Kid Buu's Power Level in Dragon Ball Super SO FAR...

[Israelite Wolfman]

Since we know Fat/Mr. Buu is weaker than Kid Buu and that Mister Buu is strong enough to withstand Universe 9's Basil, I thought it'd be cool to check out Kid Buu's power level in Super so far. I'd like to see where people place this crazy Majin (who was only to be stopped by Goku after gathering energy from all of Earth, Namek & Kaioshins and still having to go SSJ for the kill) at with all these new adventures we have been introduced to (BoG, RoF, U6, Future Trunks Saga etc.). Since it's obvious he pose no threat to Beerus or Whis, I'd like to see where people rank his power level in comparison to characters from the beginning of DBS to Universal Survival arc. For example: I'd say that SSJ Rose Goku Black at his best is a 100 (random number to set a range) so Kid Buu should be a 3 in this scale of comparison.



If you believe Kid Buu is weaker than Super Buu and his extension forms or want to refer to Huge Buu (a state Kid Buu got to after absorbing Southern Supreme Kai) instead of Kid Buu then I won't mind you'll use any of them as a factor in the comparison instead, I personally think Kid Buu is stronger as Goku's line of "his power and speed are in a totally other level than before" after he transformed to Kid Buu.

I believe the most noticeable characters you can compare him (whichever form you'd like) in your scale are these: 1. Chief Moginaian = Seems to me like he's in the Namek Saga Frieza & SSJ Goku's tier AT BEST (with a lot of generosity), Beerus finger-flicked him out, Buu would have to ONE PUNCH him.
2. BoG Vegeta & Goku (not SSJ God) = I think it's safe to say that whether it had been 6 months since his defeat or 4 years by then Kid Buu would still win (Maybe SSJ 2 "THAT'S MY BULMA!!!" Vegeta could go toe to toe with him but will lose due to not having infinite stamina like the Majin).
3. Goku & Vegeta (base form with God Ki) = IMPROVED DRAMATICALLY, many times over to match Final Form Frieza in RoF and kept getting stronger, vaporize Kid Buu IMO.
4. Piccolo (in the U6 Tournament & onwards) = Kid Buu would win as it seems even Fat Buu is stronger by Piccolo.
5. Gohan (same as Piccolo) = Kid Buu would win due to Gohan not surpassing his Ultimate Prime IMO.
6. Gotenks (base to SSJ3) = Gotenks would lose if you ask me.

And even to warriors, who some at hindsight didn't seemed much (not the 1000 Frieza fodders army), yet gave some harsh times for Saiyans (even these with God ki) like:
7. Shisami (Resurrection 'F' movie) = Buu steaks him in any form.
8. Tagoma ("Body of Steel") = would lose, he's most likely Semi-Perfect or Perfect Cell's tier.
9. Ginyu-Tagoma = would lose, looks like he's slightly above Super Perfect Cell IMO.
10. 1st Form Frieza (after 4 months of training) to his Final Form = I believe his first form is weaker than Super Buu, his later transformations would erase Buu. Not to mention Golden Frieza who was slightly stronger than both Goku & Vegeta in their Super Saiyan Blue forms (Resurrection 'F' is a fucked up story).
11. Botamo = seems to me like he's Fat Buu's tier, thus he'd lose.
12. Frost (forms 1,3,4) = would win only with his final form IMO.
13. Auta Mageta = would lose if Kid Buu would taunt him.
14. Cabba = would win only if he goes SSJ.
15. Hit = Time-Skips to victory.
16. Copy-Gryll = Despite the fact both Gryll and his henchmen were weak, this Super Human Water being who took their powers is enough to scare Goten & Trunks, still: would lose.
17. Copy-Vegeta = wouldn't even need to go SSB to win.
18. Zamasu = withstood a much more powerful than Kid Buu Saga SSJ 2 Goku, wins against Kid Buu without breaking a sweat.
19. Black = chews the NINGEN bubblegum away.
20. Babarians = Seems like Recoome can erase them, Kid Buu wipes them with ease.
21. Future Zamasu = Seems to me as he was stronger than his present counterpart. Not to mention his immortality also helps him to overcome Buu.
22. Merged Zamasu = again: This Fusion wins without effort.
23. Watagash with Barry Kahn = would lose, maybe could win if he'll find a better/stronger host.
24. Basil = would lose as THE CURRENT weaker Majin Buu ends up victorious despite the kicker fox's transformation.

