Toei shouldn't have problem to retcon GT

[coola]

Currently airing Tiger Mask series, Tiger Mask W might retcon Tiger Mask II from 1980's, with had anime only plot involving New Japan Pro Wrestling . So i don't see why Super wouldn't go past GT too?

[Hellspawn28]

Not to mention it's not like GT will be gone forever. GT will still be in the video games and Heroes. If people really want SSjB vs. SSj4, that's what the XV games are for.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Why are we talking about this like it hasn't happened yet? GT, for all intents and purposes, is gone. It's done, it doesn't work with Super, the retcon has already happened.

The idea from some that they might tie together is wishful thinking at best.

[Hellspawn28]

We have a female Broli type of character. I think Toei can bring SSj4 in Super somehow. I remember people was expecting Cabba to go SSj4 and introduce it as a new form in the show.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

We have a female Broli type of character. I think Toei can bring SSj4 in Super somehow. I remember people was expecting Cabba to go SSj4 and introduce it as a new form in the show.

Now that the Dragon Room has this newfound influence, anything is possible. In fact, I expect them to bring SS4 in down the line.

[ChronoTwigger]

Tiger Mask II was already a retcon with a very thin hook with the previous serie (Kenta becoming a wrestler was indeed a retcon itself).

GT was a mistake, they created a sequel of a serie without any real cognition that dragon ball could continue forever...
So i think not only that they could, but they MUST retcon GT, maybe using some element like SSJ4 but differently told.
I will be fine with that.

[Chuquita]

I feel GT is more dated-looking than Z in some aspects. You can see some "hey look, late 80's early 90's stuff" in parts of DB and Z, but GT screams 1996-97 from the top of its lungs from its designs to the colors to the fashion in a way that didn't stick around. I say just let GT be its own thing and try something different if Super ever reaches past EoZ. Even though I don't care for the next gen characters, I still think they could be written/designed in better way than GT did with them. GT made Pan annoying, Trunks boring, and practically threw away Goten, Bra, Uub, and Marron imo. (It also unforgivably changed Gokû into a kid and never changed him back outside of ssj4 which I'm not even much of a fan of. Vegeta's mustache was funny, but his haircut was heartbreaking imo.)

[GTX]

It is like saying Pokemon retcon happens each new series and the older no longer canon so is yugioh and the likes. Tons of anime has multiple route and ending and that's not rare. Even in one season of anime often has 4 route or more of stories. I don't care about this discussion, whatever.

[MisteryOne]

It is like saying Pokemon retcon happens each new series and the older no longer canon so is yugioh and the likes. Tons of anime has multiple route and ending and that's not rare. Even in one season of anime often has 4 route or more of stories. I don't care about this discussion, whatever.

Any of the examples you gave retcons the older stuff as hard as Super has done to GT. Then again, you should not have any problems with it being retconned if you consider GT and Super alternates routes, so whats the point of your coment? Super retcons GT and they can't coexist right now, that doesn't mean GT can't be seen as a «what if Beerus never awake». So whats exactly the point of this comment?

[GTX]

It is like saying Pokemon retcon happens each new series and the older no longer canon so is yugioh and the likes. Tons of anime has multiple route and ending and that's not rare. Even in one season of anime often has 4 route or more of stories. I don't care about this discussion, whatever.

Any of the examples you gave retcons the older stuff as hard as Super has done to GT. Then again, you should not have any problems with it being retconned if you consider GT and Super alternates routes, so whats the point of your coment? Super retcons GT and they can't coexist right now, that doesn't mean GT can't be seen as a «what if Beerus never awake». So whats exactly the point of this comment?

What those new thing retcon the old one, that's very stupid and impossible, wtf. How can a same season and a same series too that's also anime that have 4 or more ending retcon each other. That's impossible.

[Dragon Ball Gus]

They kinda already did two things similar to GT. In the Future Trunks Arc. Remember when Zamasu took over Goku's body? Similar to when Baby took over Vegeta's body. Remember when Vegito only lasted for 10 minutes in Episode 66? Similar to Gogeta in GT Episode 60. They already did stuff that came out of GT, I just don't them completely retconning it entirely.

[Cipher]

Uh ... GT's events have been nearly impossible to reconcile with the new material since the movies. It's obvious there's no effort to keep the two in line with each other as a single continuity.

I don't think the unwillingness to go past the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai is out of unwillingness to step on GT's toes, but rather out of an unwillingness to unseat the end of the manga. All parties involved also seem to want to stick to the younger cast.

I feel GT is more dated-looking than Z in some aspects. You can see some "hey look, late 80's early 90's stuff" in parts of DB and Z, but GT screams 1996-97 from the top of its lungs from its designs to the colors to the fashion in a way that didn't stick around.

GT is absolutely tied to its real-world era in a way no other core Dragon Ball content has ever been. The minor miracle of it is that its aesthetic dovetails nicely with its themes as a series.

[CrimsonYouth]

Yes, they should. Mainly because GT used a lot of non-canon material that contradicts the original manga and Super.

For example, the entire Baby arc is based on the whole tsufuru-jin thing, that was creation of Toei itself. In the episode of Bardock we saw that the planet Vegeta was inhabited by the Plant people and in the Champa arc, when Vegeta meets Cabba, he says that their original home was planet Salad and they later traveled to planet Vegeta when their home planet disappeared. So, in a few words, the whole Tsufuru-Saiyan war for the control of the planet never existed, mainly because Toei depicted the Saiyan race as barbarians when they fought the Tsufuru-jin, when according to what Vegeta said, the had been traveling through space even before they arrived to Planet Vegeta.

