"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[DBZ Macky]

As far as we know, he only watched Goku's fights. Goku's interaction with Zen'o is not touched upon.

Perhaps he searched for "Son Goku's best fight, no fillers". Obviously, by standard Kaio definition, anything that doesn't include throwing punches is "filler".

Though with all the clickbait on GodTube, I can see how some views-hungry channel could draw his attention. I can already imagine the title: "OMFG!! YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT THIS MORTAL SAID TO ZENO-SAMA!!1!".

Seriously though, if we believe that GodTube is at the very least similar to YouTube, then I can bet that Zamasu knew about Goku interacting with Zeno.

[Dai-Saiyajin]

yeah I'm all for quality over rushing. Why does it matter if the manga or the anime is in front? Both adaptations are using the same skeleton that Toriyama provided. You most likely just feel that way because you were used to the Manga revealing everything first. I'm keen to see how this plays out.

I'm not saying for rushing it, Toyotaro said that he already finished the Goku Black arc by october-november IIRC. Now, he probably already finished the 1st chapter of the next arc, maybe even two, it will be better if V-Jump release 2 chapters now in march and april for catch up the anime, being too behind is pointless, the ideal will be manga and anime starting and finishing together, at least for me.

[mabalia]

As far as we know, he only watched Goku's fights. Goku's interaction with Zen'o is not touched upon.

Hum, no. Zamasu is obsessed over Goku, he asked Zuno everything about Goku besides the super dragon balls in chapter 18. That same chapter told us that Zamasu knew of super dragon balls because of the Tournament too. We don't have info that the transmission of the Tournament on GodTube was interrupted after Zeno arrived, so there's no reason for Zamasu not to watch the interaction between Goku and Zeno (and even if for a strange reason Zamasu didn't want to watch this, Zuno could tell him about this after he asked information about Goku).

We know for a fact he did see Zeno appear at the tournament. It's right there in chapter 17, so color me surprised that this is even a debate to begin with, when it's so easily verifiable.

Yes, in chapter 17 Zamasu's watching Zeno in the tournament.
I had forgotten to check this chapter... I know Zamasu knew of Zeno and Goku, I just didn't remember well where I read it.

[OLKv3]

yeah I'm all for quality over rushing. Why does it matter if the manga or the anime is in front? Both adaptations are using the same skeleton that Toriyama provided. You most likely just feel that way because you were used to the Manga revealing everything first. I'm keen to see how this plays out.

I'm not saying for rushing it, Toyotaro said that he already finished the Goku Black arc by october-november IIRC. Now, he probably already finished the 1st chapter of the next arc, maybe even two, it will be better if V-Jump release 2 chapters now in march and april for catch up the anime, being too behind is pointless, the ideal will be manga and anime starting and finishing together, at least for me.

He never once said that. He just said he used to be the one receiving information from the anime staff, but now he's ahead and giving information to the anime staff. And that's clearly happening since he's designing characters for the current arc.
Also, the anime and manga didn't start together. The manga was first, the anime started later. It's a supplementary manga that became it's own thing with this arc. As Shueisha stated in their interview about the Dragon Ball room, the anime is the big deal, while the manga is the version that's mostly the original story from Toriyama. So they both have their place. See the main show, then see what the story was like with minimal changes

[Jinzoningen MULE]

...the anime is the big deal, while the manga is the version that's mostly the original story from Toriyama.

Pretty sure that was never said either, not that it matters.

[OLKv3]

...the anime is the big deal, while the manga is the version that's mostly the original story from Toriyama.

Pretty sure that was never said either, not that it matters.

It was. It was called "the original story as overseen by Toriyama"

[Jinzoningen MULE]

...the anime is the big deal, while the manga is the version that's mostly the original story from Toriyama.

Pretty sure that was never said either, not that it matters.

It was. It was called "the original story as overseen by Toriyama"

Could you link that? I doubt it has the implication you're giving it in-context.

[OLKv3]

Pretty sure that was never said either, not that it matters.

It was. It was called "the original story as overseen by Toriyama"

Could you link that? I doubt it has the implication you're giving it in-context.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2016/10/14/sh ... e-content/

Although the Dragon Ball Room falls under the umbrella of the rights division, its section chief Akio Iyoku also serves as editor-in-chief of V-Jump, where the Dragon Ball Super manga (the original story of which is overseen by Toriyama) is serialized.

No idea why people always try to fight this as if it's some insult to the anime. It's right there, along with Toyo's repeated comments of sticking very close to the script and getting his stuff looked over by Toriyama. He's a stickler to his script with few original ideas until he's told to include them

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Although the Dragon Ball Room falls under the umbrella of the rights division, its section chief Akio Iyoku also serves as editor-in-chief of V-Jump, where the Dragon Ball Super manga (the original story of which is overseen by Toriyama) is serialized.

