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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 77

Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:18 pm

Mazingerdestro wrote: You sound like I hate the guy or something. It's not a vendetta, I just wish he could be more on model, something that I think now he has no reason not to do.
Does the animation look bad when he deviates from the designs? If not then Tate has reasons to not follow the chracter sheets to a T.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 77

Post by ArchedThunder » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:18 pm

Yomi wrote:Can't wait for next week when all the youtube fans call the episode ugly because Tate's on it.
The people I know that hate on Tate haven't been making a stink yet, so hopefully that carries over to the full episode. Really the only shot of his from the NEP that deviates from the character designs in a way that people usually take issue with is the close up of Gohan's eyes, but even that I haven't really heard complaining about.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Ajay » Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:14 pm

Episode 78

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by kinisking » Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:33 pm

I hate how Gohan's eyes have gotten super small lately. I wonder if it's because they're trying to fit them inside his glasses, but it's something I noticed while reviewing Yamamuro's designs.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by ArchedThunder » Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:37 pm

There's an error right there for 78, you said that Kitano only handles the second half, he had the first half.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by KameNinja45 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:52 pm

kinisking wrote:I hate how Gohan's eyes have gotten super small lately. I wonder if it's because they're trying to fit them inside his glasses, but it's something I noticed while reviewing Yamamuro's designs.
When he takes them off, they're gonna magically grow bigger.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Ajay » Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:53 pm

ArchedThunder wrote:There's an error right there for 78, you said that Kitano only handles the second half, he had the first half.
Ugh. This is why I don't try and squeeze out entries after a busy day. I'll have to fix that tomorrow morning.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Yomi » Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:04 pm

KameNinja45 wrote:
kinisking wrote:I hate how Gohan's eyes have gotten super small lately. I wonder if it's because they're trying to fit them inside his glasses, but it's something I noticed while reviewing Yamamuro's designs.
When he takes them off, they're gonna magically grow bigger.
Must be some thick glasses.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 77

Post by Mazingerdestro » Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:41 pm

kinisking wrote:
Gashif Aldi wrote:
Amir wrote:Kitano is a bad animator.
He actually worked on an episode of Sword Art Online S2, and he's the first credited.
Can someone provide animation Kitano has done in the past? He's got to be pretty good if he became an animation supervisor. Even if his work in super doesn't show it.
Or he is a smooth talker and concise them to trust him lol.
In general all his episodes are quite disappointing with his key animation been the worse compare to others. Heck, some of his animation "withe enough time" looks worse than people who were drawing key scenes within 4 weeks.

For some reason he handles big episodes, which tend to look great due to the key animators been talented. Maybe the reason he gets so many big episodes might be that he is quite loose and doesn't correct scenes too often?

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 77

Post by Noah » Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:15 pm

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Everyone looks alright except Goku, who looks constipated with giant legs. Also, the Grand Priest looks like his right eye is trying to escape his face


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Beerus, Supreme Kai, and Kibito all look good. (Especially Supreme Kai. Glad they got rid of his gigantic head) Goku and Whis look terrible though. Although I think Whis could be fixed easily if they'd fix his eyes to actually be looking where everyone else is. Instead he just looks bored and uncaring.


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Goku's arms look like they have tumors attached to them, but otherwise nothing too horrible. Whis literally looks like he's copy-pasted in or something though. I don't know, I think it's because he's not even facing the right direction. What the hell is he looking at? Maybe he's just staring off into the distance because he's sad about how fucked up his face looks.[/spoiler]

The problem though, is that there was like a grand total of 5 or 6 shots during the first five minutes of the episode, so it just kept replaying some of those shots over and over again, and sometimes holding on them so you could truly appreciate all the little imperfections. If you're going to replay the same shots over and over again, or hold on them for awhile whilst exposition is occurring, at least attempt to make them good, enjoyable shots. Not ones with imperfections in them that we can easily notice because you keep showing the shot again and again.

The art got much better in the second half of the episode though.
Yes, that was my complaint about this episode, it was enjoyable, but the rough art in the beginning is really distracting, I always hope them to improve in the next episodes and fix that in the DVD/Blu-ray releases, but sadly I think we'll see more of that in the future :yawn:
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 77

Post by Alee9977 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:31 am

Mazingerdestro wrote:
kinisking wrote:
Gashif Aldi wrote:
He actually worked on an episode of Sword Art Online S2, and he's the first credited.
Can someone provide animation Kitano has done in the past? He's got to be pretty good if he became an animation supervisor. Even if his work in super doesn't show it.
Or he is a smooth talker and concise them to trust him lol.
In general all his episodes are quite disappointing with his key animation been the worse compare to others. Heck, some of his animation "withe enough time" looks worse than people who were drawing key scenes within 4 weeks.

