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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by HybridSaiyan » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:29 am

iAnimationLover_ wrote:
HybridSaiyan wrote:Gohan looks off to me somehow.
How so?
Just something about his face.
The art just appears strange in the last moments of the episode.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Psykomatik » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:31 am

Well, they're following the character design. It's not because you're not seeing him as usual that it's off model, really.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by iAnimationLover_ » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:32 am

HybridSaiyan wrote:
iAnimationLover_ wrote:
HybridSaiyan wrote:Gohan looks off to me somehow.
How so?
Just something about his face.
The art just appears strange in the last moments of the episode.

Well the eyes are just a tad bit smaller and rounder, and tate gave him a "Half moon" nose. if i remember correctly

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Son Vegito » Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:09 am

SansrivaaL wrote:Its gonna be quite awkward watching Gohan fighting with a purple eye makeup. I wonder if they'll keep the changes in the NEP, looked brighter but with less saturation or something.
emperior wrote:This episode was solid, but I'm worried about NEP. It looks like the thicker lines effect is gone. I hope that's not the case and it will be added before the next episode airs.
Agreed. I'm absolutely digging the new style they are using for this arc. The thick outlines, the color filter etc.
I hope it gets fixed for the next episode. Also for conistency purposes ofcourse.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Mazingerdestro » Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:14 am

I have to admit the kick effects and aura on pre-super candy Basil looked amazing. The kicking style was literally Diamble Jumble on a Wolf. It's great to see animators using attacks that they drew for years.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by FortuneSSJ » Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:32 am

-Episode 79-

I won't forgive Tate's part in episode 72, but damn this episode was awesome!
Buu vs Basil is better animated and longer than most fights in Champa's tournament and this was just a exhibition match.

Even after getting new directors, it's good to see we keep having some blood when characters get hurt. Completely different from the first 37 episodes.

NEP looks too bright. I hope they work that out because right now I only have problems with the scenes taking place in Kaioshin's World, which in FT Trunks arc they already looked weird.

I'm not even gonna to worry about the big staff list. If the episode looks good then whatever, next!
A world without Dragon Ball is just boring.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by MarcBigleague » Sun Feb 19, 2017 3:13 pm

In my personal opinion the fight in episode 79 was better than most fights in Dragon Ball Z. In Dragon Ball Z most fights after Freeza arc are just random swinging of arms and legs and the occasional backflip that don't really serve any purpose other than "look these two characters are fighting". But I can't say this about Boo vs Basil (B VS B XD)

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by kinisking » Sun Feb 19, 2017 3:15 pm

MarcBigleague wrote:In my personal opinion the fight in episode 79 was better than most fights in Dragon Ball Z. In Dragon Ball Z most fights after Freeza arc are just random swinging of arms and legs and the occasional backflip that don't really serve any purpose other than "look these two characters are fighting". But I can't say this about Boo vs Basil (B VS B XD)
Eh, I completely disagree. There was tons of amazingly choreographed moments .
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Octorockandroll » Sun Feb 19, 2017 3:31 pm

kinisking wrote:
MarcBigleague wrote:In my personal opinion the fight in episode 79 was better than most fights in Dragon Ball Z. In Dragon Ball Z most fights after Freeza arc are just random swinging of arms and legs and the occasional backflip that don't really serve any purpose other than "look these two characters are fighting". But I can't say this about Boo vs Basil (B VS B XD)
Eh, I completely disagree. There was tons of amazingly choreographed moments .
Pretty much this. I think I speak for a great number of us when I say that some of the best fights in the series happened in the Cell and Buu sagas.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by MarcBigleague » Sun Feb 19, 2017 3:51 pm

Octorockandroll wrote:
kinisking wrote:
MarcBigleague wrote:In my personal opinion the fight in episode 79 was better than most fights in Dragon Ball Z. In Dragon Ball Z most fights after Freeza arc are just random swinging of arms and legs and the occasional backflip that don't really serve any purpose other than "look these two characters are fighting". But I can't say this about Boo vs Basil (B VS B XD)
Eh, I completely disagree. There was tons of amazingly choreographed moments .
Pretty much this. I think I speak for a great number of us when I say that some of the best fights in the series happened in the Cell and Buu sagas.
I could be wrong then

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by iAnimationLover_ » Sun Feb 19, 2017 4:16 pm

MarcBigleague wrote:
Octorockandroll wrote:
kinisking wrote: Eh, I completely disagree. There was tons of amazingly choreographed moments .
Pretty much this. I think I speak for a great number of us when I say that some of the best fights in the series happened in the Cell and Buu sagas.
I could be wrong then

