Is it possible for Z Goku to only be at 416?

[TheUltimateNinja]

Those 180 and 260 numbers don't really make sense.

180: If Goku and Tien were 180, then they would be stronger than BOZ Yamcha's 177, and 23rd Yamcha could see Weighted Goku's speed that was equal to Young King Piccolo, yet 22nd Goku couldn't to Old King Piccolo.

260: It's strangely over BOZ Tien's 250 which has to be stronger than 23rd Tien, who is stated to be stronger than Young King Piccolo. King Piccolo at best has to be somewhere above BOZ Krillin's 206.

Although I have to think that it would be better for the 416 number to be raised at least to a 600. I don't think we should raise it that high to the 1,000's since it's too close to Raditz's 1,200.

Raditz should be raised too, his official power level is 1,500 after all. Though even that may be too low since would only have a 1.5x advantage over Goku.

[dragonball0900]

Those 180 and 260 numbers don't really make sense.

180: If Goku and Tien were 180, then they would be stronger than BOZ Yamcha's 177, and 23rd Yamcha could see Weighted Goku's speed that was equal to Young King Piccolo, yet 22nd Goku couldn't to Old King Piccolo.

260: It's strangely over BOZ Tien's 250 which has to be stronger than 23rd Tien, who is stated to be stronger than Young King Piccolo. King Piccolo at best has to be somewhere above BOZ Krillin's 206.

Although I have to think that it would be better for the 416 number to be raised at least to a 600. I don't think we should raise it that high to the 1,000's since it's too close to Raditz's 1,200.

Raditz should be raised too, his official power level is 1,500 after all. Though even that may be too low since would only have a 1.5x advantage over Goku.

I find the 1,500 reading erroneous too considering Raditz was scared of a 1,330 power, and was nearly defeated by a 1,307 level of power from Gohan. But I agree that it has to be raised too.

[Lord Beerus]

The numbers given at the beginning of DBZ are doo doo. They're way too slow with the implied gaps in OG Dragon Ball... for example, one WSJ power level sheet has 22nd Budokai Goku at 180 and Piccolo Daimao at 260 when Goku during their first fight was utterly helpless against an Elderly Piccolo Daimao who was using less than half his true power. Daimao's number also has him higher than Tien (250) at the beginning of DBZ when Tien was outright stated and shown to have surpassed Daimao during the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai.

And don't get me started with the whole Piccolo at 3500, Kami only being 220, Mr. Popo being 1080, and so on bullshit.

Ugh, those numbers irk me, especially in that they have Kami listed as being weaker than Piccolo Daimao, when Kami was clearly shown and stated to be stronger. I hate the concept of power levels so damn much.

It wouldn't be so bad if the people making them actually read the damn manga. This includes Toriyama since if he just made Z Goku's power level 1,000+ we wouldn't have to make things such tight fits. "416 sounds like a pretty high number!" was probably all the thought he put into Goku's power level.

And this why you shouldn't invest so much time in Battle Powers. The concept is fundamentally broken and can ruin a lot of your enjoyment of the story if you take them seriously.

[Tsufuru]

whats with toriyama and numbers ,anyways.

it seems like he cant tell the diffrence between numbers.
also he still has vegeta freakin POST whis training unable to lift 1000 tons as a super saiyan in the dbs manga.
he had krillin struggling to lift 22 kg shoes when he casualy had 40 kg on his back more than 3 years before.
also how the hell does removing not not even a 100 kg weight clothes make your power level go from 300 to 400.
it doesnt make sense when you think of the feats they did in dragonball.
toriyama should simply stop using numbers.period.