Other things that come to mind are the enemies that appear in the Super 17 arc, many being from the movies and OVAs and the whole depiction of Hell, that also is a creation of Toei and is very different from what we saw in the ROF arc.

[dbgtFO]

For example, the entire Baby arc is based on the whole tsufuru-jin thing, that was creation of Toei itself. In the episode of Bardock we saw that the planet Vegeta was inhabited by the Plant people and in the Champa arc, when Vegeta meets Cabba, he says that their original home was planet Salad and they later traveled to planet Vegeta when their home planet disappeared. So, in a few words, the whole Tsufuru-Saiyan war for the control of the planet never existed, mainly because Toei depicted the Saiyan race as barbarians when they fought the Tsufuru-jin, when according to what Vegeta said, the had been traveling through space even before they arrived to Planet Vegeta.

Tsufurians are a Toriyama creation, he even referenced it a couple of years ago. And the Planet Sadla stuff does not contradict that, it does contradict the stuff in GT as there their homeplanet is Planet Saiya (can't really recall, if that was stated in the show).

[Israelite Wolfman]

For example, the entire Baby arc is based on the whole tsufuru-jin thing, that was creation of Toei itself. In the episode of Bardock we saw that the planet Vegeta was inhabited by the Plant people and in the Champa arc, when Vegeta meets Cabba, he says that their original home was planet Salad and they later traveled to planet Vegeta when their home planet disappeared. So, in a few words, the whole Tsufuru-Saiyan war for the control of the planet never existed, mainly because Toei depicted the Saiyan race as barbarians when they fought the Tsufuru-jin, when according to what Vegeta said, the had been traveling through space even before they arrived to Planet Vegeta.

Other things that come to mind are the enemies that appear in the Super 17 arc, many being from the movies and OVAs and the whole depiction of Hell, that also is a creation of Toei and is very different from what we saw in the ROF arc.

Lets not mention RoF arc, it literally sucked balls. It had the potential to fix the movie's flaws (like Yamcha & Chiaotzu to tag in as well against the fodder Frieza soldiers) and add a lot of important details into it but they chose not to. About Cabba's statement in the Champa arc, he said that the Saiyans from Universe 6 never left their home planet, Sadla, that was known as Saiya in the GT PERFECT FILES, after Vegeta stated his Universe 7 Saiyans stole a planet (from the Tuffles) after their Sadla was destroyed in an inner conflict and named it Vegeta after their leader (his father), the only contradiction there was when he said they used to wear clothes similar to Cabba's before being annexed into Frieza's Army despite we saw them wearing barbarians' fur like clothings.

[PsionicWarrior]

There's nothing to retcon as GT isn't canon and never was.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

t does contradict the stuff in GT as there their homeplanet is Planet Saiya (can't really recall, if that was stated in the show).

Not the case, there was never a "Planet Saiya".

The home planet referenced in DBS is planet Sadala (Salad), which was the previous Saiyan home. It was destroyed by a Saiyan civil war, so the remaining Saiyans decided to flee and steal Planet Tsufru

In GT, Baby wishes back the home planet Tsufru (Vegeta, Plant). This is the planet that the Saiyans conquered after abandoning Sadala.

[dbgtFO]

t does contradict the stuff in GT as there their homeplanet is Planet Saiya (can't really recall, if that was stated in the show).

Not the case, there was never a "Planet Saiya"..

So it's only in the gt guidebook a "Planet saiya" is speculated about, as I had a suspicion about, gotcha.

[Ki Breaker]

Nobody should have a problem to recton something which dosen't exist..

[TheMikado]

Here is what I will say. I brought this up back in the Champa arc when I said LSSJ will make an appearance in Super. Everyone including the admins said things like " It will never happen, that's not a real form, Toriyama doesn't care about that, that's not canon, that sucks they will never include it" etc.

I've said it before and I will say it again. Super, in my opinion is first and foremost a corporate product. It's as if they reviews their most profitable products and characters and made sure to include them in the show, further they made sure to get Toriyamas involvement for name recognition and to "canonize" it.

What Toei wants, Toei will get. If it profitable to the international market Toei will capitalize on it. VHS + DVD sales of Broly and GT movies actual out ranked even Z if I remember properly.

In terms of financial success we do not have official word on Super specific products yet, however it has certainly helped the resurgence of DB material, figures such as Broly and SSJ4 however still sell very high.

Anyway, my point being is I've predicted they will somehow destroy this current timeline with Beerus since RoF. We now are presented with a storyline where 11 universes will be destroyed. I do not believe this is a narrative coincidence and sets the stage for what I believe will frustrate many hardcore canonists. They will make EoZ canon by retconting Goku meeting Beerus. Make EoZ canon and by extension GT.

The intend may not be to keep GT, but to prevent cries of non canon of Super from the loud canonist base should they overwrite EoZ. As for GT this is a show which they have already produced and is currently in syndication in some parts of the world. From a business stand point it's easy money that they can continue to milk while developing new material. It obvious the artistic integrity of the product is less important than the profit margins from the way the show and it's production has been handled thus far. In my opinion GT will continue to exist for if nothing else other than financial reasons and it little to do with the quality of either GT nor Super. No one "cares" about GT or Super in the corporate office, only that the products generate revenue which GT has consistently done for them, possibly even more so than the original Dragonball series.