Goku becoming Evil

[TBMx]

Why would you be worried about this being Goku being "naive" and rather than evil when he hasn't done anything that makes him evil. If anything, it should be shown that this all started from a man's selfish need to satisfy his thirst for battle. Beerus probably should ban him, but we know that isn't happening.

Beerus - You just killed 11 universes!

Goku - We just have to win! (while smiling)

Psychopath confirmed.

[SansrivaaL]

How people thinks Goku is evil, he will kill a lot more than Freeza because of this tournament.
Ask yourselves this question, who's the one that will actually do the destroying? definitely not Goku, who was the one that wanted to put stakes in a tournament? not Goku, now what has Goku really done? remind a friend of a tournament, that and only that.
You guys have a knack for twisting things.

[TBMx]

How people thinks Goku is evil, he will kill a lot more than Freeza because of this tournament.
Ask yourselves this question, who's the one that will actually do the destroying? definitely not Goku, who was the one that wanted to put stakes in a tournament? not Goku, now what has Goku really done? remind a friend of a tournament, that and only that.
You guys have a knack for twisting things.

I'm amazed you can't see the basis for calling Goku evil. What fanboyism.

Goku was warned numerous times and ignored it. And when it turns out as Beerus said it would, he doesn't care and tells Gohan he feels like he's being nagged. He's smiling less than a minute after learning that this tournament will cost the lives of trillions. Saying as long as he wins it'll be alright. Disgusting character.

And it's fine to be a disgusting character. Interesting in fact. If that's intentional. And if he learns from his comeuppance.

If it's just Goku's naive and pure, he's blameless and still the hero with the big win, then that is ruins the character. Naivety only excuses so much. Then it makes Beerus and Whis look like shit for keeping this dangerous idiot around still and for leaving him with that button. It rapes the internal logic of these characters.

[SansrivaaL]

How people thinks Goku is evil, he will kill a lot more than Freeza because of this tournament.
Ask yourselves this question, who's the one that will actually do the destroying? definitely not Goku, who was the one that wanted to put stakes in a tournament? not Goku, now what has Goku really done? remind a friend of a tournament, that and only that.
You guys have a knack for twisting things.

I'm amazed you can't see the basis for calling Goku evil. What fanboyism.

Goku was warned numerous times and ignored it. And when it turns out as Beerus said it would, he doesn't care and tells Gohan he feels like he's being nagged. He's smiling less than a minute after learning that this tournament will cost the lives of trillions. Saying as long as he wins it'll be alright. Disgusting character.

And it's fine to be a disgusting character. Interesting in fact. If that's intentional. And if he learns from his comeuppance.

If it's just Goku's naive and pure, he's blameless and still the hero with the big win, then that is ruins the character. Naivety only excuses so much. Then it makes Beerus and Whis look like shit for keeping this dangerous idiot around still and for leaving him with that button. It rapes the internal logic of these characters.

And I'm amazed for treating me as a fanboy just because I see the events different from your twisted mind, read my post again, ask yourself those questions, stop twisting the events just to make Goku the bad guy.

He was warned, so what? the warning came from Beerus who treats him as a pawn, Whis who he has no emotional attachment, oh and did I mention Beerus already warned him about Zeno destroying him if he doesnt show respect to Zeno? and what happened? Beerus was wrong, Zeno even wanted Goku as a friend. Its hard to take suffs from a guy full of bs. Goku clearly said he will take responsibility for it, so he doesnt want anymore nagging whats so wrong with that? but ofc, in your twisted mind Goku's the one doing the killing/destroying while having a great laugh with it.

[TBMx]

And I'm amazed for treating me as a fanboy just because I see the events different from your twisted mind

You completely ignore Goku's culpability and his psychopathic reaction, fanboy.

, read my post again, ask yourself those questions, stop twisting the events just to make Goku the bad guy.

There is no twisting involved.

He was warned, so what?

So he knows the danger and still did it anyway.

the warning came from Beerus who treats him as a pawn, Whis who he has no emotional attachment, oh and did I mention Beerus already warned him about Zeno destroying him if he doesnt show respect to Zeno? and what happened? Beerus was wrong, Zeno even wanted Goku as a friend.

