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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Mazingerdestro » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:34 pm

Pretty nice.
This arc definitely embraces what makes db, db.
Huge explosions, crazy villains, over the top battles.
There were not many akward moments and the episode was quite enjoyable.
The animation didn't go wild but it didn't look bad at all. Finally we are at that point were the art looks the same through the whole episode. No weird faces or body parts or anything. (ok there were few Tate jaws but whatever)
Overall another great episode for the new arc.

I kinda wish the battles could take longer and allow the viewer to feel the tension but super's pace is totally different from db and z.

I hope that the animation team continues to provide such great episodes!!!!!
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:39 pm

ArchedThunder wrote:Mix feelings about this one, first half was kinda meh, second half was solid and Tate's art was great in it, but he didn't really provide any great animation.

NEP looks pretty conservative.
Yeah, the first half of the episode was nothing special. But man, Tate really kicked it into second and third gear with the second half. He went all in.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by ArchedThunder » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:40 pm

Big staff list, definitely Wanpack, so I guess we are getting them 2 weeks in a row.
Also Yashima did some 2nd key animation this episode, wtf.
Two episode directors, two storyboarders and one of the directors was the first credited animator, that's kinda crazy.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Ajay » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:41 pm

Episode 79

Storyboard
Karasawa Kazuya Yamamoto Kiyosato

Episode director
Aoyama Hiroshi Yamaguchi Akio

Animation supervisor
Ono Tsutomu Sawaki Noborisa Tate Naoki

Key animator
Aoyama Hiroshi Ono Tsutomu Sawaki Noborisa Ohara Taiichiro Sin Yeong-sun Uchida Hiroyuki Lee Ung-jae Sugihara Shota Usami Shohei Makabe Tomoyuki Numata Hiroshi Akira Tate Naoki Toyomasu Takahiro Nikaido Atsushi Ooyama Yasuhiko Wakana Yoshinori Sasakado Nobuyoshi

2nd key animator
Yashima Yoshitaka Ishikawa Osamu Takamura Kaoru Yokoyama Miyuki Sato Tomoko Tsukino Mua Sugawara Rieko

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God, that feels so good after episode #72. Tate pops up in the second half and absolutely smashes it out of the park. I'm so happy. As I said on Twitter, I feel so vindicated. Surprisingly few corrections from Ide, too. Just nice and polished Tate! Not booru-worthy madness, but wasn't expecting that, anyway. One hell of a solid fight! Those effects were absolutely beautiful, and man, even looped animation looks interesting with Tate's movement behind it. Totally fanboying out over here.

Regarding Tsutomo Ono: turns out I messed up, and he's not from Wanpack - it's only Kinoshita from there. Ono's team consists of him, Ohara, Iizuka, and a few others. Well, according to the guy behind Animator's Corner. He messaged me letting me know my mistake. Just so happens that they've become a support group for Wanpack on Super, usually. So yeah, no Wanpack here. A lot of external studios, though. Damn.

Kinda blown away at that staff list. That doesn't exactly fill me with any hope with regards to the state of Super's production. Sigh. Whatever works, works.

That NEP seemed okay, but a bit of a let down after that fantastic second half this week. I didn't really get a good look at the character art, but the actual animation seemed a bit rough. Hopefully it turns out okay. I need me some good Gohan action.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Mazingerdestro » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:45 pm

The art in the preview looked pretty unique and I can't identify the animators. Do we know who are working on 80?

Also both 79 and 80 have the 3-4 frame back and forward punches and kicks. I see that they finally started using more db style type of scenes. Heck took them long and irTsuji also a great way to waste some episode time.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by ArchedThunder » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:46 pm

Ajay wrote:
Kinda blown away at that staff list. That doesn't exactly fill me with any hope with regards to the state of Super's production. Sigh. Whatever works, works.
As far as the key animators list goes I'm pretty sure there's lots of Wanpack on there, so the size make sense. Two storyboarders, two directors and three supervisors is a different story, but I guess it might have been done to get stuff done quicker.
Ajay wrote:That NEP seemed okay, but a bit of a let down after that fantastic second half this week. I didn't really get a good look at the character art, but the actual animation seemed a bit rough. Hopefully it turns out okay. I need me some good Gohan action.
From what I could tell the art was pretty good looking, but the action was 100% conservative.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by kinisking » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:47 pm

