"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[mfwlegend3]

but what happens if zamasu and goku black escapes right before Vegeta and goku arrives

Then it happens. But it's doubtful. Especially considering that Black and Zamasu, like in the anime, probably know that Goku and Vegeta will return.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Now that we have more info on this time travel matter, it seems to conflict with the original DB. Did Toyo screw up again?

Yes & no, Toriyama screwed up first. Toyotaro contradicts what was originally said in the manga, but the manga later contradicted itself, and Toyotaro is consistent with that...

[The gr]

This arc prove that toriyama, should never do time travel stories in the future.

[Freeza9000]

Any chance that this Universe 12 dude that first time traveled will be touched upon in the anime?

[TheUltimateNinja]

I hope someone important gets brutally murdered. Judging from the leaks it looks like Gowasu got merced but apparently he doesn't actually die.

[Sandubadear]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BQt_1N4jfLx/

Translations pls
Does he say anything interesting?

[Ikazvyr]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BQt_1N4jfLx/

Translations pls
Does he say anything interesting?

Nothing too relevant. Basically, telling people to buy this V-Jump issue and pointing those Gods of Destruction he did by himself

(Off-topic e irrelevante, mas tô de olho nesse Ranely Jr. na assinatura)

[Zamasu55]

Gowasu better not die.

[mfwlegend3]

What I can gather from these leaks, these events happen in chronological order:
[spoiler]Goku and Vegeta return to the past.

Bulma informs them that they would have to wait one day before returning to the future.

Goku decides to learn the mafuba while Vegeta trains solo in the RoSaT.

Goku meets up with Roshi.

In the future, Trunks is being mercilessly tortured by Black.

Right when Black is about to deliver the finishing blow, Gowasu and Shin intervene.

Black is shocked at Gowasu's sudden appearance.

Shin and Gowasu take Trunks and Mai to the Kaioshin World in the present.

Trunks and Mai are allowed to rest.

Meanwhile in the future, Black suggests that both he and Zamasu return to their cabin.

Black and Zamasu discuss their plans and Zamasu expresses how he wouldn't want Zen'o to find out about their deeds. He also would like to destroy all life on Earth before they move onto the next planet.

At the Kaioshin World in the present, Shin, Gowasu and co. find out that Zamasu and Black have begun their rampage in slaughtering the remaining life in the future.

Gowasu decides to head to the future himself to try and reason with Black and Zamasu, probably feeling a sense of responsibility.

Black and Zamasu arrive at this fortress that apparently holds the last of the life on Earth(?)

Zamasu goes inside while Black remains behind.

Gowasu reappears behind Black.

Both Black and Gowasu briefly discuss things as Gowasu attempts to talk some sense into his former apprentice.

At some point Trunks, Shin, and Mai return.

Zamasu is seen standing before Trunks, Shin, and Mai.

Black presumably kills/critically wounds Gowasu by stabbing him through his chest.

In the past, Vegeta finishes his training in the RoSaT.

Goku has also successfully mastered the mafuba.

Chapter ends.[/spoiler]

[MyNiggaGoku]

What I can gather from these leaks, these events happen in chronological order:
[spoiler]Goku and Vegeta return to the past.

Bulma informs them that they would have to wait one day before returning to the future.

Goku decides to learn the mafuba while Vegeta trains solo in the RoSaT.

Goku meets up with Roshi.

In the future, Trunks is being mercilessly tortured by Black.

Right when Black is about to deliver the finishing blow, Gowasu and Shin intervene.

Black is shocked at Gowasu's sudden appearance.

Shin and Gowasu take Trunks and Mai to the Kaioshin World in the present.

Trunks and Mai are allowed to rest.

Meanwhile in the future, Black suggests that both he and Zamasu return to their cabin.

Black and Zamasu discuss their plans and Zamasu expresses how he wouldn't want Zen'o to find out about their deeds. He also would like to destroy all life on Earth before they move onto the next planet.

At the Kaioshin World in the present, Shin, Gowasu and co. find out that Zamasu and Black have begun their rampage in slaughtering the remaining life in the future.

Gowasu decides to head to the future himself to try and reason with Black and Zamasu, probably feeling a sense of responsibility.

Black and Zamasu arrive at this fortress that apparently holds the last of the life on Earth(?)

Zamasu goes inside while Black remains behind.

Gowasu reappears behind Black.

Both Black and Gowasu briefly discuss things as Gowasu attempts to talk some sense into his former apprentice.

At some point Trunks, Shin, and Mai return.

Zamasu is seen standing before Trunks, Shin, and Mai.

Black presumably kills/critically wounds Gowasu by stabbing him through his chest.

In the past, Vegeta finishes his training in the RoSaT.

Goku has also successfully mastered the mafuba.

Chapter ends.[/spoiler]

Pretty much that.

[Noah]

Umigame is just "sea turtle" in Japanese, it's not a name.

And Gohan is just "rice" and we don't call him that way.

chapter 21 ends at when goku learn the mafuba, and I think we will have three or four more chapter for this arc

You're kidding? Four more chapters for the end of this arc? I think two more at least would be enough.

So it turns out Zamasu knows of the Zen'o after all then? I wonder how simply relocating to another planet would be of any help. It also makes Zamasu more of an idiot imo since I wonder how he thinks he's gonna get away with his plan for long and getting away with killing the rest of the gods.