I hope to keep this thread updated through the Universe Survival Arc!

Based upon this: https://www.reddit.com/r/dbz/comments/5 ... er_so_far/

[Cetra]

I am fairly certain that Zamasu - at least while fighting in the Kaioushin realm, would not be powerful enough to beat Kid Boo.

[Israelite Wolfman]

I am fairly certain that Zamasu - at least while fighting in the Kaioushin realm, would not be powerful enough to beat Kid Boo.

Goku's base by the time of meeting Zamasu was much much stronger than in the Kid Buu Saga and he had to go SSJ 2 (x100 multiplier) to fight Zamasu which ended with Zamasu still alive, so that's what led me to believe he's stronger than Kid Buu.

[HybridSaiyan]

Zamasu is a little pansy, no way he can defeat kid buu lol.

[IKevinX]

Kid Buu is still no pushover.

It's still unclear if Hit would be able to deal damage to the Majin kind given he only uses melee attacks. Since we've never seen him use a ki blast. Though it's safe to assume Hit would have something to kill the unkillable since he kills things for 1000years. Probably being to one who killed the Buu's variant of Universe 6.
Also no way that Zamasu beats Kid Buu, but unlike Hit. Zamasu doesn't have the stupidly high power advantage. Probably weaker.

Much like the rest of U6. I don't see any of them beating Mr.Buu, let alone Kid Buu.

A pickle is Frieza. Or rather, which Form from the revived Freeza would be toe to toe with Kid Buu. I would say he would need the 2nd form AT MOST. Probably being able to beat Kid Buu in his first form.

[Freeza9000]

I honestly have a hard time comprehending how in the world people would think that Kid Boo can beat Zamasu. Zamasu took on a SSJ2 Goku post BOG and that would put him tremendously above the likes of Boo.

[Lord Frieza]

Well it all depends, how strong is SS3 Goku at the start of Super? About the same or a bit Stronger?

Either way Kid Buu for all his power would be no match for Beerus even at less then 1% of his full power. He'd have little trouble taking care of Kid Buu.

SSG's power boost apparently trumps at least Goku/Vegeta fusion + SS transformation, so Kid Buu ain't got a chance there either.

Also for all the people who have ever said Buu can just absorb these characters...the ki of kaioshin weakens Buu. Thats God Ki. Can you even imagine the power drain that would be caused by trying to absorb SSG Goku or Beerus, it might even be enough to push him to zero and kill him.

While Hit's fighting style would not be as effective against Buu in theory, the guy is so powerful that, like Vegito and Beerus, his attack will eventual were down Buu's regeneration to the point he can be killed. Also with his time abilities and gigantic power gap, Hit's got all the time in the world to kill Buu and at no point be in danger himself, save possible absorption.

The same goes for Golden Frieza, hell his final form alone should be enough since its power was comparable to Goku's post SSG and Whis's Training.

And that leads us to Zamasu, just base Zamasu. At the point Goku battled him as a SS2, we had previously seen base form Copy-Vegeta (who has all the powers of regular Vegeta) beat the crap out of SS3 Gotenks with little or no efforts on his part, in fact he didn't even transform. And before anyone tries to say it, there has been no mention of Goten and Trunks getting weaker like Gohan has. The fact they can still pull off SS3 as Gotenks is proof enough of that. Taking that into account, even this early Zamasu would be capable of beating Kid Buu by himself.

[Hugo Boss]

A pickle is Frieza. Or rather, which Form from the revived Freeza would be toe to toe with Kid Buu. I would say he would need the 2nd form AT MOST. Probably being able to beat Kid Buu in his first form.

In my opinion, Freeza's 2nd form is a match for Boo. He probably would need his 3rd form to beat him, though. I came to this conclusion after realizing that his 1st form is supposed to be in a realm above Super Saiyan, like Super Saiyan 2 and so on. Then, his 2nd form would be more or less in the realm between Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 3, perhaps close to Super Saiyan 3.

