Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Lord Beerus]

Not much to comment on. Majin Boo is far stronger than Basil even after the power up he got.

What Gohan says in the NEP, according to Herms:

Gohan: "I'll go next. I want you to see my current power."

The next episode is going to be very interesting. Especially if Lavenda is not stronger than Basil and Gohan still ends up losing against him even if he went Ulimate/Mystic in the fight. That would create a real shitstorm.

[Bullza]

New episode. Kinda played out as expected I guess.

Buu was stronger than Basil even after his power up but I don't think Basil would have been too far away, he seemed to be just as quick after all. I'm thinking the initial Basil could be around as strong as Buu saga SSJ Goku and then the powered up Basil would be around as strong as Buu saga SSJ2 Goku.

Lavender and Bergamo still seem to be confident, I expect Basil would be the weakest and Bergamo to be the strongest due to the order they're fighting in.

In the preview Lavender seems to be going at it with Base Gohan. Gohan does transform into a Super Saiyan and from the written preview he's going to turn into Ultimate Gohan so perhaps that puts Lavender in between those two forms.

[Zamasu55]

Okay, Basil's power level is pretty easy to tell.
Neither his base nor his powered-up form did anything to Buu. I also remind you that this is Mr. Buu, or Good Buu, whatever you want to call him, the weakest form of all, whom even Vegeta made fun of inside Super Buu's body.
If Mr. Buu is, I don't know, Ssj2 Majin Vegeta tier maybe? Either way, Basil's quite weaker than that.
I think he's probably around Perfect Cell's strength. Super Perfect Cell, on the other hand, stomps him in my opinion.

Basil (base) = Perfect Cell.
Basil (powered-up) > Perfect Cell.

Let'see what Lavenda does.

[Marlowe89]

Buu's victory was definitely expected here, and while Lavender and Bergamo are probably stronger than Basil I don't expect there to be some godly difference between the three. Interestingly, the upcoming fight might be more difficult to predict right now given Gohan's rather spotty performance recently.

At the same time though his hair wasn't quite as spiky as it should be so...

Goku's bangs are different in Super Saiyan 2. Black's hair was more in line with the first Super Saiyan stage.

[The gr]

Not much to comment on. Majin Boo is far stronger than Basil even after the power up he got.

What Gohan says in the NEP, according to Herms:

Gohan: "I'll go next. I want you to see my current power."

The next episode is going to be very interesting. Especially if Lavenda is not stronger than Basil and Gohan still ends up losing against him even if he went Ulimate/Mystic in the fight. That would create a real shitstorm.

Well maybe lavenda is going to win by techniques,I'm betting that he is going to torture gohan

I'm going to scale one of the U9 fighters, I will put basil at goku ssj2 Buu saga

[ZombieVito]

Unless Lavenda is many times stronger than Basil, the two base theory is pretty much the only way to make sense of things since base Gohan should be many times stronger than Boo if not using the theory.

[Lord Frieza]

I put Basil at about Perfect Cell and Dabura level, maybe a bit stronger.

[Bullza]

Well I'm expecting Bergamo to be stronger than Basil, he might not be ridiculousy more powerful but as the oldest brother and the one who is fighting last he likely will be. In the opening Goku is shown in Base form and getting the upper hand over him. Obviously as an opening it doesn't mean much but if it's like that in the show then every chance it shows Base Goku being above Buu or even Mystic Gohan. The latter would keep most of the consistency intact.

Piccolo being stronger than the Base Goku and Vegeta is looking ever more unlikely, thankfully.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Okay, Basil's power level is pretty easy to tell.
Neither his base nor his powered-up form did anything to Buu. I also remind you that this is Mr. Buu, or Good Buu, whatever you want to call him, the weakest form of all, whom even Vegeta made fun of inside Super Buu's body.
If Mr. Buu is, I don't know, Ssj2 Majin Vegeta tier maybe? Either way, Basil's quite weaker than that.
I think he's probably around Perfect Cell's strength. Super Perfect Cell, on the other hand, stomps him in my opinion.

I'd like to question the idea that we can tell how strong Basil is by the fact that he didn't do anything to Buu. We know he's a lot weaker than Buu, and that he's strong enough to be in the Tournament of Power; thus, he's somewhere between Roshi and Buu, exclusive.
I'll admit I haven't seen it yet (the new episode isn't on Daisuki just yet), but from what you describe, I wouldn't want to give it a precise number if I didn't have to.

