"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:22 pm

HeroR wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote: I don't understand what you mean. Zamasu didn't want Goku's body just because he saw it on GodTube.
His reasoning basically boils down to seeing a powerful mortal, getting triggered, and then deciding to take their body.
No, he heard about the mortal who defeated Majin Boo, an enemy the Kaioshin couldn't defeat, and saw him in action through GodTube, where he saw exactly how strong he was & that he had even obtained the power of gods. All while he was questioning the duties of the gods & seeing that most of the mortals bring death & destruction to the beautiful universe. So, he decided to kill the other gods & mortals by obtaining the most powerful mortal body he knew. The difference between the anime & manga is that the anime made it more personal by having Zamasu fight & lose to Goku, but this is something that the anime added, not something that Toyotaro omitted.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by TheMikado » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:30 pm

HeroR wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote: I don't understand what you mean. Zamasu didn't want Goku's body just because he saw it on GodTube.
His reasoning basically boils down to seeing a powerful mortal, getting triggered, and then deciding to take their body.
That's probably all that was in the outline, the whole Zamasu fight was probably a Toei idea.

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Post by HeroR » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:35 pm

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What if Zamasu was perplexed by seeing Goku interacting and befriending Zeno on GodTube, a mere mortal with the audacity of being so casual with the powerful (and creepy) Zeno.
But Zamasu never even mentions Zen'o.
DBZGTKOSDH wrote: No, he heard about the mortal who defeated Majin Boo, an enemy the Kaioshin couldn't defeat, and saw him in action through GodTube, where he saw exactly how strong he was & that he had even obtained the power of gods. All while he was questioning the duties of the gods & seeing that most of the mortals bring death & destruction to the beautiful universe. So, he decided to kill the other gods & mortals by obtaining the most powerful mortal body he knew. The difference between the anime & manga is that the anime made it more personal by having Zamasu fight & lose to Goku, but this is something that the anime added, not something that Toyotaro omitted.
I read the chapters myself. Don't need you to summarize for me. He basically took over Goku's body 'powerful mortal'.

And you're assuming the anime added stuff. Unless you have seen the outline, you really need to stop saying that. Especially when all Toyotaro said he tried not to skip key details.
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precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
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Post by mabalia » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:13 pm

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mabalia wrote:
What if Zamasu was perplexed by seeing Goku interacting and befriending Zeno on GodTube, a mere mortal with the audacity of being so casual with the powerful (and creepy) Zeno.
But Zamasu never even mentions Zen'o.
But he watched the Tournament on GodTube, so we know that Zamasu saw their interaction. If Gods of Destruction were shocked and afraid with Goku and Zeno, Zamasu would be angered and revolted. I don't think the manga will mention this reflection from Zamasu, but we know that he's aware of Goku's "friendship" with Zeno.

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Post by HeroR » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:21 pm

mabalia wrote:
But he watched the Tournament on GodTube, so we know that Zamasu saw their interaction. If Gods of Destruction were shocked and afraid with Goku and Zeno, Zamasu would be angered and revolted. I don't think the manga will mention this reflection from Zamasu, but we know that he's aware of Goku's "friendship" with Zeno.
As far as we know, he only watched Goku's fights. Goku's interaction with Zen'o is not touched upon.
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precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

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Post by Dai-Saiyajin » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:49 pm

Wow, if this arc is going to have more 2-3 chapters, the multiversal tournament will start only in may or june, and judging by the stakes, it will be longer than Goku black arc, so, when it will end? 2019?

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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:55 pm

Dai-Saiyajin wrote:Wow, if this arc is going to have more 2-3 chapters, the multiversal tournament will start only in may or june, and judging by the stakes, it will be longer than Goku black arc, so, when it will end? 2019?
Do we even care at this point? As long as he's putting out a good product, I'll buy it, and he definitely is as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Dai-Saiyajin » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:01 pm

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Dai-Saiyajin wrote:Wow, if this arc is going to have more 2-3 chapters, the multiversal tournament will start only in may or june, and judging by the stakes, it will be longer than Goku black arc, so, when it will end? 2019?
Do we even care at this point? As long as he's putting out a good product, I'll buy it, and he definitely is as far as I'm concerned.
But the publication is getting too behind, the anime arc started in february and the manga arc will start around may/june, it's just too much. If they only release 2 chapters/month for the next 3 or 4 months...

