"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Ki Breaker]

Gohan losing because Lavenda "cheated" wouldnt be bad, it still keeps Gohan being strong. U9 beng written as bunch of cowardly/cheating heels makes sense.

We all know he isn't strong.. Barely going SS is nothing spectacular in this scale of events
Also being stronger than a wolf who only fights with poison is nothing to be proud of either..

I would much rather have him either defeat the wolf or die trying

[GodKaio-Ken]

Well to be fair....poison is poison. No matter how strong he is the guy seems to be a master of poison the way Goku and Co are of martial arts.

I think it would be funny if Gohan wins...but Zeno is like "What do you mean 2 of 3? We want to see Son Goku fight!"

[dragonballgeek]

Nah. I highly doubt Gohan will lose. It'll be a 3 streak win.

Mostly because this'll make U7 the team to beat and watch out for. The other Dieties will realize that this team wasn't just a pushover. Also, guys like their supreme kai are the ones who usually get annihilated.

The thing that is worrysome is that while Lavenda says he might want to kill Gohan, is the match is under Zeno rules which is basically no rules at all.

I can see Rou helping Lavenda like he did with Basil by giving him the drug.

Gohan losing because Lavenda "cheated" wouldnt be bad, it still keeps Gohan being strong. U9 beng written as bunch of cowardly/cheating heels makes sense.

I know Lavenda wants to physically kill Gohan. He won't settle for anything less. Which is why I'm positive Gohan lives through this battle.


It can go several ways. Gohan barely wins, they draw or Goku steps in before Lavenda can give a finishing blow to give them an automatic loss. I doubt that Gohan dying from this will be the end result. Yeah there's always the possibility that they could use the Dragon Balls, but it'd just be completely unnecessary writing for him to die and be revived just to potentially die again in the tournament if U7 loses.

[dragonballgeek]

Gohan losing because Lavenda "cheated" wouldnt be bad, it still keeps Gohan being strong. U9 beng written as bunch of cowardly/cheating heels makes sense.

We all know he isn't strong.. Barely going SS is nothing spectacular in this scale of events
Also being stronger than a wolf who only fights with poison is nothing to be proud of either..

I would much rather have him either defeat the wolf or die trying

how could you possibly know that Gohan isn't strong? We saw him "barely" going super saiyan in the beginning to going there with ease when he sparred with Goku.


We don't see his day to day life. Maybe there's a reason Gohan wanted his dad to watch. To show that he's been starting his training back up and wants feedback to better himself.

[Ki Breaker]

Gohan losing because Lavenda "cheated" wouldnt be bad, it still keeps Gohan being strong. U9 beng written as bunch of cowardly/cheating heels makes sense.

We all know he isn't strong.. Barely going SS is nothing spectacular in this scale of events
Also being stronger than a wolf who only fights with poison is nothing to be proud of either..

I would much rather have him either defeat the wolf or die trying

how could you possibly know that Gohan isn't strong? We saw him "barely" going super saiyan in the beginning to going there with ease when he sparred with Goku.

We don't see his day to day life. Maybe there's a reason Gohan wanted his dad to watch. To show that he's been starting his training back up and wants feedback to better himself.

Alright, It's fully confirmed he is got strong as SS goku who didn't even need to go SS to fight freeza just by training with piccolo?

That's utterly ridiculous however you cut it, the best way to explain it is goku didn't use his full power against gohan..

Trust me I am all about gohan rivaling goku in power but that ain't the case here right now..

He is very weak when compared to other fighters who actually matter

[GodKaio-Ken]

We all know he isn't strong.. Barely going SS is nothing spectacular in this scale of events
Also being stronger than a wolf who only fights with poison is nothing to be proud of either..

I would much rather have him either defeat the wolf or die trying

how could you possibly know that Gohan isn't strong? We saw him "barely" going super saiyan in the beginning to going there with ease when he sparred with Goku.

We don't see his day to day life. Maybe there's a reason Gohan wanted his dad to watch. To show that he's been starting his training back up and wants feedback to better himself.

Alright, so gohan can now take on hit and frost absolutely fine right if he is so strong now?
It's fully confirmed he is got strong as SS goku who didn't even need to go SS to fight freeza just by training with piccolo?

That's utterly ridiculous however you cut it, the best way to explain it is goku didn't use his full power against gohan..

Trust me I am all about gohan rivaling goku in power but that ain't the case here right now..

He is very weak when compared to other fighters who actually matter

At very worst Gohan is the 4th strongest on the team.

1) Goku
2) Vegeta
3) Buu
4) Gohan

Again this is at worst in my eyes. I have no doubt he is stronger than Piccolo at this point. Of course he isn't going to beat Hit....Goku can't even do that easily. It doesn't make him weak. Hit is obviously one of the strongest in the 12 Universe.