[Bullza]

After he bulked up he seemed to be having a good go of it against Buu when he was pretty serious. He was also battered around by Buu before he bulked up and stayed conscious from it so he couldn't be too far below.

Semi Perfect Cell blasted Android 16 once and he was done with.

[TheUltimateNinja]

If Goku isn't either Androids-Imperfect Cell level or God level in base I will shoot myself.

[pacz360]

Hmm basil should be buu sags ssj2 tier at least considering even buu said even he was strong before beating him.

[Lord Beerus]

If Goku isn't either Androids-Imperfect Cell level or God level in base I will shoot myself.

Goku can't be God level in his base form though. Especially if we're working under the assumption that SSJ Goku = SSJ Gohan.

[The gr]

I put Basil at about Perfect Cell and Dabura level, maybe a bit stronger.

Normal basil perfect cell tier meanwhile full power basil Vegeta ssj2 buu saga tier that form is stronger than teen Gohan ssj2 and super perfect cell, because honestly I'm having a hard time believing a full power basil is as strong as perfect cell

or unless I'm wrong here

[pacz360]

I put Basil at about Perfect Cell and Dabura level, maybe a bit stronger.

Normal basil perfect cell tier meanwhile full power basil Vegeta ssj2 buu saga tier that form is stronger than teen Gohan ssj2 and super perfect cell, because honestly I'm having a hard time believing a full power basil is as strong as perfect cell

or unless I'm wrong here

Nah your pretty miuch spot on here.

[precita]

I think you guys are overestimating Basil. Buu was not even slightly damaged or hurt at all. We had Majin Vegeta literally blow Buu up into pieces, Basil did not do that. We had Kid Buu wreck Fat Buu to the point where he looked tired and badly beaten.

I'd place him around Cell's level at best. Definitely below any of the main characters in the Buu arc.

[The gr]

I think you guys are overestimating Basil. Buu was not even slightly damaged or hurt at all. We had Majin Vegeta literally blow Buu up into pieces, Basil did not do that. We had Kid Buu wreck Fat Buu to the point where he looked tired and badly beaten.

I'd place him around Cell's level at best. Definitely below any of the main characters in the Buu arc.

But basil put a hole on Buu with a ki blast at his base form and his full power when he ate that fruit is not perfect cell tier

[precita]

I think you guys are overestimating Basil. Buu was not even slightly damaged or hurt at all. We had Majin Vegeta literally blow Buu up into pieces, Basil did not do that. We had Kid Buu wreck Fat Buu to the point where he looked tired and badly beaten.

I'd place him around Cell's level at best. Definitely below any of the main characters in the Buu arc.

But basil put a hole on Buu with a ki blast at his base form and his full power when he ate that fruit is not perfect cell tier

Does that really imply much though? I'm sure Cell or Dabura could have done that too. Buu regenerated easily, it's not like it hurt him.

[The gr]

I think you guys are overestimating Basil. Buu was not even slightly damaged or hurt at all. We had Majin Vegeta literally blow Buu up into pieces, Basil did not do that. We had Kid Buu wreck Fat Buu to the point where he looked tired and badly beaten.

I'd place him around Cell's level at best. Definitely below any of the main characters in the Buu arc.

But basil put a hole on Buu with a ki blast at his base form and his full power when he ate that fruit is not perfect cell tier

Does that really imply much though? I'm sure Cell or Dabura could have done that too. Buu regenerated easily, it's not like it hurt him.

Dabura did nothing to Buu if I remember he couldn't even touch him or put a hole on him with one of his ki attack so I think I did a miscalculation about basil base form

[pacz360]

I think you guys are overestimating Basil. Buu was not even slightly damaged or hurt at all. We had Majin Vegeta literally blow Buu up into pieces, Basil did not do that. We had Kid Buu wreck Fat Buu to the point where he looked tired and badly beaten.

I'd place him around Cell's level at best. Definitely below any of the main characters in the Buu arc.

How is he only perfect cell level at best? Buu even mentioned that the guy was strong so he has to be somewhere in the ssj2 tier bracket.