Damn, didn't thought about that! This sure makes Zamasu looks like an idiot by knowing Zeno from the start...

Yes & no, Toriyama screwed up first. Toyotaro contradicts what was originally said in the manga, but the manga later contradicted itself, and Toyotaro is consistent with that...

How so? Black didn't met Goku in the present after all.

[ekrolo2]

Toyotoaro axed Ikari AND the Genki-Dama sword all in one chapter? Give this fucker a medal just for that.

It is a shame he seems to have botched the time travel thing. Bulma said in the Cell arc that you need 8 months to make the fuel, implying Trunks hauled ass to the past the second he could and not wait three years before doing that.

[mfwlegend3]

Mangastream has translate the chapter. I loved it. Really sent down a bundle of feels. Black was right though. He had done so much already, going back was no option, even if he wanted to. I think Gowasu understood that, but still had a lot of care for Zamasu.

Also, Goku expressing how sorry he was for leaving Trunks alone in the future to fend for himself was nicely done.

[mfwlegend3]

Toyotoaro axed Ikari AND the Genki-Dama sword all in one chapter? Give this fucker a medal just for that.

Since Zamasu just killed the last remaining traces of life on Earth, I really want to know how Merged Zamasu will be defeated. Future Zen'o is seen in the Universal Survival arc teaser, so that suggests he'll be involved somehow and Trunks' timeline might be destroyed.

[ekrolo2]

Mangastream has translate the chapter. I loved it. Really sent down a bundle of feels. Black was right though. He had done so much already, going back was no option, even if he wanted to. I think Gowasu understood that, but still had a lot of care for Zamasu.

Also, Goku expressing how sorry he was for leaving Trunks alone in the future to fend for himself was nicely done.

Goku apologizing was a damn good touch indeed. I also like that Toyotaro did a clever play on the whole "Goku left the Senzu behind!" thing by having him leave backup Senzu in case shit went south and they lost their main supply in the future.

[kinisking]

Mangastream has translate the chapter. I loved it. Really sent down a bundle of feels. Black was right though. He had done so much already, going back was no option, even if he wanted to. I think Gowasu understood that, but still had a lot of care for Zamasu.

Also, Goku expressing how sorry he was for leaving Trunks alone in the future to fend for himself was nicely done.

Goku apologizing was a damn good touch indeed. I also like that Toyotaro did a clever play on the whole "Goku left the Senzu behind!" thing by having him leave backup Senzu in case shit went south and they lost their main supply in the future.

Goku apologizing just felt like a rehash from when he left Gohan and Gotenks to die in the Boo saga though. He shouldn't even be apologizing since Future Trunks knew what needed to happen.

I wonder if Toriyamas outline just said "Goku leaves the senzu behind ". Toei made it out to be a stupid mistake, while Toyo made it pretty clever. Pretty interesting to see.

[ekrolo2]

Mangastream has translate the chapter. I loved it. Really sent down a bundle of feels. Black was right though. He had done so much already, going back was no option, even if he wanted to. I think Gowasu understood that, but still had a lot of care for Zamasu.

Also, Goku expressing how sorry he was for leaving Trunks alone in the future to fend for himself was nicely done.

Goku apologizing was a damn good touch indeed. I also like that Toyotaro did a clever play on the whole "Goku left the Senzu behind!" thing by having him leave backup Senzu in case shit went south and they lost their main supply in the future.

Goku apologizing just felt like a rehash from when he left Gohan and Gotenks to die in the Boo saga though. He shouldn't even be apologizing since Future Trunks knew what needed to happen.

I wonder if Toriyamas outline just said "Goku leaves the senzu behind ". Toei made it out to be a stupid mistake, while Toyo made it pretty clever. Pretty interesting to see.

Goku doesn't even apologize in the manga though, not like in the anime where they make a much bigger deal out of it.

[kinisking]

Goku apologizing was a damn good touch indeed. I also like that Toyotaro did a clever play on the whole "Goku left the Senzu behind!" thing by having him leave backup Senzu in case shit went south and they lost their main supply in the future.

Goku apologizing just felt like a rehash from when he left Gohan and Gotenks to die in the Boo saga though. He shouldn't even be apologizing since Future Trunks knew what needed to happen.

I wonder if Toriyamas outline just said "Goku leaves the senzu behind ". Toei made it out to be a stupid mistake, while Toyo made it pretty clever. Pretty interesting to see.

Goku doesn't even apologize in the manga though, not like in the anime where they make a much bigger deal out of it.

Well Toyo is a huge fan so I wouldn't be surprised if he took some heavy inspiration from that scene.

[mfwlegend3]

He shouldn't even be apologizing since Future Trunks knew what needed to happen.

He's apologizing because he understands Vegeta and Bulma's feelings. Vegeta was unconscious after his battle with Black, so he didn't know about the discussion that happened between Goku, Trunks, and Mai. Bulma told Trunks to return no matter the outcome of the battle. And seeing that not only did he not return, but was left with two people who defeated both her husband and Goku, must have really gotten to her.

[ekrolo2]

Well Toyo is a huge fan so I wouldn't be surprised if he took some heavy inspiration from that scene.

That is true, I don't mind Goku feeling guilty, given the fact he's such a nothing character in most of Super I'll take anything that makes him seem more of a person and not a 0 dimensional action figure.