Araki wrote:HeroR wrote:Not completely true. They love Luffy and he is far more selfish than Goku in many aspects.
Also, Goku did learn his lesson in Resurrection 'F'. Don't spare monsters like Freeza. He's still working on not dropping his guard during battle, which he hasn't done lately. He even swallowed his pride and worked and even fused with Vegeta.
Hmm, Luffy may be more "selfish" in some aspects, but he fits the bill of the "hero who fights for the sake of others" way more than Goku does. Sure, the way he's acting in regard to the current Sanji situation, for instance, can be seen as very selfish, but when it comes to his beliefs and friends, Luffy's pretty much a martyr. I don't think Goku was ever that idealist. The most in common they have is that both don't like to be labeled as heroes, but that is not an uncommon trait for modern shonen protagonists.
As for Goku not learning anything, i was talking about the RoF script only, and the way he reacts to the whole thing in the end - we're not 100% sure Vegeto was written in by Toriyama yet, after all. We're not actually disagreeing though, i'm pretty sure Toriyama wants Goku to remain a flawed person.
Luffy is more selfish in that he only helps people closed to him. He doesn't bother to help people who are too weak to defend or save themselves, while Goku would bother since he tends to believe that being strong means you're supposed to help those weaker than you, even if he doesn't go out of his way to do it, la Superman. Luffy is a martyr once he decides that your his friend and will take up your cost even if it kills him. Or even if you tell him to go away. To used an example, Luffy only helped Fishman Island because he became friends with the princes and Jimbei, not so much the people. Goku would helped Fishman Island cause the people taking it over are sociopaths murdering people (he may do it for the fight, but giving how weak Hordy is, I can't see Goku bothering this in this aspect). Luffy is the embodiment of selfish love.
Also, to be clear, when I say selfish, I mean selfish in ways like being unwilling to share his food, stealing other people's food, completely unwilling to listen to others, and utterly reckless in ways that would stun even Goku since Luffy will most of the time purposely put his friends in harms way for adventure (pirates and all), while Goku's recklessness isn't meant to hurt anyone but himself. He doesn't like when his recklessness drags in other people, while Luffy, not so much.
Also, I don't think Goku ever said he didn't like being called a hero, correct me if I am wrong.
Aw, I see where you're coming from. I thought you meant Goku didn't learn at all, while at least in Super, Goku has learn from his failings in Resurrection 'F' for the most part. But I guess we won't be sure unless he tries to spare someone again or lower his guard.
