"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[dbgtFO]

If the 3 years line is true, then Toyotaro should never have Trunks utter the line, that they need to return to the past of 17 years ago, because Trunks originally went back 20 years.
This is really one of those lack of attention to detail instances, that all started when Toriyama didn't make it clear, if Trunks actually had to wait the same amount of time, as Goku and co. had to train for the androids, so it wouldn't create a new timeline.
The Trunks side story didn't help by stating he had to go back 17 years, which is apparently how Toriyama remembers it, because that's the number that's been used ever since.

I guess you're right, but it's really not that big a deal. I don't know where Toyotaro got the notion to start making up a bunch of specific time travel shit, though.

It's not that I don't like it. I very much wanted this to be the case all along and blame Toriyama for not addressing these details.
The only thing that bothers me is as stated the deal about going back 17 years, when originally it was 20.
The only thing new is the deal about the link between timelines weakening, which of course seems like a hint to Trunks never returning again, but we'll see, if it's addressed before the arc concludes.

I definitely have doubts about that part being specifically something Toyotaro came up with. I don't expect him to make up that kind of stuff, that limits future stories, much like I doubted the guy from Universe 12 being a Toyotaro thing. Could be Toriyama background info for all we know.

[mfwlegend3]

So is Gowasu officially down for the count? I don't see him dying. If anything, he'll be brought back to the Kaioshin World before he dies and he'll be healed by Kibito. Seriously though, dumb move deciding to go to the future and attempt to reason with Black and Zamasu, assuming that's what happened. Haven't read the translations other than Black and Zamasu exterminating the rest of the humans on Earth.

[DainIronfoot]

So is Gowasu officially down for the count? I don't see him dying. If anything, he'll be brought back to the Kaioshin World before he dies and he'll be healed by Kibito. Seriously though, dumb move deciding to go to the future and attempt to reason with Black and Zamasu, assuming that's what happened. Haven't read the translations other than Black and Zamasu exterminating the rest of the humans on Earth.

I havent read the new pages since these images of the chapter were released, nor have i read them. If Gowasu dies again, that's going to be so stupid imo...leave my boy alone :[

[MyNiggaGoku]

I so wanna see Black Vs Trunks in that chapter!!I won't post my full opinions on the scans until we have the full chapter & its translations.The only thing I'll say is that I like what I see so far.

[Basako]

I'll make a review later, but just will say the three years difference has always been a confusing point for Toriyama. Go and check "Trunks the story" manga by Toriyama, he even wrote 17 there when the first time travel was 20 years.

First 20, second, third and fourth 17. The las two in this arc, one happening right now with Goku & Vegeta being the travellers.

Bulma says the machine can't be reset now. The thing is, we factually know it could be reset before, at least from the departure timeline, it was done by Trunks, also by Cell, by the way. I think Cell travelled 21 years to the past, as he arrived one year before Trunks the first time.

[Nejishiki]

Wasn't it only 8 months? Not sure, but I think this is a plot hole. Granted, minor one, but still.

Nowhere was it said to be 8 months, no.

I see, thanks for the correction.

The eight months for charging the time machine is cited in the original story.

Bluma: "Hey, Trunks!"
Bluma: "I've finally built enough power for a round trip in the time machine!!"
Trunks: "Really?!"
Bluma: "I can't even do a test run if it takes eight months to charge."
Bluma: "I'm pretty sure it'll take you there and back."
Bluma: "If my lab hadn't been destroyed, I could've made a better one, but...."
Trunks: "........"

[Grimlock]

by the way. I think Cell travelled 21 years to the past, as he arrived one year before Trunks the first time.

Cell traveled twenty-five years, the Cell we know comes from AGE 788 and arrived in AGE 763.

[Sandubadear]

by the way. I think Cell travelled 21 years to the past, as he arrived one year before Trunks the first time.

Cell traveled twenty-five years, the Cell we know comes from AGE 788 and arrived in AGE 763.