That was before Goku saw Zeno in action, seen first hand how indiscriminate and dangerous he is. He acknowledges this himself in ep 77. "I know, I saw him do it right in front of me" This was in response to Beerus saying that innocence makes him dangerous and Whis saying he has the power to erase the universe itself. Goku then casually remarks "It'll be fine". The man was warned and saw Zeno erase first hand. Zeno in fact was about to erase him if he didn't escape in the time machine. The same future Zeno sitting on that throne right now WHO IS NOT HIS FRIEND. the way the present Zeno is.

Its hard to take suffs from a guy full of bs.

Isn't it though?

Goku clearly said he will take responsibility for it,

He was shocked that Beerus demanded it. He said "TAKE RESPONSIBILITY!?" Then started smiling about how all he has to do is win. Psychopath.

so he doesnt want anymore nagging whats so wrong with that?

Are you being serious right now? Trillions of lives are at stake and Goku doesn't want to be nagged about it. He wants to keep smiling and thinking about "strong guys". Justifying that is twisted. Twisted mind.

[VegettoEX]

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[SansrivaaL]

And I'm amazed for treating me as a fanboy just because I see the events different from your twisted mind

You completely ignore Goku's culpability and his psychopathic reaction, fanboy.

, read my post again, ask yourself those questions, stop twisting the events just to make Goku the bad guy.

There is no twisting involved.

He was warned, so what?

So he knows the danger and still did it anyway.

the warning came from Beerus who treats him as a pawn, Whis who he has no emotional attachment, oh and did I mention Beerus already warned him about Zeno destroying him if he doesnt show respect to Zeno? and what happened? Beerus was wrong, Zeno even wanted Goku as a friend.

That was before Goku saw Zeno in action, seen first hand how indiscriminate and dangerous he is. He acknowledges this himself in ep 77. "I know, I saw him do it right in front of me" This was in response to Beerus saying that innocence makes him dangerous and Whis saying he has the power to erase the universe itself. Goku then casually remarks "It'll be fine". The man was warned and saw Zeno erase first hand. Zeno in fact was about to erase him if he didn't escape in the time machine. The same future Zeno sitting on that throne right now WHO IS NOT HIS FRIEND. the way the present Zeno is.

Its hard to take suffs from a guy full of bs.

Isn't it though?

Goku clearly said he will take responsibility for it,

He was shocked that Beerus demanded it. He said "TAKE RESPONSIBILITY!?" Then started smiling about how all he has to do is win. Psychopath.

so he doesnt want anymore nagging whats so wrong with that?

Are you being serious right now? Trillions of lives are at stake and Goku doesn't want to be nagged about it. He wants to keep smiling and thinking about "strong guys". Justifying that is twisted. Twisted mind.

He reacted and said "Even I didnt know things would turn out this way" later says yes he will take responsibility, what else do you want? him to emote like your typical shonen protag? drama his way out of it? pull a talk no jutsu/nakama speech or any of that? Goku took it like a man, calling me a fanboy is quite rude but if it helps your ego then by all means.

Uh yes there is a lot of twisting involved in your part.

He didnt know the danger, he clearly said even he didnt know things would turn out this way.

That was future Zeno's action, the Zeno that he's planned on talking to was the one he knows, his friend.

Well yes, if you have common sense all you have to do is win and later wish for the revival of the universes that got destroyed, simple enough right.

Yes I am being serious, trillions of lives at stake because of Zeno, all he has to do is win and gain a wish from the super dragon balls.

[Sodhi]

Good luck selling this Goku being evil idea to kids who watch it at 9am timeslot in Japan. Plus Goku is even the ambassador of 2020 Tokyo Olympic, which should tell how people view him in Japan and how badly this idea will fail.

[Xeztin]

Goku's obsession with fighting could lead to him being the most dangerous person of all creation when he puts others in danger. I wouldn't say he would be evil, but his naive way of going about things just to start a fight could very well kill himself and everyone around him. I mean he took a hit out on himself which almost got him killed. Now we have this tournament.

[MarcBigleague]

Don't you guys see? We've always complained about Z Goku being too-alike Superman. So now we're getting Batman. As we saw in episode 77, Goku upgraded his tractor. In addition, he now has a handheld device to teleport him to other dimensions rather than using his powers. I personally think this upgrade of the tractor and the Zen-O remote is Toriyama's skewing of the series for Goku to become more reliant on gadgets.

Also, Goku isn't becoming "evil". He's becoming an anti-hero like Batman and this will help make Dragon Ball into a great seinen series!