway. The guy even threatened not to forgive Kuririn if he didn't let Vegeta go. That's not even the only example of Goku doing something like this. Goku literally hasn't changed.

So then what would have been the other option? defenselessly murdering him!!??
Vegeta was not a real threat anymore, thats why Goku asked Krillin to spare his life.
Honestly any righteous good hero even someone like Superman would have done the same.
It only showed that Goku's character was good because he was willing to forgive and spare the
lives of even his worst villains who hurt his friends.

Lolno. Goku had Kuririn spare Vegeta just so he could fight him again, it had nothing to do with him being defenseless. He wasn't forgiving what Vegeta did (he made it clear he'd try and kill him in a rematch), he straight up tells Kuririn that he knows letting Vegeta go is selfish, and acknowledges that it's dangerous since Vegeta is sure to come back and try to kill them. Goku didn't spare Vegeta for any heroic reason at all.

It doesnt matter!! He still wasent a threat to them anymore. Thats why Goku spared his life giving him a second chance to change and become their ally just like with Piccolo. Sure being able to fight Vegeta would have also contributed to that motive, but it wouldnt have completely stolen the cake.

Right now Goku is still not even close to the Beerus or Whis level, and yet hes trying to risk entire multiverse just to fight even stronger characters than them. Goku is a moron! plain and simple

[HeroR]

It doesnt matter!! He still wasent a threat to them anymore. Thats why Goku spared his life giving him a second chance to change and become their ally just like with Piccolo. Sure being able to fight Vegeta would have also contributed to that motive, but it wouldnt have completely stolen the cake.

Right now Goku is still not even close to the Beerus or Whis level, and yet hes trying to risk entire multiverse just to fight even stronger characters than them. Goku is a moron! plain and simple

You're going against Goku's own words. He saved Vegeta purely to fight him again. Him being defendless had nothing to do with it. He wasn't giving Vegeta a second chance either. He outright said he would kill Vegeta the next time they meet. Vegeta turning good was pure luck, especially when Goku himself said Vegeta wasn't going to pull a Piccolo.

So far, no mortal has shown themselves to be stronger than the Gods of Destruction and certainly not Whis. So what characters are you thinking of that are stronger than them?

[alexhermit]

It doesnt matter!! He still wasent a threat to them anymore. Thats why Goku spared his life giving him a second chance to change and become their ally just like with Piccolo. Sure being able to fight Vegeta would have also contributed to that motive, but it wouldnt have completely stolen the cake.

Right now Goku is still not even close to the Beerus or Whis level, and yet hes trying to risk entire multiverse just to fight even stronger characters than them. Goku is a moron! plain and simple

You're going against Goku's own words. He saved Vegeta purely to fight him again. Him being defendless had nothing to do with it. He wasn't giving Vegeta a second chance either. He outright said he would kill Vegeta the next time they meet. Vegeta turning good was pure luck, especially when Goku himself said Vegeta wasn't going to pull a Piccolo.

So far, no mortal has shown themselves to be stronger than the Gods of Destruction and certainly not Whis. So what characters are you thinking of that are stronger than them?

Killing him? Goku never states that anywhere in the manga.
What he more was trying to emphasize was that killing someone like Vegeta would feel like a waste due to his power potential and allowing Goku to become even stronger.
He even said that he havent felt anything like that since the last time he fought with piccolo.

Thats why krillin decided to spare him because at the end of it Goku pretty much still saved the earth.

[HeroR]

Killing him? Goku never states that anywhere in the manga.
What he more was trying to emphasize was that killing someone like Vegeta would feel like a waste due to his power potential and allowing Goku to become even stronger.
He even said that he havent felt anything like that since the last time he fought with piccolo.

Thats why krillin decided to spare him because at the end of it Goku pretty much still saved the earth.

He said he will kill Vegeta for sure the next time they fought.

[TBMx]

Killing him? Goku never states that anywhere in the manga.
What he more was trying to emphasize was that killing someone like Vegeta would feel like a waste due to his power potential and allowing Goku to become even stronger.
He even said that he havent felt anything like that since the last time he fought with piccolo.

Thats why krillin decided to spare him because at the end of it Goku pretty much still saved the earth.

He said he will kill Vegeta for sure the next time they fought.

I too don't recall him using the word kill. The man let Frieza live. I don't think he would say kill.

[HeroR]

I too don't recall him using the word kill. The man let Frieza live. I don't think he would say kill.

He let Freeza live out of cruel mercy. He wanted Freeza to suffer the rest of his life being defeated by a monkey.

[SsjCookie]

Realistically Goku treats fighting as like a game, and he never wants anyone to get seriously hurt or killed, but now he's completely aware of these stakes and hes still proceeding to do so anyway, looks like saiyan instincts are finally awakening him.

Don't worry, Goku has everything figured out, he knows his universe will win and if they do he'll just wishes the other universes back.
There...problem solved.

Oh god, I hope it will not go like that.

[coola]

Realistically Goku treats fighting as like a game, and he never wants anyone to get seriously hurt or killed, but now he's completely aware of these stakes and hes still proceeding to do so anyway, looks like saiyan instincts are finally awakening him.

Don't worry, Goku has everything figured out, he knows his universe will win and if they do he'll just wishes the other universes back.
There...problem solved.

Oh god, I hope it will not go like that.

That's only way for Goku to not become cold blooded killer, who, becasue of his lust for fight, killed more people than Freeza.

[TheMikado]

Realistically Goku treats fighting as like a game, and he never wants anyone to get seriously hurt or killed, but now he's completely aware of these stakes and hes still proceeding to do so anyway, looks like saiyan instincts are finally awakening him.

Don't worry, Goku has everything figured out, he knows his universe will win and if they do he'll just wishes the other universes back.
There...problem solved.

Oh god, I hope it will not go like that.

That's only way for Goku to not become cold blooded killer, who, becasue of his lust for fight, killed more people than Freeza.

If Goku can't even ask Zeno not to destroy them because he would risk being destroyed, what makes people think Zeno will take kindly to Goku or anybody else reversing what he just did? That seems like a sure fire way to get everything destroyed.

[TBMx]

I'm worried this is being written as "goku's just naive" rather than Goku being evil. I hope the writers are fully aware of what they're doing and actually give him some comeuppance. If they don't and he ends up winning again and being the big hero afterward Zeno reverses his position or says he didnt really mean it, that would be sickening and I probably would drop the series. That doesn't erase Goku's decisions or his attitude leading up to it and the message that you can do what you want and its fine as long as later on it turns out no one was hurt is a TERRIBLE message to put out there. Beerus should stop training this idiot immediately and ban him from his world as well as the realms of the gods. Take that stupid button off him for a start.

[TheMathemagician]

I'm worried this is being written as "goku's just naive" rather than Goku being evil. I hope the writers are fully aware of what they're doing and actually give him some comeuppance. If they don't and he ends up winning again and being the big hero afterward Zeno reverses his position or says he didnt really mean it, that would be sickening and I probably would drop the series. That doesn't erase Goku's decisions or his attitude leading up to it and the message that you can do what you want and its fine as long as later on it turns out no one was hurt is a TERRIBLE message to put out there. Beerus should stop training this idiot immediately and ban him from his world as well as the realms of the gods. Take that stupid button off him for a start.

Why would you be worried about this being Goku being "naive" and rather than evil when he hasn't done anything that makes him evil. If anything, it should be shown that this all started from a man's selfish need to satisfy his thirst for battle. Beerus probably should ban him, but we know that isn't happening.