[dragonballgeek]

We all know he isn't strong.. Barely going SS is nothing spectacular in this scale of events
Also being stronger than a wolf who only fights with poison is nothing to be proud of either..

I would much rather have him either defeat the wolf or die trying

how could you possibly know that Gohan isn't strong? We saw him "barely" going super saiyan in the beginning to going there with ease when he sparred with Goku.

We don't see his day to day life. Maybe there's a reason Gohan wanted his dad to watch. To show that he's been starting his training back up and wants feedback to better himself.

Alright, so gohan can now take on hit and frost absolutely fine right if he is so strong now?
It's fully confirmed he is got strong as SS goku who didn't even need to go SS to fight freeza just by training with piccolo?

That's utterly ridiculous however you cut it, the best way to explain it is goku didn't use his full power against gohan..

Trust me I am all about gohan rivaling goku in power but that ain't the case here right now..

He is very weak when compared to other fighters who actually matter

Gohans power skyrocketing in a short amount of time throughout the series is nothing new. It happened in the Cell Saga and Buu Saga especially. Going from getting smacked around by fat Buu to toying around with Super Buu.

Gohan has ALWAYS been an exceptional fighter with more talent than his father and Vegeta. Always catching the eyes of his enemies. This situation is no different.

Add: Gohan and Gokus training in the room of spirit and time comes to mind. Gohan went from not being able to transform (while his dad had this transformation for years) to being the one pushing HIM in the training within a years time. Do you not see how ridiculous your criticism is? If you're going to complain about Gohans power boost, then complain about the entire series. Not just this one time.

[Ki Breaker]

At very worst Gohan is the 4th strongest on the team.

1) Goku
2) Vegeta
3) Buu
4) Gohan

Again this is at worst in my eyes. I have no doubt he is stronger than Piccolo at this point. Of course he isn't going to beat Hit....Goku can't even do that easily. It doesn't make him weak. Hit is obviously one of the strongest in the 12 Universe.

Even if we do consider gohan to be the third strongest on the team, the ranking means jackshit when the first and second are in godly levels, literally..
The gap is so huge it's not even funny..

Gohans power skyrocketing in a short amount of time throughout the series is nothing new. It happened in the Cell Saga and Buu Saga especially. Going from getting smacked around by fat Buu to toying around with Super Buu.

Gohan has ALWAYS been an exceptional fighter with more talent than his father and Vegeta. Always catching the eyes of his enemies. This situation is no different.

You do realize that is a level of power goku entertained berrus with after he lost god?
Training with piccolo can't cut it...

Think about it for a sec, what is more possible, gohan getting as storng as SS goku who continued fighting berrus by training with piccolo or goku holding back in his sparring match..

[dragonballgeek]

Alright, so gohan can now take on hit and frost absolutely fine right if he is so strong now?
It's fully confirmed he is got strong as SS goku who didn't even need to go SS to fight freeza just by training with piccolo?

That's utterly ridiculous however you cut it, the best way to explain it is goku didn't use his full power against gohan..

Trust me I am all about gohan rivaling goku in power but that ain't the case here right now..

He is very weak when compared to other fighters who actually matter

At very worst Gohan is the 4th strongest on the team.

1) Goku
2) Vegeta
3) Buu
4) Gohan

Again this is at worst in my eyes. I have no doubt he is stronger than Piccolo at this point. Of course he isn't going to beat Hit....Goku can't even do that easily. It doesn't make him weak. Hit is obviously one of the strongest in the 12 Universe.

Even if we do consider gohan to be the third strongest on the team, the ranking means jackshit when the first and second are in godly levels, literally..
The gap is so huge it's not even funny..

Alright, so gohan can now take on hit and frost absolutely fine right if he is so strong now?
It's fully confirmed he is got strong as SS goku who didn't even need to go SS to fight freeza just by training with piccolo?

That's utterly ridiculous however you cut it, the best way to explain it is goku didn't use his full power against gohan..

Trust me I am all about gohan rivaling goku in power but that ain't the case here right now..

He is very weak when compared to other fighters who actually matter

Gohans power skyrocketing in a short amount of time throughout the series is nothing new. It happened in the Cell Saga and Buu Saga especially. Going from getting smacked around by fat Buu to toying around with Super Buu.

Gohan has ALWAYS been an exceptional fighter with more talent than his father and Vegeta. Always catching the eyes of his enemies. This situation is no different.

You do realize that is a level of power goku entertained berrus with after he lost god?
Training with piccolo can't cut it..

Yeah... Nobody said anything about keeping up with SSJB. You were complaining about SSJ form. You're talking about the kid who wasn't able to turn super saiyan at all, to passing his father up within a year.