I honestly have a hard time comprehending how in the world people would think that Kid Boo can beat Zamasu. Zamasu took on a SSJ2 Goku post BOG and that would put him tremendously above the likes of Boo.

It's possible either way. Some people think Goku was somewhere in a realm not so drastic different from when he fought Boo, so Zamasu could be beaten. Specially in the manga, it doesn't feel like Zamasu can beat Boo. In the anime though, it's very possible Zamasu is quite more powerful than the manga implies, giving that Goku even compares him to Beerus (perhaps the level Beerus fought him with).

[HybridSaiyan]

Ah yes God Ki. No wonder anyone who possesses it instantly defeats a character without it. It's like Naruto and that Senju DNA lol.

Zamasu was shown nothing that resembles a great fighter/ martial artist. All he has is that Salza blade thing? His combat style sucks and he's boring to watch.

Kid Buu has tons of techniques up his sleeve, an interesting and threatening combat style with his long range punches and kicks. Variety of powerful energy blasts, and absorption.

Honestly, Kid Buu would wreck Zamasu if if weren't for the god ki nonsense.

[Lord Frieza]

Ah yes God Ki. No wonder anyone who possesses it instantly defeats a character without it. It's like Naruto and that Senju DNA lol.

Zamasu was shown nothing that resembles a great fighter/ martial artist. All he has is that Salza blade thing? His combat style sucks and he's boring to watch.

Kid Buu has tons of techniques up his sleeve, an interesting and threatening combat style with his long range punches and kicks. Variety of powerful energy blasts, and absorption.

Honestly, Kid Buu would wreck Zamasu if if weren't for the god ki nonsense.

Its got nothing to do with god ki, it's primarily the gigantic gap in power. I don't see anyone trying to say King Piccolo could take Vegeta or Frieza or Cell.

All those little techniques and combat style mean literally jack when your enemies have such a gigantic lead in power, can Kid Buu beat Buu Saga Vegito? Because if he can't he isen't even close to matching SSG Goku, let alone any big threat after the Beerus arc.

As for god ki...god ki has existed since the Buu arc. Kaioshin cannot be sensed and their ki makes Buu weaker, Babidi himself said they could not use kaioshin ki to revive Buu. Well thats God Ki, Kaioshin have it (that includes Zamasu btw), Beerus has it and so dose any SSG from. Buu was significantly weakened from Kid Buu state to Fat Buu with the ki of just 2 Kaioshin, what do you think would happen if he tried it on someone like Beerus?

Sorry Kid Buu may have been a big threat bad in U7 but he's got nothing on Beerus and is actually far from the biggest fish in the ocean that is the multiverse. Kid Buu is a Great White. But whats a Great White to an Orca, a Giant Squid, a Sperm Whale, a Kronosaurus or Megaladon?

Kid Buu VS Super = Destruction

[LowRyder2005]

Kaioshins' ki makes Buu weaker

Uhm... that's not really a stated fact. Quite some people would disagree.

[IKevinX]

If Kid Buu's power wasn't shrouded in crazyness.. The debates wouldn't exist.

His power in this thread basically depends if you believe or not in the two base theory. And also in how much stronger Goku and Vegeta got from their Buu Saga level. Which is something still unclear.

[Hugo Boss]

Kaioshins' ki makes Buu weaker

Uhm... that's not really a stated fact. Quite some people would disagree.

Count on me. I think the Kaioshins just make Boo become like themselves, altering his personality and character. The Pure Boo is like a force of nature, reckless and umpredictable, which can make him more troublesome than the other Boos, not necessarily more powerful.

[Lord Frieza]

Kaioshins' ki makes Buu weaker

Uhm... that's not really a stated fact. Quite some people would disagree.

Count on me. I think the Kaioshins just make Boo more like themselves, altering his personality and character. The Pure Boo is more like a force of nature, reckless and umpredictable, which can make him more troublesome than the other Boos, not necessarily more powerful.

The ki of a Kaioshin cannot be used to revive Buu, that is fact. Why? Is there any reason the energy of a kaioshin would be any less effective if all it did was make Buu less chaostic?

And how dose a change in nature drop Buu's Power from matching SS3 Goku as Kid Buu to being weak enough as fat Buu (befor any splitting up) for Goku to be shore that he could have killed him as a SS3?