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Post by The gr » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:07 pm

Can we all agree with something,screw v jump with that monthly schedule,like I wish the manga was biweekly but I'm siding with mule here I'm glad we're having a decent product and not a souless rush job
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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:08 pm

Dai-Saiyajin wrote:But the publication is getting too behind
The comment you responded to said "Do we even care?", I don't. At this point, I don't care if he's years behind. I literally have no hype for any of the new material.
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Post by Dai-Saiyajin » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:11 pm

The gr wrote:Can we all agree with something,screw v jump with that monthly schedule
I don't understand why they do not move DBS to weekly shonen jump, even if it's give small chapters, it will be more pages than a monthly publication.

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Post by The gr » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:14 pm

Dai-Saiyajin wrote:
The gr wrote:Can we all agree with something,screw v jump with that monthly schedule
I don't understand why they do not move DBS to weekly shonen jump, even if it's give small chapters, it will be more pages than a monthly publication.
Honestly I wouldn't have mind if we have two chapter per month because I'm in for that,like two 39 pages chapter per month is a great idea
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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:17 pm

The gr wrote:Can we all agree with something,screw v jump with that monthly schedule
Yeah, I'm not a fan. However, it seems necessary at the moment, especially now that we know Toyotaro is responsible for designing some of the new characters. Toyotaro, despite being behind, is doing well at the moment, and I'm fine with it.
Dai-Saiyajin wrote:I don't understand why they do not move DBS to weekly shonen jump, even if it's give small chapters, it will be more pages than a monthly publication.
If Toriyama were writing the manga, it would be. He isn't. At the end of the day, Toyotaro is, for all intents and purposes, a gimmick. You don't get into Shonen Jump by being a blatant imitation. Also, when this manga started, it was just an abridged version of the anime, mostly used for revealing spoilers. V-Jump was the proper place for it at the time. Little did anyone know that once it fell behind, it would evolve into a product of its own.
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Post by Dai-Saiyajin » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:18 pm

The gr wrote:
Dai-Saiyajin wrote:
The gr wrote:Can we all agree with something,screw v jump with that monthly schedule
I don't understand why they do not move DBS to weekly shonen jump, even if it's give small chapters, it will be more pages than a monthly publication.
Honestly I wouldn't have mind if we have two chapter per month because I'm in for that,like two 39 pages chapter is a great idea
Exactly, if V-Jump release 2 chapters/month until it catches (and surpasses a bit) the anime and then return to the normal 1 chapter/month (to give Toyotaro some breath). :D

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Post by The gr » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:23 pm

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
The gr wrote:Can we all agree with something,screw v jump with that monthly schedule
Yeah, I'm not a fan. However, it seems necessary at the moment, especially now that we know Toyotaro is responsible for designing some of the new characters. Toyotaro, despite being behind, is doing well at the moment, and I'm fine with it.
Dai-Saiyajin wrote:I don't understand why they do not move DBS to weekly shonen jump, even if it's give small chapters, it will be more pages than a monthly publication.
If Toriyama were writing the manga, it would be. He isn't. At the end of the day, Toyotaro is, for all intents and purposes, a gimmick. You don't get into Shonen Jump by being a blatant imitation. Also, when this manga started, it was just an abridged version of the anime, mostly used for revealing spoilers. V-Jump was the proper place for it at the time. Little did anyone know that once it fell behind, it would evolve into a product of its own.
:clap: what are you trying to say because manga went behind,it receives a massive zenkai of quality,well at the end of day as long as toyble is drawing story boards for the universe survival arc and drawing new character design ,then I'm fine with the Goku black being behind and having more chapter, instead of being a souless rush job
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Post by nato25 » Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:02 am

yeah I'm all for quality over rushing. Why does it matter if the manga or the anime is in front? Both adaptations are using the same skeleton that Toriyama provided. You most likely just feel that way because you were used to the Manga revealing everything first. I'm keen to see how this plays out.

