Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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by namekiansaiyan » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:53 am
dragonballgeek wrote:
I think it's been implied the ENTIRE Dragon Ball series that Gohan is special. It just so happens that he doesn't really have a desire to use that gift. So if the writers decide that they're going to throw him back in there, you're going to get over it and watch the show anyways.
There are plenty of shows out there where a strong and talented fighter doesn't have the desire to fight, so why is he out of place for this???
Does not deserve it, simple as that.
Has Gohan even had a fight where he is not angry or just overpowers the opponent. How is that good for an for a show? His 'special' power is just an easy way out for Toriyama or Toei.
If Toriyama makes Gohan have a big role while the non-saiyans don't I will not get over it and will just play the video games where I can actually have the others fight.
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by perucho1990 » Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:13 am
New_Guy wrote:Hmm... Since this tournament involves all of the universes, I wonder if the audiences will be able to view it on Kami Tube back on their respective universes or planets. If so then it's quite obvious where Dr. Myuu got his idea to create "Hakaishin no Lood". I could be thinking too deep into it but if that is by any chance a little GT foreshadowing, that would be pretty damn dope.
Well some fans are thinking Goku might unlock SSJ4 because of his smile in the OP, which they imply look similar when he smiles in SSJ4 form.
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by Luso Saiyan » Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:15 am
perucho1990 wrote:Well some fans are thinking Goku might unlock SSJ4 because of his smile in the OP, which they imply look similar when he smiles in SSJ4 form.
Fandom and irrational confirmation bias, nothing to see here...
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by MathSSJ » Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:45 am
dragonballgeek wrote:I think it's been implied the ENTIRE Dragon Ball series that Gohan is special.
3 (he was irrelevant in the Freeza arc) out of 10 story arcs are not the entirety of Dragon Ball. Hell, Gohan didn't even
exist for 6 of them.
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by dragonballgeek » Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:56 am
MathSSJ wrote:dragonballgeek wrote:I think it's been implied the ENTIRE Dragon Ball series that Gohan is special.
3 (he was irrelevant in the Freeza arc) out of 10 story arcs are not the entirety of Dragon Ball. Hell, Gohan didn't even
exist for 6 of them.
He was irrelevant..? Straight up false. He was constantly surprising everyone with his strength on Namek. He probably got some of the best hits on Frieza passing up a beaten up Piccolo (who couldn't even mess with Freeza's third form) Not to mention he knocked out Raditz pretty hard. The only times Gohan was irrelevant was the beginning of android saga and Trunks saga (and saiyan saga). Everything else he has played a big role. I'm not even bringing up Super. I'm talking about Z, before his character got shafted.
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by Jinzoningen MULE » Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:05 pm
MathSSJ wrote:dragonballgeek wrote:I think it's been implied the ENTIRE Dragon Ball series that Gohan is special.
3 (he was irrelevant in the Freeza arc) out of 10 story arcs are not the entirety of Dragon Ball. Hell, Gohan didn't even
exist for 6 of them.
He still showed enormous potential in the Freeza Arc, Toriyama make it a point to highlight that many times.
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by Ki Breaker » Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:26 pm
perucho1990 wrote:
Your Avatar Pic, would be the perfect image if Gohan gets SSJ Ikari combined with Mystic form.
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by perucho1990 » Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:40 pm
lol but the only way Gohan can surpass Goku again is if he gets SSJ Ikari, and Toei is hyping Gohan that he will be stronger than Goku again.
BTW since Helles likes anything that is beautiful, what are the chances she falls in love with Goku?

, recycling the Princess Snake stuff u know.
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by kinisking » Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:52 pm
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:MathSSJ wrote:dragonballgeek wrote:I think it's been implied the ENTIRE Dragon Ball series that Gohan is special.
3 (he was irrelevant in the Freeza arc) out of 10 story arcs are not the entirety of Dragon Ball. Hell, Gohan didn't even
exist for 6 of them.
He still showed enormous potential in the Freeza Arc, Toriyama make it a point to highlight that many times.
He wasn't even irrelevant. Gohan, Krillin, and Vegeta were the main 3 until Goku arrived. Heck, he was the one who lead to Dende being saved, which even now has had a lasting impact.
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by TheMathemagician » Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:00 pm
perucho1990 wrote:lol but the only way Gohan can surpass Goku again is if he gets SSJ Ikari, and Toei is hyping Gohan that he will be stronger than Goku again.
BTW since Helles likes anything that is beautiful, what are the chances she falls in love with Goku?

, recycling the Princess Snake stuff u know.
They're not really hyping him up to be stronger than Goku though, at least it didn't appear like that to me. It just seems more like they're hyping him up to be stronger than he's ever been before. As for your question, it's possible, in-universe, Goku is a pretty handsome guy.
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by dragonballgeek » Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:12 pm
kinisking wrote:Jinzoningen MULE wrote:MathSSJ wrote:
3 (he was irrelevant in the Freeza arc) out of 10 story arcs are not the entirety of Dragon Ball. Hell, Gohan didn't even exist for 6 of them.
He still showed enormous potential in the Freeza Arc, Toriyama make it a point to highlight that many times.
He wasn't even irrelevant. Gohan, Krillin, and Vegeta were the main 3 until Goku arrived. Heck, he was the one who lead to Dende being saved, which even now has had a lasting impact.
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed. Gohan has been foreshadowed many times throughout the series. He wasn't just something they pulled out their butts.
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by kinisking » Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:40 pm
TheMathemagician wrote:perucho1990 wrote:lol but the only way Gohan can surpass Goku again is if he gets SSJ Ikari, and Toei is hyping Gohan that he will be stronger than Goku again.
BTW since Helles likes anything that is beautiful, what are the chances she falls in love with Goku?