[GodKaio-Ken]

Alright, so gohan can now take on hit and frost absolutely fine right if he is so strong now?
It's fully confirmed he is got strong as SS goku who didn't even need to go SS to fight freeza just by training with piccolo?

That's utterly ridiculous however you cut it, the best way to explain it is goku didn't use his full power against gohan..

Trust me I am all about gohan rivaling goku in power but that ain't the case here right now..

He is very weak when compared to other fighters who actually matter

At very worst Gohan is the 4th strongest on the team.

1) Goku
2) Vegeta
3) Buu
4) Gohan

Again this is at worst in my eyes. I have no doubt he is stronger than Piccolo at this point. Of course he isn't going to beat Hit....Goku can't even do that easily. It doesn't make him weak. Hit is obviously one of the strongest in the 12 Universe.

Even if we do consider gohan to be the third strongest on the team, the ranking means jackshit when the first and second are in godly levels, literally..
The gap is so huge it's not even funny..

Alright, so gohan can now take on hit and frost absolutely fine right if he is so strong now?
It's fully confirmed he is got strong as SS goku who didn't even need to go SS to fight freeza just by training with piccolo?

That's utterly ridiculous however you cut it, the best way to explain it is goku didn't use his full power against gohan..

Trust me I am all about gohan rivaling goku in power but that ain't the case here right now..

He is very weak when compared to other fighters who actually matter

Gohans power skyrocketing in a short amount of time throughout the series is nothing new. It happened in the Cell Saga and Buu Saga especially. Going from getting smacked around by fat Buu to toying around with Super Buu.

Gohan has ALWAYS been an exceptional fighter with more talent than his father and Vegeta. Always catching the eyes of his enemies. This situation is no different.

You do realize that is a level of power goku entertained berrus with after he lost god?
Training with piccolo can't cut it..

I'm not trying to say he is near their level yet. I'm just saying he isn't "weak". From the last two episodes it's pretty obvious that he's not out of his league overall and these are the so called strongest fighters in all 12 universe.

[Ki Breaker]

Yeah... Nobody said anything about keeping up with SSJB. You were complaining about SSJ form

I am still taking about SS, see my edit..
Goku was an SS when he faught berrus after he lost god..
and he trained for so long after that..

[SansrivaaL]

I can imagine what happens with Goku V Bergamo now, Goku uses a technique first and Bergamo copies it, Goku realizes that Bergamo can copy techniques, he then uses all his moves so that Bergamo can copy it (including Kaioken) so that he can enjoy the fight more. Still I dont see Goku losing, Zeno wont be satisfied with seeing his top entertainment bite the dust so easily, imagine Goku losing, Zeno will be pissed that Goku didnt deliver as he expected, he might even destroy Goku for disappointing him, more so now that the rules are basically "Until Zeno is contented/entertained enough, or your opponent cant fight anymore, you aint stopping." if this happened back then with Frost, Goku would have solo'd the whole U6.

[RehBeh]

I just hope Gohan's "Ultimate" state and him using SSJ will be addressed by the Elder Kaioshin.

[Lord Frieza]

I can imagine what happens with Goku V Bergamo now, Goku uses a technique first and Bergamo copies it, Goku realizes that Bergamo can copy techniques, he then uses all his moves so that Bergamo can copy it (including Kaioken) so that he can enjoy the fight more. Still I dont see Goku losing, Zeno wont be satisfied with seeing his top entertainment bite the dust so easily, imagine Goku losing, Zeno will be pissed that Goku didnt deliver as he expected, he might even destroy Goku for disappointing him, more so now that the rules are basically "Until Zeno is contented/entertained enough, or your opponent cant fight anymore, you aint stopping." if this happened back then with Frost, Goku would have solo'd the whole U6.

Thats likely...of course he may have other skill up his sleeve to, such as his brothers kicks and poison. Plus he may also get the drug power up to.

[SansrivaaL]

I can imagine what happens with Goku V Bergamo now, Goku uses a technique first and Bergamo copies it, Goku realizes that Bergamo can copy techniques, he then uses all his moves so that Bergamo can copy it (including Kaioken) so that he can enjoy the fight more. Still I dont see Goku losing, Zeno wont be satisfied with seeing his top entertainment bite the dust so easily, imagine Goku losing, Zeno will be pissed that Goku didnt deliver as he expected, he might even destroy Goku for disappointing him, more so now that the rules are basically "Until Zeno is contented/entertained enough, or your opponent cant fight anymore, you aint stopping." if this happened back then with Frost, Goku would have solo'd the whole U6.

Thats likely...of course he may have other skill up his sleeve to, such as his brothers kicks and poison. Plus he may also get the drug power up to.

As Goku always say "Dont think the same move will work on me" he just finished watching how they fought, that wont help him at least until he has "Plot technique" then Goku's done.