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Post by MyNiggaGoku » Sat Feb 18, 2017 2:10 am

The thing is,the manga being behind of the anime shouldn't have mattered from the very beginning.From the point where we knew that both mediums follow the same outline while they fill in the details we knew what we were going to get.As Jinzinongen Mule said,the manga started off as being exclusively a promotional thing but now that's not the case anymore.Yes the manga serves the purpose of promoting the anime but right now,we can see it evolved into a product on its own,judging from some huge differences the 2 versions have.I couldn't care less if the manga falls further behind of the anime,because that will consolidate the fact that we'll get a better product.As long as Toyo doesn't rush things,everything else is ok from my point of view.
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Post by mabalia » Sat Feb 18, 2017 7:40 am

HeroR wrote:
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But he watched the Tournament on GodTube, so we know that Zamasu saw their interaction. If Gods of Destruction were shocked and afraid with Goku and Zeno, Zamasu would be angered and revolted. I don't think the manga will mention this reflection from Zamasu, but we know that he's aware of Goku's "friendship" with Zeno.
As far as we know, he only watched Goku's fights. Goku's interaction with Zen'o is not touched upon.
Hum, no. Zamasu is obsessed over Goku, he asked Zuno everything about Goku besides the super dragon balls in chapter 18. That same chapter told us that Zamasu knew of super dragon balls because of the Tournament too. We don't have info that the transmission of the Tournament on GodTube was interrupted after Zeno arrived, so there's no reason for Zamasu not to watch the interaction between Goku and Zeno (and even if for a strange reason Zamasu didn't want to watch this, Zuno could tell him about this after he asked information about Goku).

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Post by Basako » Sat Feb 18, 2017 9:00 am

mabalia wrote:
HeroR wrote:
mabalia wrote:
But he watched the Tournament on GodTube, so we know that Zamasu saw their interaction. If Gods of Destruction were shocked and afraid with Goku and Zeno, Zamasu would be angered and revolted. I don't think the manga will mention this reflection from Zamasu, but we know that he's aware of Goku's "friendship" with Zeno.
As far as we know, he only watched Goku's fights. Goku's interaction with Zen'o is not touched upon.
Hum, no. Zamasu is obsessed over Goku, he asked Zuno everything about Goku besides the super dragon balls in chapter 18. That same chapter told us that Zamasu knew of super dragon balls because of the Tournament too. We don't have info that the transmission of the Tournament on GodTube was interrupted after Zeno arrived, so there's no reason for Zamasu not to watch the interaction between Goku and Zeno (and even if for a strange reason Zamasu didn't want to watch this, Zuno could tell him about this after he asked information about Goku).
He also watched how they used the super dragon balls and Zeno appeared between the fight against Hit and that, so very likely he saw Zeno's appearance too.
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Post by dbgtFO » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:14 am

mabalia wrote:
HeroR wrote:
mabalia wrote:
But he watched the Tournament on GodTube, so we know that Zamasu saw their interaction. If Gods of Destruction were shocked and afraid with Goku and Zeno, Zamasu would be angered and revolted. I don't think the manga will mention this reflection from Zamasu, but we know that he's aware of Goku's "friendship" with Zeno.
As far as we know, he only watched Goku's fights. Goku's interaction with Zen'o is not touched upon.
Hum, no. Zamasu is obsessed over Goku, he asked Zuno everything about Goku besides the super dragon balls in chapter 18. That same chapter told us that Zamasu knew of super dragon balls because of the Tournament too. We don't have info that the transmission of the Tournament on GodTube was interrupted after Zeno arrived, so there's no reason for Zamasu not to watch the interaction between Goku and Zeno (and even if for a strange reason Zamasu didn't want to watch this, Zuno could tell him about this after he asked information about Goku).
We know for a fact he did see Zeno appear at the tournament. It's right there in chapter 17, so color me surprised that this is even a debate to begin with, when it's so easily verifiable.

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