For some reason he handles big episodes, which tend to look great due to the key animators been talented. Maybe the reason he gets so many big episodes might be that he is quite loose and doesn't correct scenes too often?
He may be a good supervisor and knows how to handle big episodes, but he is a really bad key animator

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Mon Feb 13, 2017 1:36 am

A little late but #78 was meh. It was boring. Except for one or two close-ups of Beers in the first half there wasn't anything interesting boarding and direction wise.

Tsuji saved Kitano from being totally awful, but his poor drawings still were noticeable. Ishikawa's AD work in the second half was serviceable.

NEP as noted by many looks promising. Tate handling the opening fight and Karasawa Kazuya providing storyboard is something to look forward to. Hopefully, we'll get to see PURE TATE!

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by JazzMazz » Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:27 am

As am I still trying to fully discover what Jin Inaba's style actually looks like, I've decided to go back to his major action episodes where he was the top credited key animator and see what was and wasn't done by him.

#10(presumed)
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#38(presumed, he was the third top credited key animator)
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#42(presumed)
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^Probably not Jin Inaba

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I've been trying to solve exactly what Jin Inaba looks like for some time now, so if anyone could clarify of these guesses being correct, it would be very much appreciated.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Ajay » Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:23 am

Okay, fixed up Kitano's entry. Sorry about that!

Feel free to throw mistakes at me over the next week. I think I'm aware of all the visuals ones, but by all means throw them at me, regardless. Text-wise, if you see any spelling errors or awkward sentences, fire away.

Probably won't be able to acknowledge them all individually, but I'll definitely see them, and make the changes if they're needed.

Thanks!
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I've been trying to solve exactly what Jin Inaba looks like for some time now, so if anyone could clarify of these guesses being correct, it would be very much appreciated.
These three are Higashide. You can tell by the effects. :thumbup: Can't speak for the stuff in #10 since they're so heavily corrected by Tsuji. I think #38 has always been a sure thing, though.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by JazzMazz » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:31 am

Ajay wrote:Okay, fixed up Kitano's entry. Sorry about that!

Feel free to throw mistakes at me over the next week. I think I'm aware of all the visuals ones, but by all means throw them at me, regardless. Text-wise, if you see any spelling errors or awkward sentences, fire away.

Probably won't be able to acknowledge them all individually, but I'll definitely see them, and make the changes if they're needed.

Thanks!
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I've been trying to solve exactly what Jin Inaba looks like for some time now, so if anyone could clarify of these guesses being correct, it would be very much appreciated.
These three are Higashide. You can tell by the effects. :thumbup: Can't speak for the stuff in #10 since they're so heavily corrected by Tsuji. I think #38 has always been a sure thing, though.
Thanks for the response, I agree his work on #38 was definitely his most distinctive on the series. However, I think another episode which would help to identify Inaba, would be #13. [spoiler]

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I felt like the shading of Goku's hair was reminiscent of some of the work we saw in #10, there is also a lot of impact effects which share similarities with #10. Admittedly the fight is nothing to ride home about but it would still be interesting to put a name to this fight.(this is pretty much a random guess)

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by iAnimationLover_ » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:15 am

Ajay wrote: Text-wise, if you see any spelling errors or awkward sentences, fire away.

Bang Bang: In your ishikawa #78 entry, you wrote "Apperences" instead of "Appearances" :>

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Gashif Aldi » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:44 am

Any of you guys have the best Yuichi Karasawa's work in the industry?

His work here is never in full-potential, yet we always amazed at his work.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Lujin_16 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:11 am

So we know now that the real tournament starts later is it good for the schedule????

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by iAnimationLover_ » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:55 am

Lujin_16 wrote:So we know now that the real tournament starts later is it good for the schedule????

They are still gonna have to animate like 3 fights, right? Unless they go full-on conservative it wont help that much (.. I think xD)

Correct me if I'm wrong though

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Sodhi » Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:28 am

It all depends on how they use their staff and the state of production. It is very hard to say what will benefit and what won't.

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