Well, you have Goku vs Majin Vegeta, SSj3 Goku vs Kid buu, and a lot more that i dont feel like mentioning atm cause I'm tired and about to go to sleep :lol:

feel free to add to what i said

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Bansho64 » Sun Feb 19, 2017 4:18 pm

kinisking wrote:
MarcBigleague wrote:In my personal opinion the fight in episode 79 was better than most fights in Dragon Ball Z. In Dragon Ball Z most fights after Freeza arc are just random swinging of arms and legs and the occasional backflip that don't really serve any purpose other than "look these two characters are fighting". But I can't say this about Boo vs Basil (B VS B XD)
Eh, I completely disagree. There was tons of amazingly choreographed moments .
I vouch for this as well. I think there was tons of awesome stuff. Vegeta vs Kid Buu, Goku vs Cell, Goku vs Vegeta, Majin Vegeta vs Buu,etc. The list goes on.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Alee9977 » Sun Feb 19, 2017 4:36 pm

Saying this fight is above fights in Z is too much, but this fight could easily be on that level of fights but not better.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Mazingerdestro » Sun Feb 19, 2017 4:53 pm

MarcBigleague wrote:In my personal opinion the fight in episode 79 was better than most fights in Dragon Ball Z. In Dragon Ball Z most fights after Freeza arc are just random swinging of arms and legs and the occasional backflip that don't really serve any purpose other than "look these two characters are fighting". But I can't say this about Boo vs Basil (B VS B XD)
Yes and no.
Yes, the fight was interesting and had great choreography/storyboard and yes it was enjoyable, utilising looped frames, original attacks, and most of the classic tricks in the animation book to deliver an esthetically great battle.

No, none of the z battles were soulless. What made dbz iconic was the feelings these people generated even when they were silent. Frustration, enjoyment, anger, happiness etc. In buu saga most of the battles had that, such as Goku vs Majin Vegeta (two rivals that fought for different reasons, one to prove himself to the other and the other to test his skills), buu vs ssj3 (one wanted to have fun and the other was a in a hurry due to his form's limitations), Gotenks vs Majin Buu (Childish excitement vs craziness) Vegetto vs Majin Buu (Rivals putting aside their hatred and becoming one vs the ultimate creature) etc.

No, none of the z battles were boring but yes this battle was a step in the right direction. What the storyboard artist, the key animators, the supervisors etc did was FINALLY embrace what did db battles good. However, that doesn't mean that the battle was the best thing ever but due to the fact that till now super suffered in the visual department, your brain considered this visual "upgrade" as something marvelous. When you get nothing but mediocrity for a long time and at one point someone presents you something good, due to the difference in quality, you immediately consider it the best thing ever or at least something of pretty high quality.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by perucho1990 » Sun Feb 19, 2017 5:09 pm

But what was so good about Gotenks vs Buu? Its vastly overrated.

I only enjoyed Piccolo reactions, the fight dragged on and on, and only was a bit interesting when Gotenks was SSJ3, the humor was as dumb as most of the DBS comedy involving the Pilaf Gang.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by kinisking » Sun Feb 19, 2017 5:13 pm

perucho1990 wrote:But what was so good about Gotenks vs Buu? Its vastly overrated.

I only enjoyed Piccolo reactions, the fight dragged on and on, and only was a bit interesting when Gotenks was SSJ3, the humor was as dumb as most of the DBS comedy involving the Pilaf Gang.
Gotenks tricking Super boo with the Ghost kamikaze by using his childish nature is in my top 10 Dragonball moments. I loved how they all huddled together and acted like they were interested in something. Boo drinking the milk shake and just chilling was great too. It was an extremely entertaining fight imo.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Feb 19, 2017 5:29 pm

kinisking wrote:
perucho1990 wrote:But what was so good about Gotenks vs Buu? Its vastly overrated.

I only enjoyed Piccolo reactions, the fight dragged on and on, and only was a bit interesting when Gotenks was SSJ3, the humor was as dumb as most of the DBS comedy involving the Pilaf Gang.
Gotenks tricking Super boo with the Ghost kamikaze by using his childish nature is in my top 10 Dragonball moments. I loved how they all huddled together and acted like they were interested in something. Boo drinking the milk shake and just chilling was great too. It was an extremely entertaining fight imo.
Agreed, I don't like Gotenks as a character but he definitely brought a good energy to his battles and it helps that he's got a move set that doesn't begin and end with some variation of big fuck off laser blasts. His dynamic with Piccolo was also really great, so good that I'm shocked more stuff doesn't capitalize on it outside of the best DB fanfic ever: Who Wants To Be a Superhero.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by perucho1990 » Sun Feb 19, 2017 5:31 pm

Only because of Piccolo reactions, his best one was when he reacted after SSJ3 Gotenks opens a portal. Take out Piccolo out of the fight and it wouldnt be that enjoyable.

Gotenks was more retarded than DBS Goku and thats saying something :lol:

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by nite_jay » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:41 pm

Are we talking about actual animation quality anymore or just the content? This fight would've just normally been okay but I think Tate's effects elevate it to a higher tier than a lot of DB and DBZ fights.

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