[dragonballgeek]

Yeah... Nobody said anything about keeping up with SSJB. You were complaining about SSJ form

I am still taking about SS, see my edit..
Goku was an SS when he faught berrus after he lost god..
and he trained for so long after that..

Goku also trained his entire life, just to get passed up by his barely teenage son what's the point? Everyone has different limits.

Gohans limit may not be Gokus limit. Same for Vegeta. Just because Goku took his entire life to get to this point doesn't mean that it'll take Gohan just as long. Different learning curves.

The show will be easier to watch for you if you just see it as Gohan being a prodigy who doesn't really want to use his gift.

[Ki Breaker]

As Goku always say "Dont think the same move will work on me" he just finished watching how they fought, that wont help him at least until Bergamo has "Plot technique" then Goku's done.

They have plot ki already, whopping a plot technique ain't a problem..

Yeah... Nobody said anything about keeping up with SSJB. You were complaining about SSJ form

I am still taking about SS, see my edit..
Goku was an SS when he faught berrus after he lost god..
and he trained for so long after that..

Goku also trained his entire life, just to get passed up by his barely teenage son what's the point? Everyone has different limits.

Gohans limit may not be Gokus limit. Same for Vegeta. Just because Goku took his entire life to get to this point doesn't mean that it'll take Gohan just as long. Different learning curves.

The show will be easier to watch for you if you just see it as Gohan being a prodigy who doesn't really want to use his gift.

We are actually going to argue if gohan is as strong as god absorbed SS by training with piccolo?

Well whatever floats your boat, it's blatantly obvious to me gohan dosen't have his fighting sense or his previous weaker than goku level of power back..

[Lord Frieza]

I can imagine what happens with Goku V Bergamo now, Goku uses a technique first and Bergamo copies it, Goku realizes that Bergamo can copy techniques, he then uses all his moves so that Bergamo can copy it (including Kaioken) so that he can enjoy the fight more. Still I dont see Goku losing, Zeno wont be satisfied with seeing his top entertainment bite the dust so easily, imagine Goku losing, Zeno will be pissed that Goku didnt deliver as he expected, he might even destroy Goku for disappointing him, more so now that the rules are basically "Until Zeno is contented/entertained enough, or your opponent cant fight anymore, you aint stopping." if this happened back then with Frost, Goku would have solo'd the whole U6.

Thats likely...of course he may have other skill up his sleeve to, such as his brothers kicks and poison. Plus he may also get the drug power up to.

As Goku always say "Dont think the same move will work on me" he just finished watching how they fought, that wont help him at least until Bergamo has "Plot technique" then Goku's done.

Copy cating moves only ever works in one of three ways. To catch your enemy of guard, if your as strong or stronger then your enemy or if you not only copy but also put your own spin on them.

If Bergamo is only copying and is not that strong then he's got no chance....however if he is strong then thats a whole other ball game. And if he can put his own spin on Goku's attacks......Poison Kamehameha! (maybe lol)

[SansrivaaL]

Thats likely...of course he may have other skill up his sleeve to, such as his brothers kicks and poison. Plus he may also get the drug power up to.

As Goku always say "Dont think the same move will work on me" he just finished watching how they fought, that wont help him at least until Bergamo has "Plot technique" then Goku's done.

Copy cating moves only ever works in one of three ways. To catch your enemy of guard, if your as strong or stronger then your enemy or if you not only copy but also put your own spin on them.

If Bergamo is only copying and is not that strong then he's got no chance....however if he is strong then thats a whole other ball game. And if he can put his own spin on Goku's attacks......Poison Kamehameha! (maybe lol)

Poison kamehame ha the wave is all green with smoke effects, that would be cool.
I just hope Goku isnt that naive to let his guard down against enemies he has no idea how powerful are because of using a different energy, he shoulda learned his lesson back when he fought Beerus the first time.

[dragonballgeek]

As Goku always say "Dont think the same move will work on me" he just finished watching how they fought, that wont help him at least until Bergamo has "Plot technique" then Goku's done.

They have plot ki already, whopping a plot technique ain't a problem..

I am still taking about SS, see my edit..
Goku was an SS when he faught berrus after he lost god..
and he trained for so long after that..

Goku also trained his entire life, just to get passed up by his barely teenage son what's the point? Everyone has different limits.

Gohans limit may not be Gokus limit. Same for Vegeta. Just because Goku took his entire life to get to this point doesn't mean that it'll take Gohan just as long. Different learning curves.

The show will be easier to watch for you if you just see it as Gohan being a prodigy who doesn't really want to use his gift.

We are actually going to argue if gohan is as strong as god absorbed SS by training with piccolo?

Well whatever floats your boat, it's blatantly obvious to me gohan dosen't have his fighting sense or his previous weaker than goku level of power back..

At the end of the day, you're going to keep complaining about a show you'll continue to watch.