But that is ok because Cell created a different timeline. The only trouble really is Trunks and the first 20 years back trip.

[Noah]

But why would Rohsi need to be a practice dummy?

The turtle, dude. The actual animal living on the island, you know?

Well, Herms could just mention by its actual name: Umigame, it would avoid this confusion.

[Sandubadear]

But why would Rohsi need to be a practice dummy?

The turtle, dude. The actual animal living on the island, you know?

Well, Herms could just mention by its actual name: Umigame, it would avoid this confusion.

Umigame is just "sea turtle" in Japanese, it's not a name.

[OLKv3]

Are we not going to ever get Goku vs Black? This chapter builds up a Vegeta vs Black rematch and a Goku vs Zamasu rematch. And if we go by the anime, Goku vs Zamasu will lead to Merged Zamasu

[Doctor.]

Are we not going to ever get Goku vs Black? This chapter builds up a Vegeta vs Black rematch and a Goku vs Zamasu rematch. And if we go by the anime, Goku vs Zamasu will lead to Merged Zamasu

It's going to be very disappointing if we don't. At least let Goku and Vegeta exchange opponents for a short period of time like the anime did with Trunks and Goku vs Zamasu and Black.

[OLKv3]

Are we not going to ever get Goku vs Black? This chapter builds up a Vegeta vs Black rematch and a Goku vs Zamasu rematch. And if we go by the anime, Goku vs Zamasu will lead to Merged Zamasu

It's going to be very disappointing if we don't. At least let Goku and Vegeta exchange opponents for a short period of time like the anime did with Trunks and Goku vs Zamasu and Black.

That's another disappointment I have. In the anime, while the power scaling was out of whack, we did have some fun team up battles, 3vs2 and 1vs2, using team attacks and methods that we rarely see in DBZ. In the manga, we just had separate 1v1 fights. I really hope he changes this formula when they return to the future, instead of giving us more separate 1v1s.

[mfwlegend3]

That's my gripes with the recent chapters too. I miss the Black and Zamasu team battles. I didn't like how Goku was taken out last chapter. Simply held in place while Zamasu beat him to a pulp. I would have rather Zamasu held him in place for Black to fire his Kamehameha and severely injure Goku.

I suppose Toyotaro wanted to avoid doing the tag teams to prevent messing up the power scaling on Future Zamasu's end.

[sintzu]

Are we not going to ever get Goku vs Black? This chapter builds up a Vegeta vs Black rematch.

It's going to be very disappointing if we don't.

You have a little freedom to suggest changes to Toriyama's outline, so what's the biggest alteration you've made?

Fundamentally, I don't deviate from the major plotlines that Toriyama's laid down. As far as the plot getting from A to B, that's written as Toriyama lays down.

I think the reason we didn't see Goku fight Black 3 times and tag team him and Zamasu with Trunks is because it isn't in Toriyama's outline. Based on the manga up to chapter 20 it seems like Vegeta is the main character in Toriyama's outline but the anime for whatever reason decided to sideline him for most of the arc in favore of Goku and Trunks.

Full interview :

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interv ... ou/.107579

[The gr]

So in this chapter [spoiler]zamasu is afraid of Zeno presence, and he don't want to encounter him[/spoiler] that is very interesting,since In the anime he never mentions that

I seriously need a match between Goku vs goku black

[TheUltimateNinja]

Now that we have more info on this time travel matter, it seems to conflict with the original DB. Did Toyo screw up again?

[OLKv3]

Yeah I noticed that from Herm's translation, glad they mentioned him

[The gr]

Yeah I noticed that from Herm's translation, glad they mentioned him

[spoiler]is an ironic way too forshadowed zamasu/goku black death.[/spoiler]Time travel is really confusing in the DBS manga, thanks to this chapter,it raises more questions

[sintzu]

I seriously need a match between Goku vs goku black.

Toyotoro doesn't have much room to work with so if it wasn't in Toriyama's outline then I doubt we'll get it here.

Do you know where the current chapter ends and if the arc will be finiahed next month ?