Buu's power, regeneration and natural talent for fighting do not go away just becuse he's gone form mindless killing machine to destructive child.

[bleed0range]

Personally, I think people are severely underestimating Kid Boo. Zamasu could not have beat him, no way. He wasn't even a match for Goku. While I believe SSJ God or Blue could defeat Boo... I think that's about it. Besides Beerus of course.

I'm personally not convinced Goku's base is really all that changed from before. So I think he would still need to transform to defeat Kid Boo.

The only ones I think could beat him are:
- SSJ Blue Goku/Vegeta
- Black
- Beerus
- Whis
- Hit (maybe, but I don't think he could actually defeat him given his magical properties).
- Merged Zamasu

Otherwise, I think he's still above everyone else. He is Magic with limitless ki and stamina plus a body that can contort, stretch and regenerate. He is nearly invincible.

[Lord Frieza]

Base Copy-Vegeta beat Gotenks. It is never stated or shown anywhere that Gotenks grown weaker since the Buu arc. Gotenks is stronger then both SS3 Goku and Kid Buu during the Buu arc.



Base Goku and Copy-Vegeta roughly equal in power.



Goke went Super Saiyan 2 right of the bat when he challenged Zamasu.

You cannot need more proof then that to show even Zamasu is more then strong enough to kill Kid Buu.

[bleed0range]

The silly thing about that argument is how inconsistent Super is with power levels. Goku has always fought plenty of people in his base before going SSJ. They're just continuing the trend which you can infer that the other person is just not being serious yet so it's not a good way to judge power.

Although Gotenks is strong, he's never beaten anyone because he is a child who is awful at fighting and actually properly utilizing that power. So it's sort of a moot point.

Goku going SSJ2 doesn't mean much since Kid Boo can easily fight and defeat that level of power.

Zamasu by himself beat Kid Boo? I don't think he could beat him. He might be able to put up a fight.

[Doctor.]

Well, when Dragon Ball ended, Kid Boo wasn't the strongest character in the series. There were a number of characters that could beat him.

1. Goku (potentially)
2. Gotenks
3. Gohan
4. Vegetto
5. Super Boo

Two are fusions, one is another form of his and one we're unsure of, so, realistically, we can only use Gohan as a valid argument for a character being stronger than Kid Boo by the end of the series. Super brings us a lot of characters stronger than him, though.

1. Beerus & other Gods of Destruction
2. Whis & other angels
3. The Omni-kings
4. Merged Zamasu, Black and future Zamasu (potentially, his battle power is wonky to scale)
5. Goku and Vegeta
6. Future Trunks
7. Freeza
8. Hit (assuming he can use ki blasts, which is the most logical assumption)
9. Copy-Vegeta or the Super God Water in general
10. Gotenks (once again)
11. Vegetto

And we may add Gohan to that list, assuming he retains his ultimate power-up, along with the new characters of the Tournament of Power in the future. He has descended a bit in the foodchain. Super's powerscalling is terrible, so I subscribe to the "two-base theory" in all its nonsensical glory to make sense of the nonsense Toei and Toriyama have presented us.

[MagmonKai]

Shouldn't this belong in the Power level discussion thread?

[Hugo Boss]

Uhm... that's not really a stated fact. Quite some people would disagree.

Count on me. I think the Kaioshins just make Boo more like themselves, altering his personality and character. The Pure Boo is more like a force of nature, reckless and umpredictable, which can make him more troublesome than the other Boos, not necessarily more powerful.

The ki of a Kaioshin cannot be used to revive Buu, that is fact. Why? Is there any reason the energy of a kaioshin would be any less effective if all it did was make Buu less chaostic?

And how dose a change in nature drop Buu's Power from matching SS3 Goku as Kid Buu to being weak enough as fat Buu (befor any splitting up) for Goku to be shore that he could have killed him as a SS3?

Buu's power, regeneration and natural talent for fighting do not go away just becuse he's gone form mindless killing machine to destructive child.

The fact that God ki can't be used to revive Boo doesn't mean it has to lower his power. The South Kaioshin, for example, it's not implied to have weaken Boo at all and the Great Kaioshin did because his heart tamed Boo, that's what I remember.