No idea why people always try to fight this as if it's some insult to the anime. It's right there, along with Toyo's repeated comments of sticking very close to the script and getting his stuff looked over by Toriyama. He's a stickler to his script with few original ideas until he's told to include them

I don't care which is more original, but you're tacking on extra implications. Maybe English isn't your first language, though, so I'm not getting annoyed.

When they say "...where the Dragon Ball Super manga (the original story of which is overseen by Toriyama) is serialized.", all that means is that they publish a manga based on Toriyama's story. You're interpreting it as if the parenthesis weren't there, in which case it reads "...where the Dragon Ball Super manga, the original story, of which is overseen by Toriyama, is serialized."

It's an honest mistake, I'm sure, but this, like I suspected, does not say that the manga is closer to Toriyama's original draft (even though it probably is, since time constraints leave less time for elaboration, interpretation, etc.).

[mfwlegend3]

I would like to add that Toyotaro, in a short message during the release of Vol 2, revealed that the difference between the anime and manga was because Toriyama is handling the main story of the manga.

Source: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2016/11/30/dr ... o-comment/
It wasn't until an interview during the release of Vol 1. that Toriyama encouraged Toyotaro to do his own ideas aside from simply illustrating Toriyama's vision for the story.
Also, below is a gag panel which was sketched out by Toriyama for the manga and was simply drawn over by Toyotaro.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I would like to add that Toyotaro, in a short message during the release of Vol 2, revealed that the difference between the anime and manga was because Toriyama is handling the main story of the manga.

Not the case. It was revealed that Toriyama corrects Toyotaro's drafts, we still don't know the anime process. Even if Toriyama doesn't contact them other than to give drafts, it doesn't imply that one follows more closely than the other. At best, it means that the manga is closer to his vision, but that doesn't actually mean much. Remember, Toyotaro is the one filling in these blanks, not Toriyama. Approval is not the same as authorization.

[mfwlegend3]

we still don't know the anime process.

We do. Toriyama confirmed in an interview how the exchange of notes between himself and the anime adaptation team goes. He simply hands them the drafts, and they change things around while also adding in stuff of their own. Sometimes even removing crucial stuff like Black originally having SS before SSR, which the anime ignored but the manga followed.

I write an outline of the entire plot, then the script writers break it up into episodes, expanding on things, changing things around, or adding in new bits as need be.

Source: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2016/05/09/fu ... all-super/

[Freeza9000]

The amount of leaks jeeezzz: https://twitter.com/white4517

[The gr]

Toyotaro is a troll and a genius [spoiler][/spoiler]I love seeing zamasu and goku black [spoiler][/spoiler] and thank to white45 for uploading this https://mobile.twitter.com/white4517

[Freeza9000]

It seems like Present Gowasu was the one murdered then........
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[The gr]

And this is how trunks escaped from Goku black [spoiler] https://mobile.twitter.com/white4517 and RIP present gowasu ,so the u10 god of destruction died from the present[/spoiler]

[Doctor.]

So why didn't Zamasu and Black just follow Shin and Gowasu?

[Lord Beerus]

And this is how trunks escaped from Goku black [spoiler] https://mobile.twitter.com/white4517 and RIP present gowasu [/spoiler]

Wait, what happened? I'm confused. Also, damn shame Gowasu kicked the bucket. But if that's the case shouldn't the Hakaishin of U10 be dead?

[The gr]

And this is how trunks escaped from Goku black [spoiler] https://mobile.twitter.com/white4517 and RIP present gowasu [/spoiler]

Wait, what happened? I'm confused. Also, damn shame Gowasu kicked the bucket. But if that's the, case shouldn't the Hakaishin of U10 be dead?

Let's wait for the translation Doctor and Lord beerus, and man gowasu didn't deserve this, and goku black and zamasu use the super Buu human Extinction attack

[OLKv3]

So why didn't Zamasu and Black just follow Shin and Gowasu?

They escaped to the past. Black can't follow because he'd just return to HIS past, and not Gowasu's past.

And this is how trunks escaped from Goku black [spoiler] https://mobile.twitter.com/white4517 and RIP present gowasu [/spoiler]

Wait, what happened? I'm confused. Also, damn shame Gowasu kicked the bucket. But if that's the, case shouldn't the Hakaishin of U10 be dead?

Some time shenanigans and dragon balls will probably fix that. Also, according to Herms, the link between timelines is closing, Goku and crew can only travel to Trunks' world one more time before the link is completely closed.