, recycling the Princess Snake stuff u know.
They're not really hyping him up to be stronger than Goku though, at least it didn't appear like that to me. It just seems more like they're hyping him up to be stronger than he's ever been before. As for your question, it's possible, in-universe, Goku is a pretty handsome guy.
Yeah, I don't think they're hyping him up to be stronger than Goku. I think they're just saying hes getting back to the level that used to be stronger than Goku. Although, this makes it extremely clear that Gohan > Goku in the boo saga strength wise (yes, that needs to be proven to some people ).
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by SansrivaaL » Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:41 pm
perucho1990 wrote:lol but the only way Gohan can surpass Goku again is if he gets SSJ Ikari, and Toei is hyping Gohan that he will be stronger than Goku again.
BTW since Helles likes anything that is beautiful, what are the chances she falls in love with Goku?

, recycling the Princess Snake stuff u know.
Doubt they were hyping Gohan becoming stronger than Goku, they just mentioned that he'll return back to his state when he was stronger than Goku, if they were hyping it they'd be more literal "The Gohan of old who will again surpass his father" or something like that.
No I dont see Helles falling for Goku, for Gohan tho yes, dude got a smooch from an idol while she knew full well he was married, you dont top that in DB

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by Jinzoningen MULE » Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:45 pm
I want Gohan to surpass Goku in this arc (with no extra training) just to see the power scaling crowd lose their fucking minds!
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by Ki Breaker » Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:56 pm
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:I want Gohan to surpass Goku in this arc (with no extra training)
Why not berrus?

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by kinisking » Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:58 pm
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:I want Gohan to surpass Goku in this arc (with no extra training) just to see the power scaling crowd lose their fucking minds!
Thats the only thing that could completely ruin Gohan for me. I'm not a huge power levels guy but I want some god damn consistency.
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by Ki Breaker » Sat Feb 18, 2017 2:03 pm
kinisking wrote:Jinzoningen MULE wrote:I want Gohan to surpass Goku in this arc (with no extra training) just to see the power scaling crowd lose their fucking minds!
Thats the only thing that could completely ruin Gohan for me. I'm not a huge power levels guy but I want some god damn consistency.
You know it won't
completely ruin him for long..
Especially since he will lose the power in a day without training, happens with him
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by TheMathemagician » Sat Feb 18, 2017 2:36 pm
kinisking wrote:TheMathemagician wrote:perucho1990 wrote:lol but the only way Gohan can surpass Goku again is if he gets SSJ Ikari, and Toei is hyping Gohan that he will be stronger than Goku again.
BTW since Helles likes anything that is beautiful, what are the chances she falls in love with Goku?

, recycling the Princess Snake stuff u know.
They're not really hyping him up to be stronger than Goku though, at least it didn't appear like that to me. It just seems more like they're hyping him up to be stronger than he's ever been before. As for your question, it's possible, in-universe, Goku is a pretty handsome guy.
Yeah, I don't think they're hyping him up to be stronger than Goku. I think they're just saying hes getting back to the level that used to be stronger than Goku. Although,
this makes it extremely clear that Gohan > Goku in the boo saga strength wise (yes, that needs to be proven to some people ).
They could be talking about Cell Games Gohan.

Lol, but yeah, this pretty much confirms that Boo Saga Gohan was stronger. I gotta agree with the whole consistency thing too. If that was to happen, I'd probably dislike Gohan.
SansrivaaL wrote:perucho1990 wrote:lol but the only way Gohan can surpass Goku again is if he gets SSJ Ikari, and Toei is hyping Gohan that he will be stronger than Goku again.
BTW since Helles likes anything that is beautiful, what are the chances she falls in love with Goku?

, recycling the Princess Snake stuff u know.
Doubt they were hyping Gohan becoming stronger than Goku, they just mentioned that he'll return back to his state when he was stronger than Goku, if they were hyping it they'd be more literal "The Gohan of old who will again surpass his father" or something like that.
No I dont see Helles falling for Goku, for Gohan tho yes, dude got a smooch from an idol while she knew full well he was married, you dont top that in DB

Unless you're Goku who gets to pull the stuff he did as a kid. Nothing tops that in DB.
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by Kishido » Sat Feb 18, 2017 2:46 pm
Again... Ikari would be perfect for Gohan and they could get a second chance of finally explaining it like it being the "god" transformations of hybrids or whatever.
But Mystic alone can't make Gohan even close to Blue or Ikari... But most likely TOEI will simply still do it cuz they do not care to tell a proper story like with Trunks
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by Ki Breaker » Sat Feb 18, 2017 2:53 pm
Kishido wrote:
But Mystic alone can't make Gohan even close to Blue or Ikari... But most likely TOEI will simply still do it cuz they do not care to tell a proper story like with Trunks
No way man, that would really break the scaling, officially too..
Ultimate Gohan was two shotted by berrus in bog, blue is exponentially more power than him..
Now if he takes blue level opponents on with just his mystic that would absolutely suck, the only reason I might enjoy it will be because it's Gohan..
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