I wouldn't worry about the NEP, the NEP we got last week wasn't impressive either.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Mazingerdestro » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:49 pm

kinisking wrote:I wouldn't worry about the NEP, the NEP we got last week wasn't impressive either.
It's also spoiled the last scene of the episode :lol:

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:50 pm

kinisking wrote:I wouldn't worry about the NEP, the NEP we got last week wasn't impressive either.
Fair point. The NEP gave away nothing and yet this episode turned out really great in the action department when it needed to be.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Nekis13 » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:51 pm

I don't post in this thread but I really want to celebrate that Tate DELIVERED
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Ajay » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:52 pm

ArchedThunder wrote:As far as the key animators list goes I'm pretty sure there's lots of Wanpack on there, so the size make sense. Two storyboarders, two directors and three supervisors is a different story, but I guess it might have been done to get stuff done quicker.
As I said in my post, there's no Wanpack on this episode. There were three teams, which Toei separated in the credits layout: one from Ono, one from Tate, and one from Sawaki. I'll have to take a better look later and see where everyone's from.

The staff list makes sense given all that, but my point was more, "Oh god, it took this much to get the episode done!" Kinda crazy.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by ArchedThunder » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:54 pm

Mazingerdestro wrote:The art in the preview looked pretty unique and I can't identify the animators. Do we know who are working on 80?
Manabe and Kinoshita.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by kinisking » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:55 pm

The end of this episode was a post card memory right? We haven't had that since episode 12.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:59 pm

For some reason, I'm not really sold on the idea that the bloated staff list was just production fiber. There's no reason an episode like this should have such bloated credits unless they ran into snags along the way. The NEP didn't look like much either. Not the best news, but maybe it won't be a running trend!

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Gashif Aldi » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:59 pm

I felt Today's Tate episode is still pretty conservative. He only provided bit of animations. But, mostly corrections.

He is holding back right? Maybe 8-12 episodes later we could see him again? I'm predicting that we will get some Slice Of Life episode after the Zen Exhibition Match, about Android 17 and the others. Also for Bulla.

For the NEP, it's pretty normal. I hope they went full conservative until the real Tournament begin.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by JulieYBM » Sat Feb 18, 2017 9:00 pm

Ohara's connection must not be through any of the producers. I wish he would try to get in contact with them and work as an animation supervisor. If he was able to turn in a half episode twenty years ago he could probably do a solo episode. If him and Yashima do solo episodes--or just work together--the schedule would probably lighten a lot.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Archah » Sat Feb 18, 2017 9:08 pm

ArchedThunder wrote:As far as the key animators list goes I'm pretty sure there's lots of Wanpack on there, so the size make sense. Two storyboarders, two directors and three supervisors is a different story, but I guess it might have been done to get stuff done quicker..
Believe me, no Wanpack today. Big KA list doesn't mean Wanpack.
JulieYBM wrote:Ohara's connection must not be through any of the producers. I wish he would try to get in contact with them and work as an animation supervisor. If he was able to turn in a half episode twenty years ago he could probably do a solo episode.
He seems to be working under Ono supervision, so first we need to get rid of Ono =·P
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by kinisking » Sat Feb 18, 2017 9:10 pm

I really feel like the new directors are trying to make this much more like Z. Mr. Satan was bleeding, the filter and the repeated animation make me feel this way.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by JulieYBM » Sat Feb 18, 2017 9:14 pm

Archah wrote:He seems to be working under Ono supervision, so first we need to get rid of Ono =·P
It looks like it. With the speed Ohara used to have it'd be great if he could do a lot of cuts for Ono's episodes, then.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Hit!! » Sat Feb 18, 2017 9:49 pm

kinisking wrote:I really feel like the new directors are trying to make this much more like Z. Mr. Satan was bleeding, the filter and the repeated animation make me feel this way.
The filter looks like it's being changed for next episode.

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